What Is Sin?

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Sin also has deceitfulness...it is deceitful and tricks us.

Sin is an entity as well as W. E. Vine's pointed out.

( Think of it as a parasite that is in our flesh which is why the Holy Spirit sealed us in Christ by cutting away the inner man in Christ from the body of flesh. - also called the circumcision of the heart and of Christ. - Col.2:11 )

Here is what Vine's describes this "law of sin" that is in the flesh - acting through the members of our body when we yield to it.

"a governing principle or power, e.g.,
Rom. 6:6; "(the body) of sin," here "sin" is spoken of as an organized power, acting through the members of the body, "

Vine's Expository Dictionary of Old Testament and New Testament Words.

 

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Sin also has deceitfulness...it is deceitful and tricks us.
Heb 3:13 . . But encourage one another day after day, as long as it is still
called "Today" lest any one of you be hardened by the deceitfulness of sin.

One of sin's dirty little tricks is human nature's propensity to assume that
doing what's natural can't possibly be wrong seeing as how that's the way
God made us.

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Amen...well said!

Either we pick the law of Moses and all it's consequences if we don't do all of it to live by or we live by the life of Christ that is in the true believer.
Why do you always bring up the law of MOSES ?
Don't you hear GOD ? HE gave the 10 Commandments BEFORE Moses was asked to re-iterate them....and why was that ? because the people refused to hear GOD anymore Ex 20v19.
Did JESUS refuse to hear His Father and disregard His Commandments ? of course not, Jesus kept His Fathers Com while He lived as a man on earth, and also said He did not come to abolish the law/Commandments. Jesus DID however 'abolish the law contained in ordinances Eph 2v15, which were a different set of commandments/law from the 10 that GOD personally gave to the people Ex 20v10; Deut 5v22.
We are to 'put difference between holy and unholy Lev 10v10. Because people don't do so we get all the commandments lumped together and abolished---that is WRONG !
 

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Heb 3:13 . . But encourage one another day after day, as long as it is still
called "Today" lest any one of you be hardened by the deceitfulness of sin.

One of sin's dirty little tricks is human nature's propensity to assume that
doing what's natural can't possibly be wrong seeing as how that's the way
God made us.

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People may well reason like that but is not true---God did not make us 'deceitful, OR to rely on our own understanding. We are to submit to Him in all things starting at the bottom - and HE will lift us up. But you are right - human nature will kill us if we don't TAME it !
 

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Sin is disobedience to God.......... Whether we do something he forbids, or fail to do something he requires.. Sin is anything outside of the righteousness of God.
 

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It's not that the Law is dead, it's that we are dead to the Law.

“For through the Law I died to the Law so that I might live for God." Gal. 2:19
We also need to know WHICH law we are dead to for not all laws were abolished by Christ. He died to/abolished in His flesh 'the law of commandments contained in ordinances/works' Eph 2v15.
And thus we are dead to Moses law which referred to all the physical 'works.
The spiritual Commandments which are eternal,holy,just and good (love God and neighbour) have never been abolished and never will be. Jesus Himself upheld and taught them in a loving and compassionate way.
 

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Sin is disobedience to God.......... Whether we do something he forbids, or fail to do something he requires.. Sin is anything outside of the righteousness of God.
Seems people take offence when God tells them what they should do - that is why they reject the 10 Commandments. People want to CHOOSE for themselves what they want to do-or not do----that is very evident in our age and is actually contrary to scripture.
They completely forget they are hoping to live eternally with God. Is going against God the right way to achieve that hope ?
 
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Why do you always bring up the law of MOSES ?
Don't you hear GOD ? HE gave the 10 Commandments BEFORE Moses was asked to re-iterate them....and why was that ? because the people refused to hear GOD anymore Ex 20v19.
Did JESUS refuse to hear His Father and disregard His Commandments ? of course not, Jesus kept His Fathers Com while He lived as a man on earth, and also said He did not come to abolish the law/Commandments. Jesus DID however 'abolish the law contained in ordinances Eph 2v15, which were a different set of commandments/law from the 10 that GOD personally gave to the people Ex 20v10; Deut 5v22.
We are to 'put difference between holy and unholy Lev 10v10. Because people don't do so we get all the commandments lumped together and abolished---that is WRONG !
We don't live by the 10 commandments now which is the law of Moses - we live by Christ Himself in us.

Until people understand that - we are exchanging Christ for a religion that has been made obsolete.

You are following a "shadow" instead of Christ within you. The law of Moses is good and holy within itself but it is not made for the righteous - we are the righteous in Christ. It's done it's job in the believer and brought them to Christ.
 
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The 10 commandments are a part of the law of Moses as is the sacrificing of the lamb by the high priest.

Paul himself said that coveting is the law. The law brought out the coveting that was in him. When we try to split up the law so that we can live by a set of rules including the 10 commandments - we are nullifying the grace of Christ in our lives. We live now by the law of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus.

The law of Moses was used by God to expose sin and to actually inflame it so that it would show up and sin would increase.

The law of Moses is a manifestation of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. We were not meant to eat from that tree - we are to eat from the tree of life - which is Christ Himself.

Here in Romans 7:7-8 is Paul showing that the 10 commandments are a part of the law of Moses. If we are going to live by the rules of the law including the 10 commandments then we need to do "all" of the law - including the temple sacrifices.

The law of the spirit of life in Christ in us will stop us from doing any harm. We can trust the Holy Spirit in us.

Romans 7:7-8 (NASB)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] What shall we say then? Is the Law sin? May it never be! On the contrary, I would not have come to know sin except through the Law; for I would not have known about coveting if the Law had not said, "YOU SHALL NOT COVET."

[SUP]8 [/SUP] But sin, taking opportunity through the commandment, produced in me coveting of every kind; for apart from the Law sin is dead.
 

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James 4:17 says sin is knowing the good you ought to do and choosing not to do it. We know we ought to read the Bible. We know the Bible says put to death such things as filthy language from your lips- therefore swearing is sin. We know Jesus said if you look at someone with lust, you have already committed adultery with them in your heart- therefore pornography is sin. The Lord says to be kind, patient, loving, and forgiving- therefore flipping off the other driver and yelling hateful words at them is sin. It is not sin to yell or beep your horn if your intention in doing so is to prevent an accident from happening. Most of us know the good we ought to do, and most of us have a conscience that will alert us when we don't do what we ought.
 

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The 10 commandments are a part of the law of Moses as is the sacrificing of the lamb by the high priest.

Paul himself said that coveting is the law. The law brought out the coveting that was in him. When we try to split up the law so that we can live by a set of rules including the 10 commandments - we are nullifying the grace of Christ in our lives. We live now by the law of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus.

The law of Moses was used by God to expose sin and to actually inflame it so that it would show up and sin would increase.

The law of Moses is a manifestation of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. We were not meant to eat from that tree - we are to eat from the tree of life - which is Christ Himself.

Here in Romans 7:7-8 is Paul showing that the 10 commandments are a part of the law of Moses. If we are going to live by the rules of the law including the 10 commandments then we need to do "all" of the law - including the temple sacrifices.

The law of the spirit of life in Christ in us will stop us from doing any harm. We can trust the Holy Spirit in us.

Romans 7:7-8 (NASB)
[SUP]7 [/SUP]What shall we say then? Is the Law sin? May it never be! On the contrary, I would not have come to know sin except through the Law; for I would not have known about coveting if the Law had not said, "YOU SHALL NOT COVET."

[SUP]8 [/SUP]But sin, taking opportunity through the commandment, produced in me coveting of every kind; for apart from the Law sin is dead.
I can see we are far apart in understanding the law. You see no difference in the spiritual and the secular-hence abolish all. I gave scripture showing the difference from the beginning and even Jesus teaching the Fathers commandments - for He never said and did anything His Father had not taught and told Him to.
When Paul mentions 'coveting' he takes that from the 10 Commandments, not from the works of the law which are physical actions - but coveting is a spiritual concept. Paul could have used any of the 10 Commands.
No Sir - we do not need to keep all the hundreds of ORDINANCES since Christ abolished them Eph2v15...all we need is to keep the teachings of Jesus which are based on the Commandments of God.
We must remember that God does not change and abolish something as important as our relationship with Him and each other. What do you consider wrong with the 10 Commandments that they should be abolished - please tell me !
 
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I can see we are far apart in understanding the law. You see no difference in the spiritual and the secular-hence abolish all. I gave scripture showing the difference from the beginning and even Jesus teaching the Fathers commandments - for He never said and did anything His Father had not taught and told Him to.
When Paul mentions 'coveting' he takes that from the 10 Commandments, not from the works of the law which are physical actions - but coveting is a spiritual concept. Paul could have used any of the 10 Commands.
No Sir - we do not need to keep all the hundreds of ORDINANCES since Christ abolished them Eph2v15...all we need is to keep the teachings of Jesus which are based on the Commandments of God.
We must remember that God does not change and abolish something as important as our relationship with Him and each other. What do you consider wrong with the 10 Commandments that they should be abolished - please tell me !
There is nothing wrong with the 10 commandments on their own. But the law of Moses has now been replaced by Christ Himself. Christ in us fulfills the whole intent of the law of Moses.

We do have laws in the New Covenant. They are exciting laws that bring life and wholeness to us all - because these are all Christ Himself in us.

There is no greater revelation than to know Him and the Father and to plumb the depths of their love and grace towards us which Paul says in Eph. 2:7 - the Father will be doing for all the ages to come to us.

Ephesians 2:7 (NASB)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] so that in the ages to come He might show the surpassing riches of His grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus.

Jesus fulfilled the law. The law was a mere shadow of the real thing which was Jesus.

Read the law to see Jesus in it and to know that Jesus did that for us and His life in us now leads us in all things. Those who are led by the Spirit of God are the sons of God.

We now live by:

1) The law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus. ( Romans 8:2 )

2) The law of love ( Romans 13:10 James 2:8 )

3) The law of faith ( Romans 3:27 and the law of Moses is NOT of faith - Gal. 3:12 )

4) The law of liberty ( James 1:25 )

5) The law of Christ - which is Christ Himself in us. ( Gal. 6:2 )

We can trust the Holy Spirit in us to lead us in all affairs of life. We don't go back to the beggarly elements that were a shadow of the real thing which is Christ in us.. Jesus is more then enough.

Yes...we glory in the laws that we have in the New Covenant because they are all Christ Himself living in and through us. ( Gal.2:20 and Col. 3:3 )

Galatians 5:22-23 (NASB)

[SUP]22 [/SUP] But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,

[SUP]23 [/SUP] gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law
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We also need to know WHICH law we are dead to for not all laws were abolished by Christ. He died to/abolished in His flesh 'the law of commandments contained in ordinances/works' Eph 2v15.
And thus we are dead to Moses law which referred to all the physical 'works.
The spiritual Commandments which are eternal,holy,just and good (love God and neighbour) have never been abolished and never will be. Jesus Himself upheld and taught them in a loving and compassionate way.

"When we were controlled by our old nature, sinful desires were at work within us, and the Law aroused these evil desires that produced a harvest of sinful deeds, resulting in death. But now we have been released from the Law, for we died to it and are no longer captive to its power. Now we can serve God, not in the old way of obeying the letter of the law, but in the new way of living in the Spirit. Well then, am I suggesting that the law of God is sinful? Of course not! In fact, it was the Law that showed me my sin. I would never have known that coveting is wrong if the Law had not said, “You must not covet. Romans 7:5-7

Notice that Paul uses as his example of the Law that we have been released from and died to, one of those ten commandments.
 
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We also need to know WHICH law we are dead to for not all laws were abolished by Christ. He died to/abolished in His flesh 'the law of commandments contained in ordinances/works' Eph 2v15.
And thus we are dead to Moses law which referred to all the physical 'works.
The spiritual Commandments which are eternal,holy,just and good (love God and neighbour) have never been abolished and never will be. Jesus Himself upheld and taught them in a loving and compassionate way.
These ordinances are the "shadow of things to come" ordinances, correct?
 

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In plain talk sin is the voluntary departure from the morality prescribed by God.
 

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These ordinances are the "shadow of things to come" ordinances, correct?
OK, another one who can not tell the difference between holy and unholy !
 
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Sin is the breaking of the Law.

1 John 3:4 (KJV)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.



We have all sinned at some point.

Romans 3:23 (KJV)
[SUP]23 [/SUP] For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;



Our righteousness however is not always about Law but about our covenant we are subject to. So whether a Jew is righteous can depend on whether he has observed the Mosaic Law to a standard that he will be deemed righteous by God. The more important part here is that even when one deemed righteous by a covenant, he still has sinned.

We all know that lust can be a sin, however it says no where in Mosaic Law that lust is a sin. So even when a Jew observes the Law to be righteous, he's still a sinner in front of the set of Law used in the final judgment.

We have to sin in terms of God's Law used for the final judgment, however we can be righteous when measured by a covenant we subject to. It is because a covenant contains God's grace. Christians are those who are subject to the New Covenant. We are sinners in front of God's Law, however we can be the righteous when measured by the New Covenant. In this New Covenant we are measured by faith and faith only, as the Covenant itself is free of a set of Law equivalent to the Mosaic Law given to the Jews.

That being said, we shouldn't continue to sin or else we may not be the righteous even when measured by our Covenant, as faith without works is dead. Our works are not for our salvation but a reflection of where our faith is. Without good works, it means that our faith is not the faith God would like us to have to make us righteous.
 
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