What is the "mystery of iniquity"?

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Hizikyah

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]2 Thessalonians 2:6-12, "For the mystery of iniquity is already working, but the One restraining him will continue to restrain him, until he is made to appear in the midst. And then that lawless one will be revealed, whom Yahshua will remove with the breath of His mouth, and make powerless with the appearance of His coming-- Whose coming is according to the energy of Satan, who works with all power, and signs, and lying wonders, And with all deceivableness of sin in those who are perishing, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this reason, YHWH will send them strong delusion, that they would believe the deception, In order that all those may be judged as not having believed the truth, but as having delighted in sin."[/FONT]



[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]What is the "mystery of iniquity"?[/FONT]
 

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2 Thessalonians 2:6-12, "For the mystery of iniquity is already working, but the One restraining him will continue to restrain him, until he is made to appear in the midst. And then that lawless one will be revealed, whom Yahshua will remove with the breath of His mouth, and make powerless with the appearance of His coming-- Whose coming is according to the energy of Satan, who works with all power, and signs, and lying wonders, And with all deceivableness of sin in those who are perishing, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this reason, YHWH will send them strong delusion, that they would believe the deception, In order that all those may be judged as not having believed the truth, but as having delighted in sin."



What is the "mystery of iniquity"?
**** the spirit of lawlessness which will find its culmination in the Anti- Christ---- he is currently being restrained by the Church--- the salt of the Earth---- the light of the world..
 
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Sometimes, in order to gain a deeper understanding of a verse, One must see an example of it's opposite...

1 Timothy 3:16
"And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory"


We see that the 'Mystery of Godliness' is God manifested in the flesh... i.e. Jesus Christ.

Therefore the opposite of that would be the Antichrist manifested in the flesh.

2 Thessalonians 2:7-8
"For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way"

"And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming"

Do you see it?

That Wicked will be revealed when he is made flesh... AGAIN.

Yes, again!

Now here's the tricky part...

Would the Mystery of Iniquity then be considered to be Reincarnation?

Revelation 17:8
"The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is"


I already know the answer.

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I found this interesting..........

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[FONT=&quot]A "mystery" is "a religious truth that man can know by revelation alone" (Merriam Webster’s Seventh New Collegiate Dictionary). "Iniquity" is defined as "gross injustice; wickedness" (Merriam Webster’s Seventh New Collegiate Dictionary). In the above passage, the Lord is revealing to us the "mystery of iniquity," the one behind the great wickedness in the latter times (specifically, during the Tribulation Period).

(found here)

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What is "the mystery of iniquity?"? - Liberty Gospel Tracts


NOTE: I am not familiar with this Site........Liberty Gospel Tracts, but the read was interesting
 
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Do you see it?

That Wicked will be revealed when he is made flesh... AGAIN.

Yes, again!

Now here's the tricky part...

Would the Mystery of Iniquity then be considered to be Reincarnation?

For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: We are in the last days the tribulation spoken of. It began when Christ said it was finished the time of reformation had come.Satan fell. The time of Jacobs’s trouble has begun .

The brightness of His (He is Spirit and not of the flesh) coming does not mean Christ the Holy Spirit of God will again appear in the likeness of sinful flesh. The one time demonstration is over. Crucifying Christ again over would be to public shame as in one demonstration was not enough.. He will come like a thief in the night.


Brightness of his coming does not mean he will put on flesh for another demonstration of the lamb of God who was slain from the foundation of the world. We walk by faith ,the unseen eternal, not by sight the temporal which will be destroyed by the brightness of His coming. God is not a man as us.

Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high: Heb 1:2
 
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2 Thessalonians 2:6-12, "For the mystery of iniquity is already working, but the One restraining him will continue to restrain him, until he is made to appear in the midst. And then that lawless one will be revealed, whom Yahshua will remove with the breath of His mouth, and make powerless with the appearance of His coming-- Whose coming is according to the energy of Satan, who works with all power, and signs, and lying wonders, And with all deceivableness of sin in those who are perishing, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this reason, YHWH will send them strong delusion, that they would believe the deception, In order that all those may be judged as not having believed the truth, but as having delighted in sin."



What is the "mystery of iniquity"?
The movements of the "spirit" that believers think is the Holy Spirit but rather it is the spirits of the antichrist.

This iniquity of seeking to receive the Holy Spirit later on in life after a sign by asking the Holy Spirit directly to come and fall on them is the iniquity that was already at work in Paul's days, just not at the level of as bad as it is today.

If you think about it, if a believer as a medium seek to let in ghosts to contact with, don't you think the Father will let that happen since they are practically asking for it?

So if wayward believers think they can receive the Holy Spirit "again" after a sign of tongues which never comes with interpretation, the same kind of tongues found in mediums & wizards of old and today, when according to our faith that the Holy Spirit was and still is in them, don't you think the Father will allow it to happen?

We have proof that this is so by how Paul reproved what these believers were doing when falling away from the faith.

2 Thessalonians 2:[SUP]13 [/SUP]But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:[SUP]14 [/SUP]Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.[SUP]15 [/SUP]Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.

Now you " may " say that these people are damned for not believing the love of the truth; but keep in mind that these are believers that are falling away from the faith; they had to have faith first before falling away. And so what is the damnation? Becoming that vessel unto dishonor in His House at the pre trib rapture event when they are castaways.

Now you may still say "no way.." because Jesus can lose none of all the Father has given Him ( John 6:39 ) BUT 1 Timothy 4:1-2 prophesied that there will be some in the latter days that will depart from faith in giving heed to seducing spirits and doctrines of devils, having their conscience seared with a hot iron in hypocrisy which is what they are doing when the say they know the Holy Spirit is in them forever but they seek to receive Him again as if He is not in them.

If still in doubt that this iniquity is about all of those movements of the spirit, Paul goes on to the third chapter talking about those unreasonable and wicked men that have not faith that no longer walked after the traditions taught of us and are "disorderly" as all of these movements of the spirit are with believers falling backwards and stuff, that we are commanded by the Lord Jesus Christ to withdraw but NOT to treat them as the enemy, but admonish them because they are still brothers.

2 Thessalonians 3:1Finally, brethren, pray for us, that the word of the Lord may have free course, and be glorified, even as it is with you:[SUP]2 [/SUP]And that we may be delivered from unreasonable and wicked men: for all men have not faith.[SUP]3 [/SUP]But the Lord is faithful, who shall stablish you, and keep you from evil.[SUP]4 [/SUP]And we have confidence in the Lord touching you, that ye both do and will do the things which we command you.[SUP]5 [/SUP]And the Lord direct your hearts into the love of God, and into the patient waiting for Christ.[SUP]6 [/SUP]Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us.[SUP]7 [/SUP]For yourselves know how ye ought to follow us: for we behaved not ourselves disorderly among you;............[SUP]14 [/SUP]And if any man obey not our word by this epistle, note that man, and have no company with him, that he may be ashamed.[SUP]15 [/SUP]Yet count him not as an enemy, but admonish him as a brother.

So that is what I believe this iniquity is; seeking to receive the holy Spirit "again" or even for the first time, thinking receiving the Holy Spirit is separate from salvation, but after a sign of tongues or other sensational signs in the flesh like falling down backwards.... but it is not of Him.

Isaiah 8:[SUP]19 [/SUP]And when they shall say unto you, Seek unto them that have familiar spirits, and unto wizards that peep, and that mutter: should not a people seek unto their God? for the living to the dead?

Isaiah 19:[SUP]14 [/SUP]The Lord hath mingled a perverse spirit in the midst thereof: and they have caused Egypt to err in every work thereof, as a drunken man staggereth in his vomit.

Isaiah 28:[SUP]6 [/SUP]And for a spirit of judgment to him that sitteth in judgment, and for strength to them that turn the battle to the gate.[SUP]7 [/SUP]But they also have erred through wine, and through strong drink are out of the way; the priest and the prophet have erred through strong drink, they are swallowed up of wine, they are out of the way through strong drink; they err in vision, they stumble in judgment.[SUP]8 [/SUP]For all tables are full of vomit and filthiness, so that there is no place clean.[SUP]9 [/SUP]Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.[SUP]10 [/SUP]For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:[SUP]11 [/SUP]For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.[SUP]12 [/SUP]To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear.[SUP]13 [/SUP]But the word of the Lord was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken.

Proverbs 25:[SUP]26 [/SUP]A righteous man falling down before the wicked is as a troubled fountain, and a corrupt spring.[SUP]27 [/SUP]It is not good to eat much honey: so for men to search their own glory is not glory.[SUP]28 [/SUP]He that hath no rule over his own spirit is like a city that is broken down, and without walls.

That is why this iniquity brings disorderly conduct in worship.

1 Corinthians 14:[SUP]32 [/SUP]And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets.[SUP]33 [/SUP]For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

So seeking to receive the gift of tongues by receiving the Holy Spirit again by asking the Holy Spirit to come and fall on them is not the way to ask for the gifts of the Spirit when they already have the Holy Spirit as it is asking Jesus Christ is where the Spirit get the gifts from for only Jesus can answer prayers.

1 Corinthians 12:[SUP]10 [/SUP]To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:[SUP]11 [/SUP]But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.[SUP]12 [/SUP]For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.[SUP]13 [/SUP]For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

If believers were to seek the gift of tongues by receiving the Holy Spirit again or even for the first time, long after they have been saved by Jesus Christ, then verse 13 has to be removed from scripture because not all can say that. And since not all can say that, then that is the iniquity Paul was speaking about in your OP because believers are falling away from the faith, thinking they can receive the Holy Spirit later on in life long after a sign of tongues which never comes with interpretation.

That was why in reproving that iniquity that was calling believers to fall away from the faith seeking to receive the spirits after a sign, even though they were thinking it was the Holy Spirit, it was not, because He is already in them as Paul reminded them when they had received the sanctification of the Spirit & the belief of the truth at the hearing of the gospel in 2 Thessalonians 2:13-15. That is why God permitted the strong delusion to occur as the Restrainer was taken out of the way as believers "open" themselves up to receiving these seducing spirits.

The solution is to return to their first love, and chase no more after seducing spirits to receive after a sign. AND shun vain & profane babbling with His help so as to pray normally to know what you have prayed for so as to give the Father thanks in Jesus's name for answered prayers which is the will of the Father for us to do.

1 Thessalonians 5:
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Pray without ceasing.[SUP]18 [/SUP]In every thing give thanks: for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus concerning you.
 

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2 Thessalonians 2:6-12, "For the mystery of iniquity is already working, but the One restraining him will continue to restrain him, until he is made to appear in the midst. And then that lawless one will be revealed, whom Yahshua will remove with the breath of His mouth, and make powerless with the appearance of His coming-- Whose coming is according to the energy of Satan, who works with all power, and signs, and lying wonders, And with all deceivableness of sin in those who are perishing, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this reason, YHWH will send them strong delusion, that they would believe the deception, In order that all those may be judged as not having believed the truth, but as having delighted in sin."



What is the "mystery of iniquity"?

I will tell you plainly,

The mystery is:

Why would anyone choose Satan over God?


Evil over good?

No love over love?

Instead of God's eternal love and joy in their soul, they choose guilt, emptiness and sorrow.

Why be evil?

Why be a destroyer of love, when you can have God's love?

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Why does a suicide bomber go to a market place to kill women and children?

WHY ?

Can you tell me why?

What is the "REASONING"?

WHY destroy love?

Those people at the market were not hurting the bomber.

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If you can't understand why or come up with a good reason, that's OK, because there isn't a good reason.

And that is the mystery.

People of love and reason, work things out.

They reason together.

So it's hard to understand people who do things like terrorist acts.

They're hurting people that they don't even know.

They are not "reasoning" things out correctly,

They have not taken into account the God who is love.

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The verse is about revealing that Caesar and Rome are the Antichrist and the 4th beast in 70 ad.

The Holy Spirit is restraining him from destroying Jerusalem because of the presence of church members there.

When the church members left Jerusalem and fled to the mountains,

The Holy Spirit was removed and Jerusalem was destroyed.

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The Caesar/beast (4th), that is destroyed, by the brightness of His coming is:

Not the Caesar/beast who destroyed Jerusalem in 70 ad, but the renewed Caesar/beast who crawls out of the abyss at the 5th trumpet.

(parallel passage, Rev 20, the dragon v 2, released from the abyss to deceive Magog)

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I will tell you plainly,

The mystery is:

Why would anyone choose Satan over God?
Its more that the father of lies chooses us as natural man according the flesh (that seen) .

They chose to walk by sight as in natural man .It’s natural that men seek after signs and wonders. Signs as that seen the temporal and turn them into wonders, that not seen, the wrong manner of spirit or the spirit of confederacy. .

Whenever the apostles were given a parable in which Christ hid the meaning to teach them about parables .They would automatically look for another outward person to put their faith in when not understanding a parable. They understood not how faith worked and who it comes from as hte things of God . They would make it about the who is the greatest and open up a opportunity for Satan to get His foot in the door as antichrist, influencing antichrists ,men as the things of natural men.

Luke 9 reveals how the workings of Satan as one who brings lying sign and therefore wonders (the faith principle) As he the antichrist(singular)works in men as antichrists(plural)... hiding the spiritual understanding that could come if men would do the work of rightly divided them .

And they were all amazed at the mighty power of God. But while they wondered (faith principle) every one at all things which Jesus did, he said unto his disciples ,Let these sayings sink down into your ears: for the Son of man shall be delivered into the hands of men. But they understood not this saying, and it was hid from them, that they perceived it not: and they feared to ask him of that saying. Luk 9:43

Then there arose a reasoning among them, which of them should be greatest. Luk 9:46

That kind of reasoning was prompted by the god of this world who works through the 3 avenues. And not by the faith of Christ, the living abiding word of God.

1John 2:16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

Again not understanding the parable the apostles said ...

And John answered and said, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name; and we forbad him, because he followeth not with us. (Outwardly by sight)) And Jesus said unto him, Forbid him not: for he that is not against us is for us. Luk 9:49

Again not understanding the parable they looked to themselves as the source of faith looking for Him to destroy what they thought was the outward completion. (All that can be expected as natural man)

And sent messengers before his face: and they went, and entered into a village of the Samaritans, to And they did not receive him, because his face was as though he would go to Jerusalem.And when his disciples James and John saw this, they said, Lord, wilt thou that we command fire to come down from heaven, and consume them, even as Elias did? Luk 9:52

Three being the end of the matter, Christ said...

Luk 9:55 But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not what "manner of spirit" ye are of.

You could say the same antichrists manner expressed by Peter when he forbid the Lord of glory from finishing that which has begun.offending God because they did not distinguish the thing of God as throe from men.The spirit of the antichrist as His methodology..


Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee. But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not "the things that be of God, but those that be of men".Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.Mat 16:22



 

Hizikyah

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What is the "mystery of iniquity"?
Another way to translate it is "the secret power of lawlessness".
Thank you and I agree:

mystery” is word # G3466 - Mustérion, Strong's Concordance, mustérion: a mystery or secret doctrine, Original Word: μυστήριον, ου, τό, Part of Speech: Noun, Neuter, Transliteration: mustérion, Phonetic Spelling: (moos-tay'-ree-on), Short Definition: anything hidden, a mystery, Definition: a mystery, secret, of which initiation is necessary; in the NT: the counsels of God, once hidden but now revealed in the Gospel or some fact thereof; the Christian revelation generally; particular truths or details of the Christian revelation.


—Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar) 1) hidden thing, secret, mystery, 1a) generally mysteries, religious secrets, confided only to the initiated and not to ordinary mortals, 1b) a hidden or secret thing, not obvious to the understanding, 1c) a hidden purpose or counsel, 1c1) secret will, 1c1a) of men, 1c1b) of God: the secret counsels which govern God in dealing with the righteous, which are hidden from ungodly and wicked men but plain to the godly, 3) in rabbinic writings, it denotes the mystic or hidden sense: of an OT saying, of an image or form seen in a vision, of a dream


—Thayer's (New Testament Greek-English Lexicon) From a derivative of μύω [[muo]] (to shut the mouth); a secret or "mystery" (through the idea of silence imposed by initiation into religious rites):—mystery.


iniquity” is word # G458 - anomia Strong's Concordance, lawlessness, Short Definition: lawlessness, iniquity, Definition: lawlessness, iniquity, disobedience, sin


"iniquity" is: #0458 anomia {an-om-ee'-ah} from G0459
Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)
1) the condition of without law 1a) because ignorant of it1b) because of violating it, 2) contempt and violation of law, iniquity, wickedness
 
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at least we understand 'who' was the 'first' of the 'law-less'...
 

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Would it not just be the natural man? We all are of the kingdom of darkness until translated into the kingdom of the Son of God, true?

The world doesn't want to accept the rule of Spirit. That obedience from the heart that only those born from above have.
 

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at least we understand 'who' was the 'first' of the 'law-less'...
Ezekiyl 28:13-19, “You were in Ĕḏen, the garden of the MostHigh. Every precious stone was your covering: the ruby, topaz, and diamond, beryl, shoham, and jasper, sapphire, turquoise, and emerald and gold. The workmanship of your settings and mountings was prepared for you on the day you were created. You were the anointed keruḇ that covered. And I placed you, you were on the set-apart mountain of Yah. You walked up and down in the midst of stones of fire. You were perfect in your ways from the day you were created, until unrighteousness was found in you. By the greatness of your trade you became filled with violence within, and you sinned. So I thrust you from the mountain of Yah, and I destroyed you, O covering keruḇ, from the midst of the stones of fire. Your heart was lifted up because of your loveliness, you corrupted your wisdom for the sake of your splendour. I threw you to the earth, I laid you before sovereigns, to look at you. You profaned your set-apart places by your many crookednesses, by the unrighteousness of your trading. Therefore I brought forth fire from your midst. It has devoured you, and I turned you to ashes upon the earth before the eyes of all who see you. All who knew you among the peoples were astonished at you. Waste you shall be, and cease to be, forever.”
 

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Would it not just be the natural man? We all are of the kingdom of darkness until translated into the kingdom of the Son of God, true?

The world doesn't want to accept the rule of Spirit. That obedience from the heart that only those born from above have.
This does sound possible, but, by the definition of the konie greek, it takes some kind of initiation....
Definition: a mystery, secret, of which initiation is necessary

mystery” is word # G3466 - Mustérion, Strong's Concordance, mustérion: a mystery or secret doctrine, Original Word: μυστήριον, ου, τό, Part of Speech: Noun, Neuter, Transliteration: mustérion, Phonetic Spelling: (moos-tay'-ree-on), Short Definition: anything hidden, a mystery, Definition: a mystery, secret, of which initiation is necessary; in the NT: the counsels of God, once hidden but now revealed in the Gospel or some fact thereof; the Christian revelation generally; particular truths or details of the Christian revelation.
 

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The movements of the "spirit" that believers think is the Holy Spirit but rather it is the spirits of the antichrist.

This iniquity of seeking to receive the Holy Spirit later on in life after a sign by asking the Holy Spirit directly to come and fall on them is the iniquity that was already at work in Paul's days, just not at the level of as bad as it is today.......
I read your whole post..
I agree to a certain extent that the Pentecostal/charismatic movements are part of the deception
 
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The movements of the "spirit" that believers think is the Holy Spirit but rather it is the spirits of the antichrist.

This iniquity of seeking to receive the Holy Spirit later on in life after a sign by asking the Holy Spirit directly to come and fall on them is the iniquity that was already at work in Paul's days, just not at the level of as bad as it is today.

If you think about it, if a believer as a medium seek to let in ghosts to contact with, don't you think the Father will let that happen since they are practically asking for it?

So if wayward believers think they can receive the Holy Spirit "again" after a sign of tongues which never comes with interpretation, the same kind of tongues found in mediums & wizards of old and today, when according to our faith that the Holy Spirit was and still is in them, don't you think the Father will allow it to happen?

We have proof that this is so by how Paul reproved what these believers were doing when falling away from the faith.

2 Thessalonians 2:[SUP]13 [/SUP]But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:[SUP]14 [/SUP]Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.[SUP]15 [/SUP]Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.

Now you " may " say that these people are damned for not believing the love of the truth; but keep in mind that these are believers that are falling away from the faith; they had to have faith first before falling away. And so what is the damnation? Becoming that vessel unto dishonor in His House at the pre trib rapture event when they are castaways.

Now you may still say "no way.." because Jesus can lose none of all the Father has given Him ( John 6:39 ) BUT 1 Timothy 4:1-2 prophesied that there will be some in the latter days that will depart from faith in giving heed to seducing spirits and doctrines of devils, having their conscience seared with a hot iron in hypocrisy which is what they are doing when the say they know the Holy Spirit is in them forever but they seek to receive Him again as if He is not in them.

If still in doubt that this iniquity is about all of those movements of the spirit, Paul goes on to the third chapter talking about those unreasonable and wicked men that have not faith that no longer walked after the traditions taught of us and are "disorderly" as all of these movements of the spirit are with believers falling backwards and stuff, that we are commanded by the Lord Jesus Christ to withdraw but NOT to treat them as the enemy, but admonish them because they are still brothers.

2 Thessalonians 3:1Finally, brethren, pray for us, that the word of the Lord may have free course, and be glorified, even as it is with you:[SUP]2 [/SUP]And that we may be delivered from unreasonable and wicked men: for all men have not faith.[SUP]3 [/SUP]But the Lord is faithful, who shall stablish you, and keep you from evil.[SUP]4 [/SUP]And we have confidence in the Lord touching you, that ye both do and will do the things which we command you.[SUP]5 [/SUP]And the Lord direct your hearts into the love of God, and into the patient waiting for Christ.[SUP]6 [/SUP]Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us.[SUP]7 [/SUP]For yourselves know how ye ought to follow us: for we behaved not ourselves disorderly among you;............[SUP]14 [/SUP]And if any man obey not our word by this epistle, note that man, and have no company with him, that he may be ashamed.[SUP]15 [/SUP]Yet count him not as an enemy, but admonish him as a brother.

So that is what I believe this iniquity is; seeking to receive the holy Spirit "again" or even for the first time, thinking receiving the Holy Spirit is separate from salvation, but after a sign of tongues or other sensational signs in the flesh like falling down backwards.... but it is not of Him.

Isaiah 8:[SUP]19 [/SUP]And when they shall say unto you, Seek unto them that have familiar spirits, and unto wizards that peep, and that mutter: should not a people seek unto their God? for the living to the dead?

Isaiah 19:[SUP]14 [/SUP]The Lord hath mingled a perverse spirit in the midst thereof: and they have caused Egypt to err in every work thereof, as a drunken man staggereth in his vomit.

Isaiah 28:[SUP]6 [/SUP]And for a spirit of judgment to him that sitteth in judgment, and for strength to them that turn the battle to the gate.[SUP]7 [/SUP]But they also have erred through wine, and through strong drink are out of the way; the priest and the prophet have erred through strong drink, they are swallowed up of wine, they are out of the way through strong drink; they err in vision, they stumble in judgment.[SUP]8 [/SUP]For all tables are full of vomit and filthiness, so that there is no place clean.[SUP]9 [/SUP]Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.[SUP]10 [/SUP]For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:[SUP]11 [/SUP]For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.[SUP]12 [/SUP]To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear.[SUP]13 [/SUP]But the word of the Lord was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken.

Proverbs 25:[SUP]26 [/SUP]A righteous man falling down before the wicked is as a troubled fountain, and a corrupt spring.[SUP]27 [/SUP]It is not good to eat much honey: so for men to search their own glory is not glory.[SUP]28 [/SUP]He that hath no rule over his own spirit is like a city that is broken down, and without walls.

That is why this iniquity brings disorderly conduct in worship.

1 Corinthians 14:[SUP]32 [/SUP]And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets.[SUP]33 [/SUP]For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

So seeking to receive the gift of tongues by receiving the Holy Spirit again by asking the Holy Spirit to come and fall on them is not the way to ask for the gifts of the Spirit when they already have the Holy Spirit as it is asking Jesus Christ is where the Spirit get the gifts from for only Jesus can answer prayers.

1 Corinthians 12:[SUP]10 [/SUP]To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:[SUP]11 [/SUP]But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.[SUP]12 [/SUP]For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.[SUP]13 [/SUP]For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

If believers were to seek the gift of tongues by receiving the Holy Spirit again or even for the first time, long after they have been saved by Jesus Christ, then verse 13 has to be removed from scripture because not all can say that. And since not all can say that, then that is the iniquity Paul was speaking about in your OP because believers are falling away from the faith, thinking they can receive the Holy Spirit later on in life long after a sign of tongues which never comes with interpretation.

That was why in reproving that iniquity that was calling believers to fall away from the faith seeking to receive the spirits after a sign, even though they were thinking it was the Holy Spirit, it was not, because He is already in them as Paul reminded them when they had received the sanctification of the Spirit & the belief of the truth at the hearing of the gospel in 2 Thessalonians 2:13-15. That is why God permitted the strong delusion to occur as the Restrainer was taken out of the way as believers "open" themselves up to receiving these seducing spirits.

The solution is to return to their first love, and chase no more after seducing spirits to receive after a sign. AND shun vain & profane babbling with His help so as to pray normally to know what you have prayed for so as to give the Father thanks in Jesus's name for answered prayers which is the will of the Father for us to do.

1 Thessalonians 5:
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Pray without ceasing.[SUP]18 [/SUP]In every thing give thanks: for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus concerning you.
The movements of the "spirit" that believers think is the Holy Spirit but rather it is the spirits of the antichrist.

This iniquity of seeking to receive the Holy Spirit later on in life after a sign by asking the Holy Spirit directly to come and fall on them is the iniquity that was already at work in Paul's days, just not at the level of as bad as it is today.

If you think about it, if a believer as a medium seek to let in ghosts to contact with, don't you think the Father will let that happen since they are practically asking for it?
Whoa,is that ever evil of you.

Lets get some light shining in here is this cessationist party.

Luke 11;9 And I say unto you, Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you.10 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.
11 If a son shall ask bread of any of you that is a father, will he give him a stone? or if he ask a fish, will he for a fish give him a serpent?
12 Or if he shall ask an egg, will he offer him a scorpion?
13 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?

Jesus not only tells us to ask,but adds a guarantee. IOW,it is as if the Holy Spirit added that in there to be absolutely sure no so called believer would try and label the Holy Spirit as satan.

The unpardonable sin involves attributing the devil to the works of the Holy Spirit.

You are so grossly off and in error. Amazing how in teaching us how decieved the body of Christ is,you find yourself in such gross deception.

The spirit of antichrist is here,and was here in Jesus earthly walk. What do you think is going on in America with liberals hating anything wholesome or Christian??????

But you center your attack,not on the real spirit of antichrist,but on the body of Christ.

PATHETIC.
 
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This does sound possible, but, by the definition of the konie greek, it takes some kind of initiation....
Definition: a mystery, secret, of which initiation is necessary

mystery” is word # G3466 - Mustérion, Strong's Concordance, mustérion: a mystery or secret doctrine, Original Word: μυστήριον, ου, τό, Part of Speech: Noun, Neuter, Transliteration: mustérion, Phonetic Spelling: (moos-tay'-ree-on), Short Definition: anything hidden, a mystery, Definition: a mystery, secret, of which initiation is necessary; in the NT: the counsels of God, once hidden but now revealed in the Gospel or some fact thereof; the Christian revelation generally; particular truths or details of the Christian revelation.
Not sure about the initiation but it sure seems to be hidden, looking at all these posts. :eek:

What about the word translated? Is this not a mystery? Would be the opposite of iniquity in these scriptures.

~Col_1:13  WhoG3739 hath deliveredG4506 usG2248 fromG1537 theG3588 powerG1849 of darkness,G4655 andG2532 hath translatedG3179 us intoG1519 theG3588 kingdomG932 of hisG848 dearG26 Son:G5207
Heb_11:5  By faithG4102 EnochG1802 was translatedG3346 that he should notG3361 seeG1492 death;G2288 andG2532 was notG3756 found,G2147 becauseG1360 GodG2316 had translatedG3346 him:G846 forG1063 beforeG4253 hisG846 translationG3331 he had this testimony,G3140 that he pleasedG2100 God.G2316


 
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For crying out loud Popeye, you can take you PC right now and watch Pentecostals barking like dogs, running into a wall, having a shaking fit, women falling down with their dresses up to their belly button. Then you can find those who are yielding to evil spirits and it looks almost the same. Do you call that the working of God? Then you have the AOG describing exra biblical manifestations of the Holy Spirit. Does that make sense? Extra biblical means it is not found in the bible. Why would anyone believe something is from God when you cannot prove it from the bible?
 

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Samuel

Did you ever think this might be demons manifesting and deliverance needed?

I've never seen barking but am pretty sure it wouldn't be left to go on in my church. Demons threw a young boy into the fire...how do you think that might of looked?

People can shake under the power of God. It's sometimes like electricity....and one will definitely react.
 
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What I have found is the continuing attempt by Satan to...

a. Be worshipped in a man as God
b. To thwart God's plan

Horus is Bel is Marduke is Merodach is Jupiter is Zeus is ALLAH is Satan

We know Zeus was real and was Satan...Jesus said the throne of Satan was located in Pergamos.....what was located at Pergamos..The throne of Zeus.....

And Satan evolves in his mimic of God....Alexander the Great took the title The SON of GOD as in the SON of Zeus.....

Satan has been at work in the above false gods attempting to be worshipped as the GOD. God continually hindered it because it is not yet time.....

When it is time he will come after the power and working of Satan.....

I know many believe it is the Holy Spirit restraining....I do not believe that......The one coming is after the power and working of Satan....and Satan is working to that end!