What is the "mystery of iniquity"?

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jb

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The movements of the "spirit" that believers think is the Holy Spirit but rather it is the spirits of the antichrist.

This iniquity of seeking to receive the Holy Spirit later on in life after a sign by asking the Holy Spirit directly to come and fall on them is the iniquity that was already at work in Paul's days, just not at the level of as bad as it is today.

If you think about it, if a believer as a medium seek to let in ghosts to contact with, don't you think the Father will let that happen since they are practically asking for it?

So if wayward believers think they can receive the Holy Spirit "again" after a sign of tongues which never comes with interpretation, the same kind of tongues found in mediums & wizards of old and today, when according to our faith that the Holy Spirit was and still is in them, don't you think the Father will allow it to happen?

We have proof that this is so by how Paul reproved what these believers were doing when falling away from the faith.

2 Thessalonians 2:[SUP]13 [/SUP]But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:[SUP]14 [/SUP]Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.[SUP]15 [/SUP]Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.

Now you " may " say that these people are damned for not believing the love of the truth; but keep in mind that these are believers that are falling away from the faith; they had to have faith first before falling away. And so what is the damnation? Becoming that vessel unto dishonor in His House at the pre trib rapture event when they are castaways.

Now you may still say "no way.." because Jesus can lose none of all the Father has given Him ( John 6:39 ) BUT 1 Timothy 4:1-2 prophesied that there will be some in the latter days that will depart from faith in giving heed to seducing spirits and doctrines of devils, having their conscience seared with a hot iron in hypocrisy which is what they are doing when the say they know the Holy Spirit is in them forever but they seek to receive Him again as if He is not in them.

If still in doubt that this iniquity is about all of those movements of the spirit, Paul goes on to the third chapter talking about those unreasonable and wicked men that have not faith that no longer walked after the traditions taught of us and are "disorderly" as all of these movements of the spirit are with believers falling backwards and stuff, that we are commanded by the Lord Jesus Christ to withdraw but NOT to treat them as the enemy, but admonish them because they are still brothers.

2 Thessalonians 3:1Finally, brethren, pray for us, that the word of the Lord may have free course, and be glorified, even as it is with you:[SUP]2 [/SUP]And that we may be delivered from unreasonable and wicked men: for all men have not faith.[SUP]3 [/SUP]But the Lord is faithful, who shall stablish you, and keep you from evil.[SUP]4 [/SUP]And we have confidence in the Lord touching you, that ye both do and will do the things which we command you.[SUP]5 [/SUP]And the Lord direct your hearts into the love of God, and into the patient waiting for Christ.[SUP]6 [/SUP]Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us.[SUP]7 [/SUP]For yourselves know how ye ought to follow us: for we behaved not ourselves disorderly among you;............[SUP]14 [/SUP]And if any man obey not our word by this epistle, note that man, and have no company with him, that he may be ashamed.[SUP]15 [/SUP]Yet count him not as an enemy, but admonish him as a brother.

So that is what I believe this iniquity is; seeking to receive the holy Spirit "again" or even for the first time, thinking receiving the Holy Spirit is separate from salvation, but after a sign of tongues or other sensational signs in the flesh like falling down backwards.... but it is not of Him.

Isaiah 8:[SUP]19 [/SUP]And when they shall say unto you, Seek unto them that have familiar spirits, and unto wizards that peep, and that mutter: should not a people seek unto their God? for the living to the dead?

Isaiah 19:[SUP]14 [/SUP]The Lord hath mingled a perverse spirit in the midst thereof: and they have caused Egypt to err in every work thereof, as a drunken man staggereth in his vomit.

Isaiah 28:[SUP]6 [/SUP]And for a spirit of judgment to him that sitteth in judgment, and for strength to them that turn the battle to the gate.[SUP]7 [/SUP]But they also have erred through wine, and through strong drink are out of the way; the priest and the prophet have erred through strong drink, they are swallowed up of wine, they are out of the way through strong drink; they err in vision, they stumble in judgment.[SUP]8 [/SUP]For all tables are full of vomit and filthiness, so that there is no place clean.[SUP]9 [/SUP]Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.[SUP]10 [/SUP]For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:[SUP]11 [/SUP]For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.[SUP]12 [/SUP]To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear.[SUP]13 [/SUP]But the word of the Lord was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken.

Proverbs 25:[SUP]26 [/SUP]A righteous man falling down before the wicked is as a troubled fountain, and a corrupt spring.[SUP]27 [/SUP]It is not good to eat much honey: so for men to search their own glory is not glory.[SUP]28 [/SUP]He that hath no rule over his own spirit is like a city that is broken down, and without walls.

That is why this iniquity brings disorderly conduct in worship.

1 Corinthians 14:[SUP]32 [/SUP]And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets.[SUP]33 [/SUP]For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

So seeking to receive the gift of tongues by receiving the Holy Spirit again by asking the Holy Spirit to come and fall on them is not the way to ask for the gifts of the Spirit when they already have the Holy Spirit as it is asking Jesus Christ is where the Spirit get the gifts from for only Jesus can answer prayers.

1 Corinthians 12:[SUP]10 [/SUP]To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:[SUP]11 [/SUP]But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.[SUP]12 [/SUP]For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.[SUP]13 [/SUP]For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

If believers were to seek the gift of tongues by receiving the Holy Spirit again or even for the first time, long after they have been saved by Jesus Christ, then verse 13 has to be removed from scripture because not all can say that. And since not all can say that, then that is the iniquity Paul was speaking about in your OP because believers are falling away from the faith, thinking they can receive the Holy Spirit later on in life long after a sign of tongues which never comes with interpretation.

That was why in reproving that iniquity that was calling believers to fall away from the faith seeking to receive the spirits after a sign, even though they were thinking it was the Holy Spirit, it was not, because He is already in them as Paul reminded them when they had received the sanctification of the Spirit & the belief of the truth at the hearing of the gospel in 2 Thessalonians 2:13-15. That is why God permitted the strong delusion to occur as the Restrainer was taken out of the way as believers "open" themselves up to receiving these seducing spirits.

The solution is to return to their first love, and chase no more after seducing spirits to receive after a sign. AND shun vain & profane babbling with His help so as to pray normally to know what you have prayed for so as to give the Father thanks in Jesus's name for answered prayers which is the will of the Father for us to do.

1 Thessalonians 5:
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Pray without ceasing.[SUP]18 [/SUP]In every thing give thanks: for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus concerning you.
The bulk of this is complete and utter nonsense!
 

jb

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Whoa,is that ever evil of you.

Lets get some light shining in here is this cessationist party.

Luke 11;9 And I say unto you, Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you.10 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.
11 If a son shall ask bread of any of you that is a father, will he give him a stone? or if he ask a fish, will he for a fish give him a serpent?
12 Or if he shall ask an egg, will he offer him a scorpion?
13 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?

Jesus not only tells us to ask,but adds a guarantee. IOW,it is as if the Holy Spirit added that in there to be absolutely sure no so called believer would try and label the Holy Spirit as satan.

The unpardonable sin involves attributing the devil to the works of the Holy Spirit.

You are so grossly off and in error. Amazing how in teaching us how decieved the body of Christ is,you find yourself in such gross deception.

The spirit of antichrist is here,and was here in Jesus earthly walk. What do you think is going on in America with liberals hating anything wholesome or Christian??????

But you center your attack,not on the real spirit of antichrist,but on the body of Christ.

PATHETIC.

DITTO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

Grandpa

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Romans 9:31-32
31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.
32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;

Its not much of a mystery if you could just follow the law and remove your own iniquity. Its a mystery because even those who follow the law have not attained to the righteousness of the law.

2 Corinthians 3:14-17

14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.
15 But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.
16 Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.
17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.


When you come to Christ the vail is removed. Then you can know the mystery of iniquity.

Romans 3&4...


 
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When I was a kid, Pentecostalism was laughed at because of its absurdity. Everyone had a story of seeing someone roll around on the floor and women speaking in some weird language while falling over backwards with their dresses over their heads, the lists goes on and on. Actually you can still find some of that stuff on the net today. And to make it even more ludicrous, the people doing those things were proud of themselves "because they had the spirit". I am sure that they did have a spirit, but not God. Since those days they have toned it down quite a bit and have become pretty much accepted in mainstream Christianity. The problem is, is that Pentecostals are still holy rollers under the guise of Christian respectability that they have acquired. The Pentecostal movement itself is NOT OF GOD. I have spent a lot of time in Pentecostal meetings and watching Pentecostal meetings...very little of what goes on there is of God. I said all that to point out that the mystery of iniquity is Satan in the church being worshipped as God and it is presently happening through the spread of Pentecostalism. You cannot talk to Pentecostals because the false spirits are giving them a high and they do not want to believe that it is not God...so they keep on.
 
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The bulk of this is complete and utter nonsense!
Just saying so, does not make it so.

Correct by the scripture or prove that scripture were applied wrong. That is the only way we all can learn by Him, right?

Proverbs 27:17Iron sharpeneth iron; so a man sharpeneth the countenance of his friend.

Galatians 4:16Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?

1 Thessalonians 5:[SUP]21[/SUP]Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.[SUP]22 [/SUP]Abstain from all appearance of evil.[SUP]23 [/SUP]And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.[SUP]24[/SUP]Faithful is he that calleth you, who also will do it.
 
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When I was a kid, Pentecostalism was laughed at because of its absurdity. Everyone had a story of seeing someone roll around on the floor and women speaking in some weird language while falling over backwards with their dresses over their heads, the lists goes on and on. Actually you can still find some of that stuff on the net today. And to make it even more ludicrous, the people doing those things were proud of themselves "because they had the spirit". I am sure that they did have a spirit, but not God. Since those days they have toned it down quite a bit and have become pretty much accepted in mainstream Christianity. The problem is, is that Pentecostals are still holy rollers under the guise of Christian respectability that they have acquired. The Pentecostal movement itself is NOT OF GOD. I have spent a lot of time in Pentecostal meetings and watching Pentecostal meetings...very little of what goes on there is of God. I said all that to point out that the mystery of iniquity is Satan in the church being worshipped as God and it is presently happening through the spread of Pentecostalism. You cannot talk to Pentecostals because the false spirits are giving them a high and they do not want to believe that it is not God...so they keep on.
I believe the roots of Pentecostalism started in the RCC where they teach to seek tongues directly from the Holy Spirit. One of the forefathers of the church ( not the N.T. church ) had said that because they spoke in tongues, it was a "sign" that the church was keeping the doctrines within which they forgot the scripture that tongues would never serve as a sign for believers about proving anything as it was always to serve as a sign to unbelievers as they hear the wonderful works of God in their native tongue.

1 Corinthians 14:[SUP]20 [/SUP]Brethren, be not children in understanding: howbeit in malice be ye children, but in understanding be men.[SUP]21 [/SUP]In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord.[SUP]22 [/SUP]Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.

Here are the scripture that paints this apostate movement as stemming out of the RCC as they do the Mass.

Revelation 2:[SUP]18 [/SUP]And unto the angel of the church in Thyatira write; These things saith the Son of God, who hath his eyes like unto a flame of fire, and his feet are like fine brass;[SUP]19 [/SUP]I know thy works, and charity, and service, and faith, and thy patience, and thy works; and the last to be more than the first.[SUP]20 [/SUP]Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.[SUP]21 [/SUP]And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not.[SUP]22 [/SUP]Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds.[SUP]23 [/SUP]And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.[SUP]24 [/SUP]But unto you I say, and unto the rest in Thyatira, as many as have not this doctrine, and which have not known the depths of Satan, as they speak; I will put upon you none other burden.[SUP]25 [/SUP]But that which ye have already hold fast till I come.

They commit fornication by ceasing to seek the face of the Bridegroom in chasing after spirits to receive after a sign and by it, they speak in a tongue that does not come with interpretation because it is not of Him.

Isaiah 8:
[SUP]19 [/SUP]And when they shall say unto you, Seek unto them that have familiar spirits, and unto wizards that peep, and that mutter: should not a people seek unto their God? for the living to the dead?

1 Timothy 4:1Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;[SUP]2 [/SUP]Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;

The Holy Spirit does not answer prayers. Only Jesus does as He is the only way to come to God the Father by.

John 14:[SUP]6 [/SUP]Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.....[SUP]13 [/SUP]And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.[SUP]14 [/SUP]If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.

So from the early church history within the RCC's teaching of seeking gifts by praying directly to the Holy Spirit, and how it has branched out into the world is how the RCC has become that mystery Babylon; the harlot.

But... scripture does give hope that God is able to peradventure to recover from this snare of the devil that keeps believers from doing His will for He does call those that hear in the church at Thyatira to repent.

1 Thessalonians 5:[SUP]17[/SUP]Pray without ceasing.[SUP]18 [/SUP]In every thing give thanks: for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus concerning you.

2 Timothy 2:[SUP]16 [/SUP]But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.....[SUP]24 [/SUP]And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient,[SUP]25 [/SUP]In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;[SUP]26 [/SUP]And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.

I do confess my need of the Lord to not argue with those that have gone astray since it is on Him to cause the increase, and I do confess my need of Him to help me to withdraw when it is obvious that God is not peradventuring to recover them at that time. They are still His as 2 Thessalonians 3:1-7,14-15 testify when withdrawing from them when they refuse to hear or refuse to repent, but to admonish them as brothers as they are at risk of being damned as vessels unto dishonor in His House for not departing from that iniquity as it is that iniquity spoken of in the prior chapter of 2 Thessalonians 2nd chapter about the falling away of the faith wherein Paul reproved that iniquity by reminding them when they had received the sanctification of the Spirit & the belief of the truth at the hearing of the gospel, thus reproving the notion that a saved believer can receive the Holy Spirit again ( 2 Corinthians 11:1-4 ) after a sign of tongues or even for the first time as if receiving the Holy Spirit is separate from salvation which scripture says it is not ( Romans 8:9 & Ephesians 1:11-15 )

I give the Father thanks in Jesus's name for as many as He would raise up as workers in the harvest in the hopes He may be peradventuring to recover some from this snare of the devil so that they may return to their first love, the Bridegroom.

I do lean on Him to love Him enough to leave them in His hands should they be left behind at the pre tribulational rapture.
 
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Whoa,is that ever evil of you.

Lets get some light shining in here is this cessationist party.

Luke 11;9 And I say unto you, Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you.10 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.
11 If a son shall ask bread of any of you that is a father, will he give him a stone? or if he ask a fish, will he for a fish give him a serpent?
12 Or if he shall ask an egg, will he offer him a scorpion?
13 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?

Jesus not only tells us to ask,but adds a guarantee. IOW,it is as if the Holy Spirit added that in there to be absolutely sure no so called believer would try and label the Holy Spirit as satan.


Reread your scriptural reference; because Jesus testified that after you had received the Holy Ghost, you cannot receive Him again, les that makes the Father look evil as if He did not give you the Holy Ghost the first time.

So as much as tongue speakers like to think they can receive the Holy Spirit again and again and again, they forget how that would make the Father look evil. And so the correct application of receiving the Holy Spirit abundantly is that it is given once to all that needed that seal of adoption; so that others may know that this one time giving of the Holy Spirit to each new saved believer is not exclusive.

The unpardonable sin involves attributing the devil to the works of the Holy Spirit.
If the devil's supernatural tongue which is babbling nonsense was in the world before Pentecost had come with God's gift of tongues which is of other men's lips to speak unto the people, then you can know that tongue which comes with no interpretation but babbling nonsense is not being manifested by the Holy Spirit. God's gift of tongues IS of other men's lips to speak unto the people so that we can discern the babbling nonsense that is the devil's tongue from God's actual gift of tongues.

And since this babbling nonsense tongues comes by receiving the Holy Spirit "again" which 2 Corinthians 11:1-4 warns us that it is another gospel and not of Him or even as some claim that the receiving of the Holy Ghost comes later in the life of the believer in bringing tongues as being separate from salvation, Romans 8:9 & Ephesians 1:11-15 reproves that as a lie as well.

You guys are not reading the Book of Acts right nor Paul's words in 1 Corinthians 14th chapter when you insist that tongues can be used as a prayer language when it comes with no interpretation.

You are so grossly off and in error. Amazing how in teaching us how decieved the body of Christ is,you find yourself in such gross deception.

The spirit of antichrist is here,and was here in Jesus earthly walk. What do you think is going on in America with liberals hating anything wholesome or Christian??????

But you center your attack,not on the real spirit of antichrist,but on the body of Christ.

PATHETIC.
If you believe that we are in the latter days where faith will be hard to find, then were is this happening below?

1 Timothy 4:1Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;[SUP]2 [/SUP]Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;

They had faith, and then they fell away, giving heed to seducing spirits & doctrines of devils. Where is that happening in the church if you say it is not by those movements of the spirit where saved believers think they are receiving the Holy Spirit again after a sign? How is it not hypocrisy for some that say that the Holy Spirit is in them, but they seek to receive Him again as if He is not in them?

How can you prove it and yet also abstain from all appearances of evil ? You can't.

God is not the copycat of Satan but you guys are pretty much testifying to that when you insist that God's gift of tongues of other men's lips to speak unto the people can be used as a prayer language when it comes with no interpretation.

How can you discern an occultist speaking in that same babbling tongue that you do?

How can you be sure if the occultist has repented of his former sinful life and that tongue if God's gift of tongues can be turned around to be the same babbling nonsense?

How can God call those sinners out from their spirits and the vain & profane babbling it brings if His gift of tongue is not specifically of other men's lisp to speak unto the people?

What? People falling down does not remind you of someone possessed by demons? Or having a grand maltese? Why would God imitate another fountain that is not of Him?

Proverbs 25:[SUP]26 [/SUP]A righteous man falling down before the wicked is as a troubled fountain, and a corrupt spring.[SUP]27 [/SUP]It is not good to eat much honey: so for men to search their own glory is not glory.[SUP]28 [/SUP]He that hath no rule over his own spirit is like a city that is broken down, and without walls.

Now do I not have just cause to test the spirits when we have been warned not to believe every spirit?

1 John 4:1
Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

So you are allowed to identify by the scripture what is not of Him to declare that is NOT the Holy Spirit coming over those saved believers again when He is already in then by faith in Jesus Christ. That is called defending the faith in Jesus Christ.