What is the sign for salvation.?

[Jackson123]

The children of God can see God. He is within them.

Yup, it is figurative, but non believer can not see God, some of them not believe that there is God, how they hide from God when they do not believe if there is God

 

[Rainrider]

We differ on that one hun. All Law was given By HaShem. To give one more standing that any other, is wrong on our part. After all do we not teach that teh Torah and all HaShem said to Moses, came from HaShem? So how can one separate any law from HaShem?

Ok so we already had that talk once sorry.

 

[Jackson123]

Mat 7:16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
Mat 7:17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
Mat 7:18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
Mat 7:19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
Mat 7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

Joh 13:34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.
Joh 13:35 By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.

1Co 13:4 Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,
1Co 13:5 Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil;
1Co 13:6 Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth;
1Co 13:7 Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.

Gal 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
Gal 5:17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Gal 5:23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
Gal 5:24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
Gal 5:25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.

2Ti 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

2Ti 2:22 Flee also youthful lusts: but follow righteousness, faith, charity, peace, with them that call on the Lord out of a pure heart.

1Ti 6:5 Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.
1Ti 6:6 But godliness with contentment is great gain.
1Ti 6:7 For we brought nothing into this world, and it is certain we can carry nothing out.
1Ti 6:8 And having food and raiment let us be therewith content.
1Ti 6:10 For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.

1Pe 4:3 For the time past of our life may suffice us to have wrought the will of the Gentiles, when we walked in lasciviousness, lusts, excess of wine, revellings, banquetings, and abominable idolatries:
1Pe 4:4 Wherein they think it strange that ye run not with them to the same excess of riot, speaking evil of you.

You will know the saints by their fruits,how they conduct themselves.

yup, so do you believe to be save must be perfectly sinless?

 

[Jackson123]

James 2:19

“Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.”
Just because someone says they believe don't mean they are really saved.​

is that mean believe that Jesus is God not save us?

 

[Rainrider]

is that mean believe that Jesus is God not save us?

I may be talking out of turn, in that I can't say what anyone means. Yet to answer as best I can.

Yeshua, (Jesus) and HaShem,(God ) are one in the same. It is by Him and only Him that we can find true salvation. Though I think it was being pointed out that true salvation is going to change what you do, and how you do it.

 

[Rainrider]

yup, so do you believe to be save must be perfectly sinless?

We will never be free of sin. However we must do our best to live without sin. Knowing we sin, we should be asking forgiveness every day, or if we find we did wrong, we should stop what we are doing and ask forgiveness right then.

 

[Jackson123]

My understanding on this is not a popular one, I will put that out there right now.
The idea of once saved always saved, sure sounds good. It can be shown from the Bible to at lest be a possibility. Some are bit more convincing that others on that.
Here is why I have a problem with it. If we look at Romans 11 we find,
Rom 11:19
“Well,” you may say, “those branches were broken off to make room for me.
Rom 11:20 Yes, but remember—those branches were broken off because they didn’t believe in Christ, and you are there because you do believe. So don’t think highly of yourself, but fear what could happen.
Rom 11:21 For if God did not spare the original branches, he won’t spare you either.

I am not here to debate this, I am simply offing up y idea on it. I can also take this back to the foundation of the Word, (that being the Torah), and show that it has happened in that time, so Knowing that HaShem doesn't change, it stands to reason that this is true today.
I do hope this helps, and does not become a stumbling block. I do ask that you please take what I say at lest, and study it out. Seek the truth, and the truth will shown to you.

I heard this doctrine in my church, and I hear the debate, some people agree some not, the pastor accept both side as long as they agree one thing, if a man save than he will bear the fruit, if a man not bear the fruit, than he is not save.

He doesn't care if you believe one save always save or not, if a branch not bear fruit, it will be burn, it is what bible say, burn mean hell

 

[Rainrider]

I heard this doctrine in my church, and I hear the debate, some people agree some not, the pastor accept both side as long as they agree one thing, if a man save than he will bear the fruit, if a man not bear the fruit, than he is not save.

He doesn't care if you believe one save always save or not, if a branch not bear fruit, it will be burn, it is what bible say, burn mean hell

I can understand that. At lest to a point. We always keep 2 things in mind.

Mat 7:14 But the gateway to life is very narrow and the road is difficult, and only a few ever find it.
Mat 7:21 “Not everyone who calls out to me, ‘Lord! Lord!' will enter the Kingdom of Heaven. Only those who actually do the will of my Father in heaven will enter.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

If you have never heard of Paul Washer you may want to look up some videos of him on YouTube.

https://youtu.be/IfthUJzdAWQ

Since the video was only a few minutes I listened to the video and I liked It but I didn't agree with the part at the 2:45 mark where he said "the greatest evidence you're a Christian Is the fact that you're In the WORD and GOD Is pointing out your sin"

 

[Rainrider]

Since the video was only a few minutes I listened to the video and I liked It but I didn't agree with the part at the 2:45 mark where he said "the greatest evidence you're a Christian Is the fact that you're In the WORD and GOD Is pointing out your sin"

I can see that. After all if we sin and don't see any wrong in what we do, does that not show we are of this world? Yet if we sin, and feel remorse, is that not HaShem telling us we sinned? Does that make any sense, or did I just muddy the water?

 

[WingsOfFidelity]

Since the video was only a few minutes I listened to the video and I liked It but I didn't agree with the part at the 2:45 mark where he said "the greatest evidence you're a Christian Is the fact that you're In the WORD and GOD Is pointing out your sin"

Why wouldn't you agree with that? Aren't we to study to show ourselves approved? And how can we show ourselves approved if we do not see what our own sins are?

 

[WingsOfFidelity]

is that mean believe that Jesus is God not save us?

There are many people who believe but do not have salvation. Some of these people hate the Lord instead of love him. They rather twist scripture to try turning believers away.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

I reads some people say, in my church that as soon as you believe Jesus as your savior, than you save, no matter what you do, you can kill everyday, or rape everyday as long as you believe Jesus as savior you save. But if you keep killing, you will not resieve the reward. You go to heaven because salvation not by work, but no reward.

seem to me this person believe that to get reward need work, but not for salvation

i want to hear your comment what every body believe

I see how that can be hard to understand,Paul had a hard time explaining that point also.It's the spirit that was justified and made perfect,and sealed and that's the part that GOD Is looking at and GOD Is Eternal.

Nevertheless,although we sin In the flesh,we will still go to heaven,some will get more rewards than others.

Somebody might say,how can a person do all this murder and raping,etc...and still go to heaven?

A person that Is GOD's workmanship created In CHRIST will not have a desire to do those things If they really belong to CHRIST.

 

[Rainrider]

There are many people who believe but do not have salvation. Some of these people hate the Lord instead of love him. They rather twist scripture to try turning believers away.

Even Satin knows the Word, sadly he knows it better than we do.

 

[CaptainGoat]

Even Satin knows the Word, sadly he knows it better than we do.

He has been around longer then we have!

 

[Rainrider]

He has been around longer then we have!

True, he did see every part of it as it was played out. The Lucky dog.

 

[mailmandan]

I reads some people say, in my church that as soon as you believe Jesus as your savior, than you save, no matter what you do, you can kill everyday, or rape everyday as long as you believe Jesus as savior you save.

Born of God/kill and rape everyday is an oxymoron. 1 John 3:9 - No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. 10 By this the children of God and the children of the devil are obvious: anyone who does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor the one who does not love his brother.

 

[FGT]

Yup, it is figurative, but non believer can not see God, some of them not believe that there is God, how they hide from God when they do not believe if there is God

God is truth.

 

[resurrection33]

I reads some people say, in my church that as soon as you believe Jesus as your savior, than you save, no matter what you do, you can kill everyday, or rape everyday as long as you believe Jesus as savior you save. But if you keep killing, you will not resieve the reward. You go to heaven because salvation not by work, but no reward.

seem to me this person believe that to get reward need work, but not for salvation

i want to hear your comment what every body believe

People are always throwing around the words "saved" and "salvation." Life is a day-to-day thing. When you walk with the Lord, things go well. When you don't walk with the Lord and commit sin, things can go very badly. Maybe this will help:

[17] "Yet your people say, `The way of the Lord is not just'; when it is their own way that is not just.
[18] When the righteous turns from his righteousness, and commits iniquity, he shall die for it.
[19] And when the wicked turns from his wickedness, and does what is lawful and right, he shall live by it.
[20] Yet you say, `The way of the Lord is not just.' O house of Israel, I will judge each of you according to his ways." Ezekiel 33:17-20 RSV

 

[Skinski7]

We will never be free of sin. However we must do our best to live without sin. Knowing we sin, we should be asking forgiveness every day, or if we find we did wrong, we should stop what we are doing and ask forgiveness right then.

Why does the Apostle Paul claim the opposite of what you claim?

Rom 6:22 But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.