What is the sign for salvation.?
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As to your OP, and I get what your wording is asking, though we would call it evidence of conversion instead of a sign.
The evidence is sanctification; Hebrews 12:14. Impostors (posers) go from bad to worse; 2 Timothy 3:13 and note they also deny the power of godliness; 2 Timothy 3:5, so it is apparent there was no sanctifying work in them and that they are preaching a different gospel that does not transform the person. Those in Matthew 7:21 and following didn't have any sanctifying work ongoing in their lives, therefore they were lawless, workers of iniquity.
Keep in mind there are many deceptive false gospels brother. These would preach a person can live in any manner they desire and still go on to heaven at death as per your OP. Some of these are your typical Antinomianism teachings, the false system of Free Grace Theology, and the newer "hyper" movement.
The evidence is sanctification; Hebrews 12:14. Impostors (posers) go from bad to worse; 2 Timothy 3:13 and note they also deny the power of godliness; 2 Timothy 3:5, so it is apparent there was no sanctifying work in them and that they are preaching a different gospel that does not transform the person. Those in Matthew 7:21 and following didn't have any sanctifying work ongoing in their lives, therefore they were lawless, workers of iniquity.
Keep in mind there are many deceptive false gospels brother. These would preach a person can live in any manner they desire and still go on to heaven at death as per your OP. Some of these are your typical Antinomianism teachings, the false system of Free Grace Theology, and the newer "hyper" movement.
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Yes a person that Is born of GOD has no desire to sin and does not sin In the (spirit)that was made perfect but the flesh has not yet been glorified here on this earth still In the body and does sin.
Thats why Paul wrote,by the mercies of GOD ,present your body a living sacrifice which Is a reasonable thing to do and don't conform to this world but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind so that you can prove what Is that good and acceptable and perfect will of GOD.
Thats why Paul wrote,by the mercies of GOD ,present your body a living sacrifice which Is a reasonable thing to do and don't conform to this world but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind so that you can prove what Is that good and acceptable and perfect will of GOD.
If they were born again of GOD,their spirits were made perfect and sealed,that's the part GOD looks at.
JESUS,the vine,the born of GOD people,the branches,the branches are part of the vine,GOD the Father cares for the vine and the vine Is perfect.
When GOD looks at you he sees JESUS.
JESUS provides nourishment to the branches and the branches display spiritual fruit.
JESUS,the vine,the born of GOD people,the branches,the branches are part of the vine,GOD the Father cares for the vine and the vine Is perfect.
When GOD looks at you he sees JESUS.
JESUS provides nourishment to the branches and the branches display spiritual fruit.
That idea is Gnosticism which infiltrated Christianity through the influence of Augustine.
What we do is a reflection of who we are, a reflection of our character, a reflection of what is in our heart.
A heart that is pure with the love of God written upon will not produce the fruit of sin.
This is why those whom argue in favour of ongoing wickedness in salvation, often dressed up as "sinning less," have actually bought into a counterfeit salvation where they deny heart purity.
The Apostle Paul wrote...
Tit 2:14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.
2Co 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
John wrote...
1Jn 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
One cannot be "sinning" and "saved" at the same time. Salvation is FROM sin, not in it.
If Satan can convince people of "salvation in sin" and thus give people an assurance that they are saved whilst they still work iniquity, then those people are ensnared by "ye can sin and not surely die" and are in a very dangerous position for a lie serves to immunise their mind to the truth.
What we do is a reflection of who we are, a reflection of our character, a reflection of what is in our heart.
A heart that is pure with the love of God written upon will not produce the fruit of sin.
This is why those whom argue in favour of ongoing wickedness in salvation, often dressed up as "sinning less," have actually bought into a counterfeit salvation where they deny heart purity.
The Apostle Paul wrote...
Tit 2:14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.
2Co 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
John wrote...
1Jn 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
One cannot be "sinning" and "saved" at the same time. Salvation is FROM sin, not in it.
If Satan can convince people of "salvation in sin" and thus give people an assurance that they are saved whilst they still work iniquity, then those people are ensnared by "ye can sin and not surely die" and are in a very dangerous position for a lie serves to immunise their mind to the truth.
Lot's of hypothesis brother. I don't know of such a believer. I do know, however, that David, Moses and possibly Paul all murdered. Paul's (if he did) was prior to conversion, and I fully expect to see Moses and David in heaven. Sanctification is not total sinlessness, we will never be without sin in this life. The difference is the struggle with and against sin for the believer.
A Christian does grow in grace and knowledge and will correct any behaviour wrought through ignorance.
Willful sin though is out of the question.
To willfully sin from a state of genuine salvation is to hold the grace of God which set them free in utter contempt. It is to treat the cleansing wrought through the blood as something common or cheap.
Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
Heb 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
Heb 10:28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
Heb 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
Very few believe that passage at face value because they have never truly been saved in the first place and thus willfully sin all the time. Thus a plain reading of the text makes no sense to them because it contradicts their own faith. Instead of examing what they believe they will generally choose to redefine scripture or seek out a teacher who will do it for them.
Willful sin though is out of the question.
To willfully sin from a state of genuine salvation is to hold the grace of God which set them free in utter contempt. It is to treat the cleansing wrought through the blood as something common or cheap.
Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
Heb 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
Heb 10:28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
Heb 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
Very few believe that passage at face value because they have never truly been saved in the first place and thus willfully sin all the time. Thus a plain reading of the text makes no sense to them because it contradicts their own faith. Instead of examing what they believe they will generally choose to redefine scripture or seek out a teacher who will do it for them.
You took a snippet of my post In order to make your point but even If you didn't read my whole post,Its the spirit that gives life,not the flesh.So If the person Is born of GOD and GOD Is a SPIRIT,then what part of the person sins?
BTW,your reference to James 1:14 to try to refute what I said In my post Is Incorrect anyway.
That post Is not talking about the spirit that was made perfect.
If he was made perfect,GOD made him perfect and GOD looks at the spirit,no one can relate to GOD with the flesh,as It stands right now the flesh Is weak and coming short of the glory of GOD.
Paul wrote,I delight In the law of GOD after the Inward man but I see another law In my flesh warring against the law of my mind and bringing me Into captivity to the law of sin which Is In my flesh.
Paul wrote,I delight In the law of GOD after the Inward man but I see another law In my flesh warring against the law of my mind and bringing me Into captivity to the law of sin which Is In my flesh.