what Lord told me about my anger at pastors

[Woodartdon]

Yhvh is not correctly translated as Lord. Yhvh is the sir name Of Almighty God and is pronounced Yud-heh-vev-heh. "The Complete Jewish Bible" gives a very good understanding as to the progression of Yhvh and Yeshua (Jesus)

howdy!

this is off-topic, so you can ignore it if you want... so just a question... why do you use the Yhvh for God's name? why not follow the New Testament practice of using the greek word 'lord'... not sure how to spell that greek word... something like 'kyrios' if I remember

 

[breno785au]

hmm, i wonder. If so many people think that so many pastors are doing such a bad job, and that they themselves are right, why don't they step up to the task?

 

[Woodartdon]

I simply disagree with the angry God picture painted by your words here. Have you not read God desires compassion not sacrifice.

"These idols eat away at the spirit of pastors and elders until they no longer hear the voice of Yhvh, but instead listen only to the spirit of their hearts." This has been my experience: when church leaders start focusing on things like money, the first thing to go (and the first thing they'll start hating) is the voice of the Lord.

Sirk, it's okay to paint with a broad brush actually. Only in our permissive times did it become a bad thing. God paints this way often, both in the OT and NT. When God destroyed cities and nations, He didn't stop to tell the Israelis to leave the innocent babies and animals unharmed. In Jer. 6:10-11 and 8:13-14, God paints it really broad: "From the least of them even to the greatest, EVERYONE is given to covetousness, and from the prophet to the priest, EVERYONE deals falsely. They have also healed the hurt of My people slightly saying, 'Peace, peace' when there is no peace." We may say that practically everyone at the time fit that; but Jesus had followers who were Pharisees... yet He painted all Pharisees with a broad brush. If we think this broad brush of judgment only applied under the Old Covenant, let's look at the broad brush in the NT:

"Then Jesus spoke to the multitudes and to His disciples, saying: 'The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat. Therefore whatever they tell you to observe, that observe and do, but do not do according to their works; for they say, and do not do. For they bind heavy burdens, hard to bear, and lay them on men’s shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers. But all their works they do to be seen by men. They make their phylacteries broad and enlarge the borders of their garments. They love the best places at feasts, the best seats in the synagogues, greetings in the marketplaces, and to be called by men, "Rabbi, Rabbi".’" (Matt. 23.)

From there, Jesus pronounced seven woes on the Pharisees as a whole; He didn't name Nicodemus, Joseph of Arimathea, or any of the other Pharisees who believed. This is because the broad brush and generalizing was always firstly meant to cover what it applied to and to leave out what it didn't apply to.

God pronounced judgment on all of Sodom and Gomorrah and on other nations without stopping to tell us all the little children or other people who were innocent. We can't always pick and choose or be delicate with the Word; it has to be thrown out like a net so that it catches the fish it catches and the ones it doesn't don't therefore fit or apply. A certain sower went out to sow seed, and he scattered the seed here and there; he didn't take time to set each seed in a certain place as that's impractical and would take forever. Often when the Word is preached or spoken, it doesn't need to be and shouldn't be qualified: scatter it and let it fall where it will. Wherever it applies, it will adhere, and wherever it doesn't, it won't stick. Let the Holy Spirit be the One who divides things to each person; but let people spread the seed as is natural. Fear of 'broad brushing' and generalizing is man-made (man made it so that judgment had to be precise with pointing fingers which can't point at many simultaneously... but a broad stroke, brush, or indication can); God does it all the time. Let the seed fall where it will and God, who alone knows what applies to who, will apply it to those to whom it applies.

 

[Woodartdon]

May God bless you and yours.

Hello Woodartdon. We all know that these things go on in all churches, what ever religion, faiths, or beliefs you are currently serving at. and without realizing, you could be painting a broad picture and many people may take offense. It would be wise for you not to get caught up in there doings if they are doing wrong. Let God deal with them, but love them in God's love and focus on your own journey. yes you will see many agreements and disagreements no matter church you go to. You tell me were is a perfect church? and I will go to it. Let God deal with each person individually, and you concentrate on your own journey with God.

Pastors, deacons, leaders, elders or what ever titles they have, have one common thing with you all, It's called being human, not everyone can be right all the time, and of course as you kn ow, we ALL make mistakes, so if a pastor is somewhat making you anger, then wouldn't be better to pull him aside, and have a quiet word, not to express your anger, but to share your anger and reasons why you are angry? If you believe in God's wisdom, he will give you the right words to say and even ask. but at least then you are therefore approaching the situation a more Godly way, rather talking behind his back on a Christian website.

God is a good God, people should trust him once in a while, don't you think? Even though that pastors, deacons, leaders and elders all have titles, they are still our brothers in Christ. A few scriptures to ponder over:

Luke 17:3 Pay attention to yourselves! If your brother sins, rebuke him, and if he repents, forgive him,

Matthew 18:15 If your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault, between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have gained your brother.

Luke 17:4 And if he sins against you seven times in the day, and turns to you seven times, saying, ‘I repent,’ you must forgive him.

Just a few scriptures for you to ponder over. God bless. I hope there can be peace between you and your pastor.

 

[Woodartdon]

I must list this as the most lacking reply of them all, as it was often Paul casting comments to the Pharisees after being saved or are you saying once a Pharisee always a Pharisee?

Paul was a Pharisee and was set for life before meeting Christ. He later learned the trade of tentmaker so he could pay his own way. Paul was the Mediterranean conference pastor and I don't think he had a salary and a 401k. Just sayin.

 

[Sirk]

I must list this as the most lacking reply of them all, as it was often Paul casting comments to the Pharisees after being saved or are you saying once a Pharisee always a Pharisee?

I think you misunderstand my comment completely.

 

[Woodartdon]

I am sorry to misunderstand, possibly you could clarify?

I think you misunderstand my comment completely.

 

[Sirk]

Paul worked his butt off and insisted on paying his own way.

 

[Allin]

I simply disagree with the angry God picture painted by your words here. Have you not read God desires compassion not sacrifice.

I've heard about an angry OT God many times. I have never been able to find him in the pages of any Bible.

 

[phil112]

I've heard about an angry OT God many times. I have never been able to find him in the pages of any Bible.

Perhaps you should read your bible more.

Therefore thus saith the Lord God of Israel, Behold, I am bringing such evil upon Jerusalem and Judah, that whosoever heareth of it, both his ears shall tingle. And I will stretch over Jerusalem the line of Samaria, and the plummet of the house of Ahab: and I will wipe Jerusalem as a man wipeth a dish, wiping it, and turning it upside down.
And I will forsake the remnant of mine inheritance, and deliver them into the hand of their enemies; and they shall become a prey and a spoil to all their enemies;
Because they have done that which was evil in my sight, and have provoked me to anger, since the day their fathers came forth out of Egypt, even unto this day.

 

[ob77]

I should mention that the Pharisees and scribes and teachers of the Law of Jesus' time were His day's pastors and ministers; yet, He painted them all with a broad brush of being hypocrites. While we may think we know that our Christian leaders, Christian friends, and others have a relationship with the Lord, the Bible says, "The Lord knows those who are His." Until we exercise and see by discernment, only Jesus really knows who follows Him. I like police because of what they represent (authority for good); but I don't like the way they are trained (I won't go into it). In the same way, though hasn't pastors today have good hearts, the way they are trained, by seminary or experience or the people, tends to lead away from God and not to Him.

The scribes and Pharisees were Kenites and Christ accused them of being so. They had usurped their authority, just as they do now. They had no legal or moral or birthright to the word. They taught not the word of God, but the word of their traditions.

 

[Kerry]

Maybe your angry with your pastor cause he told you the truth and you didn't like it.

 

[ob77]

howdy!

this is off-topic, so you can ignore it if you want... so just a question... why do you use the Yhvh for God's name? why not follow the New Testament practice of using the greek word 'lord'... not sure how to spell that greek word... something like 'kyrios' if I remember

Excellent question! Not only was the word "Lord" used of Yahveh, but it was used of Baal as well. If you look up the word Baal, you will find the word lord. When Eve said "I have gotten a man from the lord", which was Cain, that word "Lord" there, was actually Baal, another name for Satan. After Cain slew Abel, it says the "Lord" will place a mark upon him so others would wish to kill him, then the "Lord" says that anyone who wishes ill against Cain would suffer seven times punishment.
Well, Yahveh, put the mark on him and Baal, wishing to protect his own seed promised protection. The translators are sneaky. The word "Lord" is a word to watch out for.

 

[ob77]

Perhaps you should read your bible more.

Here, here. ( I would have clicked "Like", but it was not an option.) Too few people recognize that Our Father has emotion, but to express love, one must also express other emotions such as anger and disappointment.

 

[ob77]

I think you misunderstand my comment completely.

There were true Pharisees and false Pharisees. There were only 27 true Pharisees in the San Hedron at the time of Christ's hurried trial, all the rest were Kenites.

 

[ob77]

hmm, i wonder. If so many people think that so many pastors are doing such a bad job, and that they themselves are right, why don't they step up to the task?

We are too busy working to pay taxes to give to those who do not work, that is why.

 

[ob77]

We are too busy working to pay taxes to give to those who do not work, that is why.

Something else as well.....One cannot preach Jesus Christ, as He taught without coming under attack. You see, now days we have to accept everything and everyone. Christ did not. So, if you teach Jesus Christ, as He taught, you will have a bullseye painted on your back.

 

[Sirk]

There were true Pharisees and false Pharisees. There were only 27 true Pharisees in the San Hedron at the time of Christ's hurried trial, all the rest were Kenites.

Wow that is interesting. Can you point me in a direction to learn more about this?

 

[ob77]

Yhvh is not correctly translated as Lord. Yhvh is the sir name Of Almighty God and is pronounced Yud-heh-vev-heh. "The Complete Jewish Bible" gives a very good understanding as to the progression of Yhvh and Yeshua (Jesus)

The complete Jewish Bible? You must mean the Talmud, which is what they use. I am fortunate not to have it.

 

[Nancyer]

I guess I've been very blessed. I've had two pastors at my church since I started attending 5 years ago and both have been wonderful. Caring, giving, men of God. Each worked in different ways, had different strengths, but each has been very influential I my spiritual growth and learning. I am ever so grateful to God to have learned from these two pastors.

We must also remember that to have a church the bills have to be paid. Churches, big, small and in between are not exempt from electric bills, heating and cooling bills, repair costs, maintenance costs, etc. My church is currently waiting on parts for our copier. Copying last weeks bulletins for Maundy Thursday, Good Friday, Sunrise Service and Traditional Sunday Service cost us $60 and we provided the paper. And this had to be ok'd someone on the finance committee. Pastors have to be able to help bring in money, increase giving and fund raising efforts. If you have a way around this please don't keep it to yourself.