What of the dinosaurs?

[Timeline]

I amazed what people will read into the Bible to try to make it compatible with modern naturalistic ideas of origins.

No Timeline, there is no gap between Genesis 1:1 and 1:2 to fit your millions of years. Your view is not compatible with Ex. 20:11. Rather than trying to harmonize the Bible with science, read it and trust what it says. Then you can judge the validity of modern humanistic ideas.

You might try reading what I wrote again. I did not try to fit a gap into Genesis.

I said that the bible says that the earth was here before Genesis starts recording:

In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. [SUP]2 [/SUP]The earth was formless and void, and darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was moving over the surface of the waters. [SUP]3 [/SUP]Then God said, “Let there be light”; and there was light. [SUP]4 [/SUP]God saw that the light was good; and God separated the light from the darkness. [SUP]5 [/SUP]God called the light day, and the darkness He called night. And there was evening and there was morning, one day.

Most people say that Light was created on the first day, but Light caused the first day. When we read "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth" we assume that Light was created immediately after. The Bible does not say that. It just says that God created it in the beginning. There was no day until God created Light.

I don't care to fit anything into science, because science is only man's limited understanding and assumptions. All that I am saying is that the Bible is less than clear about when the "beginning" was. But I do believe that it is clear enough for us to understand that animals have not been evolving for millions of years. They were created approximately 6,000 years ago and have "evolved" significantly less than scientists suggest. I believe that living things do adapt - some.

And as I have said before, the days of creation were 24 hour days - Not millions of years.

 

[Kerry]

So in the beginning God created the heavens and the Earth, but messed up and on the first day recreated the Earth gimme a break. The heavens means the sun and the stars, yet it was the fourth day. Guess God goofed.

 

[Kerry]

Why did God create An Earth that was without form and full of darkness? It just don't make since and if you look at the Hebrew it hints that it became void and full of darkness. Then read Jeremiah 35.

 

[Timeline]

Jeremiah 4:
[SUP]11 [/SUP]In that time it will be said to this people and to Jerusalem, “A scorching wind from the bare heights in the wilderness in the direction of the daughter of My people—not to winnow and not to cleanse, [SUP]12 [/SUP]a wind too strong for this—will come at My command; now I will also pronounce judgments against them.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]“Behold, he goes up like clouds,
And his chariots like the whirlwind;
His horses are swifter than eagles.
Woe to us, for we are ruined!”

[SUP]14 [/SUP]Wash your heart from evil, O Jerusalem,
That you may be saved.
How long will your wicked thoughts
Lodge within you?
[SUP]15 [/SUP]For a voice declares from Dan,
And proclaims wickedness from Mount Ephraim.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]“Report it to the nations, now!
Proclaim over Jerusalem,
‘Besiegers come from a far country,
And lift their voices against the cities of Judah.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]‘Like watchmen of a field they are against her round about,
Because she has rebelled against Me,’ declares the Lord.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]“Your ways and your deeds
Have brought these things to you.
This is your evil. How bitter!
How it has touched your heart!”


[SUP]19 [/SUP]My soul, my soul! I am in anguish! Oh, my heart!
My heart is pounding in me;
I cannot be silent,
Because you have heard, O my soul,
The sound of the trumpet,
The alarm of war.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]Disaster on disaster is proclaimed,
For the whole land is devastated;
Suddenly my tents are devastated,
My curtains in an instant.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]How long must I see the standard
And hear the sound of the trumpet?
[SUP]22 [/SUP]“For My people are foolish,
They know Me not;
They are stupid children
And have no understanding.
They are shrewd to do evil,
But to do good they do not know.”

[SUP]23 [/SUP]I looked on the earth, and behold, it was formless and void;
And to the heavens, and they had no light.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]I looked on the mountains, and behold, they were quaking,
And all the hills moved to and fro.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]I looked, and behold, there was no man,
And all the birds of the heavens had fled.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]I looked, and behold, the fruitful land was a wilderness,
And all its cities were pulled down
Before the Lord, before His fierce anger.

[SUP]27 [/SUP]For thus says the Lord,
“The whole land shall be a desolation,
Yet I will not execute a complete destruction.
[SUP]28 [/SUP]“For this the earth shall mourn
And the heavens above be dark,
Because I have spoken, I have purposed,
And I will not change My mind, nor will I turn from it.”
[SUP]29 [/SUP]At the sound of the horseman and bowman every city flees;
They go into the thickets and climb among the rocks;
Every city is forsaken,
And no man dwells in them.
[SUP]30 [/SUP]And you, O desolate one, what will you do?
Although you dress in scarlet,
Although you decorate yourself with ornaments of gold,
Although you enlarge your eyes with paint,
In vain you make yourself beautiful.
Your lovers despise you;
They seek your life.
[SUP]31 [/SUP]For I heard a cry as of a woman in labor,
The anguish as of one giving birth to her first child,
The cry of the daughter of Zion gasping for breath,
Stretching out her hands, saying,
“Ah, woe is me, for I faint before murderers.”

I looked on the earth, and behold, it was formless and void;
And to the heavens, and they had no light.

Does that sound familiar? And don't try to tell me that it is a flashback, unless you can reasonably prove it.

 

[Timeline]

I am not trying to make the earth older or younger. I just try not to know so much that it prevents me from learning. When we start thinking that we know something, that we do not know, we limit our ability to learn something that is true.

I have learned many things from reading the Bible. But I have also learned that I don't know a lot of things that I thought I knew.

And just to be clear, I never said that God messed up! All I am saying is that I don't assume that this is Earth's first go around. I realize that I don't know whether or not God has done this before. He has always existed. I think we agree on that. So there has been more than enough "time" for Him to have done this many times. I am not saying that He has, just that it is possible. And ultimately, it does not matter. We are to serve Him and, as you say, "Look to the cross".

 

[Kerry]

Jeremiah 4:
[SUP]11 [/SUP]In that time it will be said to this people and to Jerusalem, “A scorching wind from the bare heights in the wilderness in the direction of the daughter of My people—not to winnow and not to cleanse, [SUP]12 [/SUP]a wind too strong for this—will come at My command; now I will also pronounce judgments against them.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]“Behold, he goes up like clouds,
And his chariots like the whirlwind;
His horses are swifter than eagles.
Woe to us, for we are ruined!”

[SUP]14 [/SUP]Wash your heart from evil, O Jerusalem,
That you may be saved.
How long will your wicked thoughts
Lodge within you?
[SUP]15 [/SUP]For a voice declares from Dan,
And proclaims wickedness from Mount Ephraim.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]“Report it to the nations, now!
Proclaim over Jerusalem,
‘Besiegers come from a far country,
And lift their voices against the cities of Judah.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]‘Like watchmen of a field they are against her round about,
Because she has rebelled against Me,’ declares the Lord.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]“Your ways and your deeds
Have brought these things to you.
This is your evil. How bitter!
How it has touched your heart!”


[SUP]19 [/SUP]My soul, my soul! I am in anguish! Oh, my heart!
My heart is pounding in me;
I cannot be silent,
Because you have heard, O my soul,
The sound of the trumpet,
The alarm of war.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]Disaster on disaster is proclaimed,
For the whole land is devastated;
Suddenly my tents are devastated,
My curtains in an instant.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]How long must I see the standard
And hear the sound of the trumpet?
[SUP]22 [/SUP]“For My people are foolish,
They know Me not;
They are stupid children
And have no understanding.
They are shrewd to do evil,
But to do good they do not know.”

[SUP]23 [/SUP]I looked on the earth, and behold, it was formless and void;
And to the heavens, and they had no light.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]I looked on the mountains, and behold, they were quaking,
And all the hills moved to and fro.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]I looked, and behold, there was no man,
And all the birds of the heavens had fled.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]I looked, and behold, the fruitful land was a wilderness,
And all its cities were pulled down
Before the Lord, before His fierce anger.

[SUP]27 [/SUP]For thus says the Lord,
“The whole land shall be a desolation,
Yet I will not execute a complete destruction.
[SUP]28 [/SUP]“For this the earth shall mourn
And the heavens above be dark,
Because I have spoken, I have purposed,
And I will not change My mind, nor will I turn from it.”
[SUP]29 [/SUP]At the sound of the horseman and bowman every city flees;
They go into the thickets and climb among the rocks;
Every city is forsaken,
And no man dwells in them.
[SUP]30 [/SUP]And you, O desolate one, what will you do?
Although you dress in scarlet,
Although you decorate yourself with ornaments of gold,
Although you enlarge your eyes with paint,
In vain you make yourself beautiful.
Your lovers despise you;
They seek your life.
[SUP]31 [/SUP]For I heard a cry as of a woman in labor,
The anguish as of one giving birth to her first child,
The cry of the daughter of Zion gasping for breath,
Stretching out her hands, saying,
“Ah, woe is me, for I faint before murderers.”

I looked on the earth, and behold, it was formless and void;
And to the heavens, and they had no light.

Does that sound familiar? And don't try to tell me that it is a flashback, unless you can reasonably prove it.

You corrected me on the location of the passage, thank you. but when was there no man since on the sixth day God created man and how could their be cities if there was no man? Oh and no light?

 

[GodIsSalvation]

It is not only the dentition that would have to change on all predatory animals but their intestinal tracts as well. Bone structure would have to be redesigned to support the changes (carnivores have much different intestinal tracts than do herbivores). We should also see a change in the DNA after the Fall of Man.


What purpose then was the Garden of Eden? If animals didn't eat then neither did humans, yet that is not what Genesis says. Of course the animals ate. To think otherwise is absurd.

Yes I agree on how one would expect certain design changes to reflect how such creature is to behave. As for a theoretical DNA change after the Fall, I'd agree there would have been one, and we know today there are several genes all humans have that are never activated which implies proof of the same. Even prior to the Flood and afterwards one would expect a genetic change in man due to the drastic change in the environment and also when God purposes to reduce the natural lifespan of mankind, and in fact this also has been proven in this day and age with the Neanderthals/Super-Centenarians and how they are fully humans, but with very slight genetic differences. That's what I was meaning with how Genesis is more provable today than ever before. It's really exciting stuff.

Secondly, purpose of Garden of Eden was a paradise-like inhabitation for mankind. It says man was able to eat of any tree of the garden so long as he ate not of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil. Does not say mankind was forced to eat to survive, which implies such an activity be for fun, enjoyment, and praise of the Creator. As for the animals we're not told directly what they were doing so much, so that's where one delves into realm of theory. Think logically though, if death had not enterred the world then animals would not have to eat. Creatures like lions could theoretically just stand around looking cool and doing whatever man or God tells them to do. Lol I do know it sounds absurd at first, but that's only from the point of view of mortality. It is not logical to assume mortal paradigms for a state of immortality.

 

[Cycel]

It is not only the dentition that would have to change on all predatory animals but their intestinal tracts as well. Bone structure would have to be redesigned to support the changes (carnivores have much different intestinal tracts than do herbivores)....

I would like to view those transitional fossils showing changes in intestines. Where are they?

Changing the subject?

You people are the ones claiming animals didn't have to eat before the Fall, or that if they did eat they were all herbivores. So prove it with fossil remains. I am sure I don't have to prove to you that the intestinal tracts of cows are different from those of cats. Claiming animals did not eat is absurd. Similarly, arguing that animals like T-rex and saber-tooth cats ate only grass or leaves is equally nonsensical. If your assertions are true then the animal kingdom would have had to be redesigned from the ground up after the Fall. Prove it with fossils, with the physical remains of the animals living before the Fall. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

PS. We both know that no such fossils exist. We both know there is no physical evidence for the claims you are making. I don’t expect you to look for evidence that is not there. So I understand why you turned instead to attacking evolution. It was the only recourse open to you. Oh, it just occurred to me. You could simply conceded to the obvious.

 

[Timeline]

You corrected me on the location of the passage, thank you. but when was there no man since on the sixth day God created man and how could their be cities if there was no man? Oh and no light?

You're going to need to explain your question/comment better so that I will know how to respond. I think I know what you are saying, but need clarification.

 

[Word_Swordsman]

Jeremiah 4:

.........................I looked on the earth, and behold, it was formless and void;
And to the heavens, and they had no light.

Does that sound familiar? And don't try to tell me that it is a flashback, unless you can reasonably prove it.

That passage had nothing to do with Gen.1. Jeremiah was foretelling of a terrible wasting of Judah and Jerusalem in particular if the Jews refused to repent. They refused, and the land was wasted by the Babylonians. That invasion was a time of great darkness in many ways. The proper use of that verse is to take it within the context of the chapter, actually the whole book. It makes more sense when studying the history of the Babylonian captivity. A remnant of he Jews finally returned to a jaw-dropping sight, just as Jeremiah said would happen.

I'm offering some clarity for you and Kerry both. That use of Jeremiah and considering the faulty Gap theory are not related by fact.

 

[JackH]

Wrong! They struck down a state act that required public schools to teach both views of origins.

The state act in question, known as the Creation Act, required that creation science be taught in public schools along with evolution.

That was struck down as unconstitutional by the Supreme Court.

As a result of that decision creation science is not generally taught in public schools in the United States.

Right?

If you think otherwise, tell me exactly where creation science is taught in the United States. Notice I said generally. Of course, YECs are constantly scheming to circumvent the law and get creation science taught in one devious way or another. With not much success.

Personally, I would appreciate it if you would refrain from copying and pasting around 2,000 words of YEC/ICR propaganda in your posts, like this one.

 

[JackH]

Changing the subject?

You people are the ones claiming animals didn't have to eat before the Fall, or that if they did eat they were all herbivores. So prove it with fossil remains. I am sure I don't have to prove to you that the intestinal tracts of cows are different from those of cats. Claiming animals did not eat is absurd. Similarly, arguing that animals like T-rex and saber-tooth cats ate only grass or leaves is equally nonsensical. If your assertions are true then the animal kingdom would have had to be redesigned from the ground up after the Fall. Prove it with fossils, with the physical remains of the animals living before the Fall. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

PS. We both know that no such fossils exist. We both know there is no physical evidence for the claims you are making. I don’t expect you to look for evidence that is not there. So I understand why you turned instead to attacking evolution. It was the only recourse open to you. Oh, it just occurred to me. You could simply conceded to the obvious.

Exactly.

Prove it with fossils, YECs. Without lying or displaying a willful ignorance of all things scientific.

 

[Word_Swordsman]

Changing the subject?

You people are the ones claiming animals didn't have to eat before the Fall, or that if they did eat they were all herbivores. So prove it with fossil remains. I am sure I don't have to prove to you that the intestinal tracts of cows are different from those of cats. Claiming animals did not eat is absurd. Similarly, arguing that animals like T-rex and saber-tooth cats ate only grass or leaves is equally nonsensical. If your assertions are true then the animal kingdom would have had to be redesigned from the ground up after the Fall. Prove it with fossils, with the physical remains of the animals living before the Fall. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

PS. We both know that no such fossils exist. We both know there is no physical evidence for the claims you are making. I don’t expect you to look for evidence that is not there. So I understand why you turned instead to attacking evolution. It was the only recourse open to you. Oh, it just occurred to me. You could simply conceded to the obvious.

I am right now once again exposing the shallow depth of evolutionary thinking. Of course there are no intermediate fossils. If they existed they would have to outnumber the ones we do have under study. The fossils we have are mostly from Cambrian which provides an enormous assortment of species (kinds) within inches of each other. That demonstrates the genetic diversity that was created all at once. What evolutionists say about the Cambrian being 500 million years old now conflicts with that fact. Those life-forms existed together without such time requirement to evolve.

You have no evidence of those diets. You are speculating on the basis of dentition. I have posed departures from such speculations that shows improper assumption of diets based on teeth alone. If and when a few hundred well preserved dinosaurs presumed to be predatory based on their teeth also hold fossilized intestines with food in various stages of digestion, then such associations can be scientifically made. That might not be far away considering the several species of dinosaurs being found with organic material like DNA in their bone marrow, not just T. rex.

For those believing the Bible is true, that there is no false myth in Genesis, the whole of this becomes simple. God put plant life a day ahead of animals, which came a day ahead of man. Then God said Genesis 1:29-31 (KJV)
[SUP]29 [/SUP] And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
[SUP]30 [/SUP] And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.
[SUP]31 [/SUP] And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
God had not provided for predation. Sin and death brought about that necessity. God didn't create those problems. He warned that would come about by sin, at the hands of men, in league with Satan. Knowing that would happen God put in every creature the genetic ability to adapt within bounds of DNA programming. We are learning that adaptability was much stronger in the beginning, with more potential variation within kinds than today. The difference has been shaped by mutations, perversions of cell, plus the mandate for change for a species to survive. The ones that were mandated to change beyond their genetic capability are extinct.

Now go look at existing photos of actual dentition of fossils with objectivity, allowing for the possibility most dinosaurs had a variety of tooth types to enable eating almost anything. I will caution that most images are artist conceptions, drawings, that can't be validated. Many are based on a single tooth from one fossil representative without a full set of teeth.

Today's predators have canine teeth like fossil predators, but also incisors, and tigers have molars for chewing, though they are not like a goat's molars. From Wikipedia "Although almost exclusively carnivorous, tigers will occasionally eat vegetation for dietary fibre. The fruit of the slow match tree is a favorite." Dogs do that too. Obviously their intestines are provisioned to handle vegetation. They were probably created that way. Tiger food includes this:

 

[Cycel]

Inca burial stones where 1/3 of them have dinosaurs craved on them.

The Ica stones (not Inca) are forgeries. They were crafted by a number of poor farmers living in Ica province, Peru, who made more money selling the stones to tourists and collectors of curiosities than they could make by farming.

"In 1973 during an interview with Erich von Däniken, Uschuya stated he had faked the stones that he had sold. In 1975 Uschuya and another farmer named Irma Gutierrez de Aparcana confirmed that they had forged the stones they gave to Cabrera by copying the images from comic books, text books and magazines." (Wikipedia: Ica_stones)

Note: this explains why the images of dinosaurs on the stones are in the older artistic style of the 1960s and earlier.

Craving on ancient Hindu temple in Cambodia, eta, etc, etc. The proof goes on but proving dinosaurs and man existed together after the flood.

Go back and look at the temple stone with the dinosaur carving. It is a different colour than the adjacent stones. The picture has been photo-shopped.

You want to believe dinosaurs lived contemporaneously with humans. I understand that. I once believed in ghosts and accepted, uncritically, all such claims. This is what you are doing with dinosaurs. You should try investigating the source of these claims yourself. If you rely only on those sites, or books, that pander to such claims you will never discover the alternative interpretation.

 

[Cycel]

I am right now once again exposing the shallow depth of evolutionary thinking. Of course there are no intermediate fossils. If they existed they would have to outnumber the ones we do have under study.

Any evolutionary scientist, or evolutionary buff, will tell you there are numerous intermediary fossils. The problem is when shown them the creationists always deny that these are intermediary. I have had this discussion on other religious forums and I run into the same problem all the time. The claim is always made that my examples are not intermediaries. What are they then? Well, say the creationists, they are just examples of other kinds of now extinct animals.

How to get around this problem of constant denial by the vociferous opponents of evolution? I think I have the solution. Since creationists claim to immediately recognize that my examples are only other kinds of animals they must then know the difference between an intermediary fossil and one that is not intermediary. I will ask you, Word_Swordsman (or any other evolution denier), to provide me with the definition of an intermediary fossil. Once you have defined the perimeters of what it must look like, I will then do my best to give you an example that meets the criteria.

 

[Cycel]

The fossils we have are mostly from Cambrian...

The Cambrian period ended 485 million years ago. Most of our fossils come from before 485 million years ago??? I believe this statement you led with is false.

The fossils we have are mostly from Cambrian which provides an enormous assortment of species (kinds) within inches of each other. That demonstrates the genetic diversity that was created all at once. What evolutionists say about the Cambrian being 500 million years old now conflicts with that fact. Those life-forms existed together without such time requirement to evolve.

I think you are trying to sound as if you know what you are talking about, but you are coming across garbled. Would you mind restating?

 

[Cycel]

You have no evidence of those diets. You are speculating on the basis of dentition. I have posed departures from such speculations that shows improper assumption of diets based on teeth alone. If and when a few hundred well preserved dinosaurs presumed to be predatory based on their teeth also hold fossilized intestines with food in various stages of digestion, then such associations can be scientifically made.

Perhaps you are not aware. A number of fossils have been found showing predators with their recently eaten prey in their stomachs, but I see you want hundreds of examples. You want to make this as impossible to achieve as possible.

 

[Word_Swordsman]

You might try reading what I wrote again. I did not try to fit a gap into Genesis.

I said that the bible says that the earth was here before Genesis starts recording:

In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. [SUP]2 [/SUP]The earth was formless and void, and darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was moving over the surface of the waters. [SUP]3 [/SUP]Then God said, “Let there be light”; and there was light. [SUP]4 [/SUP]God saw that the light was good; and God separated the light from the darkness. [SUP]5 [/SUP]God called the light day, and the darkness He called night. And there was evening and there was morning, one day.

Most people say that Light was created on the first day, but Light caused the first day. When we read "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth" we assume that Light was created immediately after. The Bible does not say that. It just says that God created it in the beginning. There was no day until God created Light.

I don't care to fit anything into science, because science is only man's limited understanding and assumptions. All that I am saying is that the Bible is less than clear about when the "beginning" was. But I do believe that it is clear enough for us to understand that animals have not been evolving for millions of years. They were created approximately 6,000 years ago and have "evolved" significantly less than scientists suggest. I believe that living things do adapt - some.

And as I have said before, the days of creation were 24 hour days - Not millions of years.

The making of a planet isn't like that of a star like our sun. The sun required a fusion startup process, while the earth hada much different building process. The "heavens" concept in Gen 1:1 is being touted in modern terms as a vast cloud of matter that collects into many planetary bodies. Dr. Jason Lisle, Director of Research at ICR.org, specializing in physics, astronomy, astrophysics, and apologetics can better explain those concepts. If you are ever passing through Dallas TX on vacation try to visit their office, labs and staff about 5 miles NW of Dallas Love Field Airport for an exciting experience.

There is not yet found a shred of evidence of life in the stratigraphic "column" named Precambrian/Archean, what existed of earth's surface before the Precambrian/Proterozoic supposedly starting off with bacteria, algae, etc. Of the Cambrian period and it's explosion of life forms we recognize today comes an obvious witness of a sudden appearance of wide variety or plants and animals that doesn't require believing the Bible to conclude evolution didn't have the supposed long millions of years to evolve into more complex forms in defiance of the second law of thermodynamics. The earliest life forms possessed the maximum potential of cellular complexity, entropy (usable energy only decreases, while unusable energy always increases) has been winding life on earth down from Zero Entropy. That helps explain why nature can't sustain all life forms indefinitely, and explains why organisms don't get more complex.

Taking such things together there is no scientific evidence for the Gap Theory. It was invented as a reaction of Bible scholars to the emerging threat of the evolution theory, which was and still is technically an hypothesis, not achieving theory status, and certainly not inspiring a new law of nature. The reason is that concept can't be observed, nor can it be repeated for observation like with real science investigation. We can't reenact creation either. But common sense good science fairly interpreting what data we do have leads more intelligently to elaborate design and high order rather than randomness and accident of nature.

The ill-conceived Gap Theory has it that an original earth long before Genesis 1 was the domain of Satan, the fallen "Lucifer" who before that time was kicked out of Heaven, who ruled "pre-Adamites" on earth, an earlier model of humanity. That was the time when dinosaurs were contemporary with those "people". It became so wicked that the earth had to be destroyed in a great flood, whatever light they had snuffed out. That left Satan entombed in the wet darkness. The fossil record disproves all that. The dispute of CvE is mainly over dates fossils formed. There is no fossil evidence supporting life at all before the oldest known geologic period. There are a few references in the Bible to a flood some say was that most ancient one before the flood of Noah's time. But the context of those passages clearly indicates the destruction was that described in Gen 7-8. It is quite absurd that such a destruction before Gen 1:1 could have any meaning for man in Bible times or today. The one Noah survived was suffient for instruction and warning for man to repent and remain accountable to God.

 

[Bride]

They were created approximately 6,000 years ago.
And as I have said before, the days of creation were 24 hour days - Not millions of years.

I would like fellow scientists to know that this is not a "Christian" sentiment. It is this man's personal belief, and I'd hope that no one would categorize all Christians in a general sweep as though a common teaching amongst us.

I don't mind that their faith precludes reasonable Bible study and common sense and knowledge of that which they argue against, because their faith is crucial for the more important thing, in the Resurrection of Jesus Christ the Son of God. So what if that faith causes them to throw out the scriptural "day = 1000 years" principal? Or prevents knowing the old earth through geology and archaeology. A lack of comprehension of these things isn't all that important I don't think. It might be important to their faith, or else their world might not withstand being rocked with knowing in their flesh that millions of years of gone by in this old world as "a day of creation" to God.
For the rest of us, the majority of Christians, we understand that millions of years have elapsed, that God created each of the species in His way, and that discoveries in science don't conflict with scriptures not one whit.
I love science. I love the Bible. I know that a day in Genesis is thousands and thousands of years, just as it is in other parts of the Bible consistently. It's really pretty simple and fun to know the discoveries in the strata and fossils. I know one day I'll be back there millions of years ago seeing it all happens until that meteor hit and wiped them all out. It is all academic. It is all fine with scriptures. It is all fine with me
Peace!

 

[just-me]

Here is something I have never been able to figure out. Dinosaur fossils have been found for a very long time and according to todays science they are thousands possibly millions of years old. But I don't get it, the bible doesn't speak of T rex's attacking ppl. When exactly did they roam the earth? because God created the earth in seven days on the sixth day created man okay so did the dinosaurs go around eating mankind from the very creation of the world then one day were wiped out?

If I was in a debate with an athiest trying to get him to accept God and he brought this up I would be clueless

All I have to say is that there were no dinosaurs carried in the ark that God told Noah to build. The other thing I understand is that the fallen angles corrupted the earth so bad that if God wouldn't have intervened with the flood, the earth, and its ecological system (according to God's creation) would have been totally ruined. It was to the point that the earth would not be able to sustain life. I doubt that God created dinosaurs even though there is poof that they really did exist. Giants were something else that God never created in those 6 days. Satan can use God's creation and alter it, for he has the power to distort, deceive, and make things out of what already exists. He cannot create something from nothing as God can.

Genesis 6:11-12
11 The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence.
12 And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth.

corrupt=7843 shachath shaw-khath' a primitive root; to decay, i.e. (causatively) ruin (literally or figuratively):--batter, cast off, corrupt(-er, thing), destroy(-er, -uction), lose, mar, perish, spill, spoiler, X utterly, waste(-r).