What was the "different gospel" in Galatians 1:6?l
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and since this prophecy has not yet been fulfilled, what do you take this part highlighted in blue to mean?
Malachi/Malakyah 4:1-4, “For look, the day shall come, burning like a furnace, and all the proud, and every wrongdoer shall be stubble. And the day that shall come shall burn them up,” said יהוה of hosts, “which leaves to them neither root nor branch. 2 “But to you who fear My Name the Sun of Righteousness shall arise with healing in His wings. And you shall go out and leap for joy like calves from the stall. 3 “And you shall trample the wrongdoers, for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet on the day that I do this,” said יהוה of hosts. 4 “Remember the Torah of Mosheh, My servant, which I commanded him in Ḥorĕḇ for all Yisra’ĕl – laws and right-rulings."
If Paul is correct all in Messiah ARE ISRAYL:
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 9:6-8, "However, it is not as though YHWH's plan had failed. For it is not everyone who is a descendant of Yisra’yl who belongs to Yisra’yl. Nor, just because they are his descendants, are they all Abraham's children; but: In Isaac will your seed be called. That is, it is not those who are the children of the flesh who are YHWH's children; but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham's seed."[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Psalm 105:6-9, "O seed of Abraham His servant, You children of Yaaqob, His chosen ones! He is YHWH our Father! His judgments are in all the earth. He has remembered His covenant forever, the Law He commanded for a thousand generations; Which He made; ratified, established, with Abraham, and vowed by His oath to Isaac. He confirmed it; let it stand, to Yaaqob for a Law, and to Israyl for an everlasting covenant."[/FONT]
If Paul is correct all in Messiah ARE ISRAYL:
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 9:6-8, "However, it is not as though YHWH's plan had failed. For it is not everyone who is a descendant of Yisra’yl who belongs to Yisra’yl. Nor, just because they are his descendants, are they all Abraham's children; but: In Isaac will your seed be called. That is, it is not those who are the children of the flesh who are YHWH's children; but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham's seed."[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Psalm 105:6-9, "O seed of Abraham His servant, You children of Yaaqob, His chosen ones! He is YHWH our Father! His judgments are in all the earth. He has remembered His covenant forever, the Law He commanded for a thousand generations; Which He made; ratified, established, with Abraham, and vowed by His oath to Isaac. He confirmed it; let it stand, to Yaaqob for a Law, and to Israyl for an everlasting covenant."[/FONT]
How stupid for a carnal man to think he can obey spiritual laws just by his will and understanding.
Galatians 3:2-3
[FONT="]2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?[/FONT]
[FONT="]3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?
If you are trying to obey then you are looking to the letter. If you are looking to the letter then you're doing it wrong.
2 Corinthians 3:6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
If you are being caused to walk in His Statutes by the Holy Spirit then you are dead to the law and no longer try to obey the letter.
That way failed. The Lord Jesus has given us a better Way.
Hebrews 7:18-19
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[FONT="]18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.[/FONT]
[FONT="]19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.
Paul tells us over and over that the Lord Jesus has shown us a better Way.
Hebrews 4:2-3
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[FONT="]2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.[/FONT]
[FONT="]3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
Peter tells us too;
2 Peter 3:17-18
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[FONT="]17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.[/FONT]
[FONT="]18 But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.
Romans 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.[/FONT]
Galatians 3:2-3
[FONT="]2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?[/FONT]
[FONT="]3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?
If you are trying to obey then you are looking to the letter. If you are looking to the letter then you're doing it wrong.
2 Corinthians 3:6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
If you are being caused to walk in His Statutes by the Holy Spirit then you are dead to the law and no longer try to obey the letter.
That way failed. The Lord Jesus has given us a better Way.
Hebrews 7:18-19
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[FONT="]18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.[/FONT]
[FONT="]19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.
Paul tells us over and over that the Lord Jesus has shown us a better Way.
Hebrews 4:2-3
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[FONT="]2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.[/FONT]
[FONT="]3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
Peter tells us too;
2 Peter 3:17-18
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[FONT="]17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.[/FONT]
[FONT="]18 But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.
Romans 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.[/FONT]
Who said this? Is this one of those you say it and paste it to my back without me looking kind of things? Because I have never said this, If I ahve please quote it and I will repent.
Ezekiel 36:26-28, "A new heart, will I also give you, and a new spirit will I put within you; and I will take away the heart of stone out of your flesh, and will give you a heart of flesh. I will put My Spirit within you, and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will keep My judgments, and do them. And you will dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and you will be My people, and I will be your Father."
Zechariah 7:11-13, "But they refused to pay any attention--they turned a stubborn shoulder, and they stopped their ears so they would not be able to hear. Yes, they made their hearts like a hard adamant stone, in order not to hear the Law and the words, which YHWH of hosts had sent by His Spirit through the former prophets. Therefore, great wrath came from YHWH of hosts. Just as I called, and they would not hear, so they called, and I would not hear, says YHWH of hosts!"
Ezekiel 11:19-21, “And I shall give them one heart, and put a new spirit within you. And I shall take the stony heart out of their flesh, and give them a heart of flesh, so that they walk in My laws, and guard My right-rulings, and shall do them. And they shall be My people and I shall be their Strength. But to those whose hearts walk after the heart of their disgusting matters and their abominations, I shall recompense their deeds on their own heads,” declares the Master יהוה.”
Jeremiah 31:33, "For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israyl: After those days, says YHWH: I will put My Law (Torah/Instructions) in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts, and I will be their Strength, and they will be My people."
Hebrews 10:16, "This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says YHWH: I will put My Law into their hearts, and in their minds I will write them.”
An interesting thought, I'm not sure most people even understand what Paul meant when he talked about the letter. He lived 2,000 years ago in a completely different culture. The Pharisees took the letter and made fictitious "loop holes" to do their own will while claiming they were guarding the Law.
This has nothing to do with sincerely seeking to obey and sinning, noir does it have to do with literally braking the Laws but "keeping it spiritually"
What Law can be literally/physically broken while being kept spiritually?
Can one murder and not murder spiritually? Or steal? Or lie? Or is keeping them spiritually keeping them in their true intent, in which one does not only NOT commit adultery but also does not even dwell on it? Etc.?
Deuteronomy 6:8, “and shall bind them as a sign on your hand, and they shall be as frontlets between your eyes.”
The intent of this Law is to have YHWH's Laws in your mind and actions, to twist it and "keep it" by "the letter" (which is not keep it at all) would be to write the law and tape it to your hand and head, which the Pharisees actually did and still do till this day.
I think many have no understanding of this, yet want to talk about the letter and the spirit.
Yes again the leter and the spirit, I think you miss Paul's intention as Paul says:
Romans 7:14, “For we know that the Law is spiritual...”
1 Timothy 1:5-7, " But the goal* of the commandment is love from a pure heart and a good conscience and a sincere faith. For some men, straying from these things, have turned aside to fruitless discussion, wanting to be teachers of the Law, even though they do not understand either what they are saying or the matters about which they make confident assertions."
(goal)is word #G5056 –télos; Greek Dictionary (Lexicon-Concordance) - #5056 telos {tel'-os} from a primary tello (to set out for a definite point or goal)
HELPS Word-studies – 5056 télos (a neuter noun) – properly, consummation (the end-goal, purpose), such as closure with all its results.
Romans 7:14, “For we know that the Law is spiritual; but I was carnal, sold into the power of sin*.”
1 John 3:4, "...for sin is the transgression of the Law."
Romans 8:3 For what the Law was powerless to do, in that men sought to defeat; overthrow, fit, YHWH did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful man, to bear witness against sin. And so He condemned the sins of all mankind."
He did not bear witness against the Law, He came to bear witness against sin, which is the breaking the Law.
Is it a sin to steal? or is it a sin to follow do not steal?
Romans 7:14, “For we know that the Law is spiritual...”
Romans 8:5-8, "For those who live according to the flesh, set their minds on the things of the flesh; but those who live according to the Spirit, set their minds on the things of the Spirit. For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against; (bitterly opposed to), YHWH; for it is not subject to the Law of YHWH, nor indeed can be. So then, those who are of the flesh cannot please YHWH."
Funny, this is talking about the disbanding of the Levitical priesthood and you make it about do not murder, do not steal, love YHWH, love wetc.
Hebrews 7:13, “For He of whom this is said belongs to another tribe, from which no one had attended at the Altar. For it is perfectly clear that our Master arose from Yehuḏah, a tribe about which Mosheh never spoke of concerning priesthood.”
Hebrews 7:23-28, “And indeed, those that became priests were many, because they were prevented by death from continuing, but He, because He remains forever, has an unchangeable priesthood. Therefore He is also able to save completely those who draw near to Yah through Him, ever living to make intercession for them. For it was fitting that we should have such a High Priest – kind, innocent, undefiled, having been separated from sinners, and exalted above the heavens, who does not need, as those high priests, to offer up slaughter offerings day by day, first for His own sins and then for those of the people, for this He did once for all when He offered up Himself. For the Torah appoints as high priests men who have weakness, but the word of the oath which came after the Torah, appoints the Son having been perfected forever.”
The Law is mediated by Yahshua now, not Levites... Thus:
Romans 7:25, “Thanks be to YHWH, I have deliverance through Yahshua Messiah our King! So then, with this same mind, I myself serve the Law of YHWH, while in the flesh that is yet subject to the law of sin.”
Hebrews 3:16-19, "For some, when they had heard, rebelled. But not all rebelled who came out of Egypt through Mosheh. But with whom was He angry forty years? Was it not with those who sinned, whose corpses fell in the wilderness? And to whom did He vow that they would not enter into His rest, but to those who did not obey? So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief."
Hebrews 4:2, "For this message was preached to us, as well as to them; but the word which they heard did not benefit them, because they did not share in the faith of those who obeyed. "
2 Thessalonians 1:5-10, “Clear evidence of the righteous judgment of יהוה, in order for you to be counted worthy of the reign of יהוה, for which you also suffer, since יהוה shall rightly repay with affliction those who afflict you, and to give you who are afflictedrest with us when the Master יהושע is revealed from heaven with His mighty messengers, in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know יהוה, and on those who do not obey the Good News of our Master יהושע Messiah, who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Master and from the esteem of His strength, when He comes to be esteemed in His set-apart ones and to be admired among all those who believe in that Day, because our witness to you was believed.”
Matt 11:27-30, "All things have been delivered to Me by My Father. And no one fully knows the Son except the Father, neither does anyone fully know the Father, except the Son and those whom YHWH wills the Son to reveal. Come to Me, all who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take My yoke upon you, and learn of Me; for I am meek and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For My yoke is easy and My burden is light"
Revelation 14:13, "And I heard a voice from heaven saying to me: Write: Blessed are the dead, the ones dying in the Messiah from now on! Yes, says the Spirit: because they will rest from their labors, and their works do follow them!"
Obedience required or optional?
John 14:23-24, "יהושע answered him, “If anyone loves Me, he shall guard My Word. And My Father shall love him, and We shall come to him and make Our home with him. He who does not love Me does not guard My Words. And the Word which you hear is not Mine but of the Father Who sent Me.”
Again use isolate and misuse the Word: it says "take care that you are not carried away with the error of lawless"
2 Peter/Kepha 3:15-17, "And count the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the wisdom given him, as he does in all his letters when he speaks in them of these matters. There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures. You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, take care that you are not carried away with the error of lawless people and lose your own stability."
“lawless” is word #G113 ἄθεσμος athesmos (a'-thez-mos) adj., 1. lawless., 2. (by implication) criminal., [from G1 (as a negative particle) and θέσμος thesmos, a derivative of G5087
Acts 24:14, "But I confess this to you, that after the way which they call heresy, so I (Paul) worship the Father of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the Law and in the Prophets."
Romans 7:25, "Thanks be to YHWH, I have deliverance through Yahshua Messiah our King! So then, with this same mind, I myself serve the Law of YHWH, while in the flesh that is yet subject to the law of sin."
Acts 21:24, "Take them, and be purified with them, and pay their expenses so that they may shave their heads. Then everyone will know that those things they were informed about you (forsaking the Law), were lies, and that you (Paul), yourself, walk orderly, and keep the Law."
1 Corinthians 7:19, "For neither circumcision counts for anything nor uncircumcision, but keeping the commandments of Yah?"
Romans 3:28, "For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the Law."
Romans 3:31, "Are we then doing away with the Law through the faith? By no means! Rather, we establish the Law!"
Ezekiel 36:26-28, "A new heart, will I also give you, and a new spirit will I put within you; and I will take away the heart of stone out of your flesh, and will give you a heart of flesh. I will put My Spirit within you, and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will keep My judgments, and do them. And you will dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and you will be My people, and I will be your Father."
Zechariah 7:11-13, "But they refused to pay any attention--they turned a stubborn shoulder, and they stopped their ears so they would not be able to hear. Yes, they made their hearts like a hard adamant stone, in order not to hear the Law and the words, which YHWH of hosts had sent by His Spirit through the former prophets. Therefore, great wrath came from YHWH of hosts. Just as I called, and they would not hear, so they called, and I would not hear, says YHWH of hosts!"
Ezekiel 11:19-21, “And I shall give them one heart, and put a new spirit within you. And I shall take the stony heart out of their flesh, and give them a heart of flesh, so that they walk in My laws, and guard My right-rulings, and shall do them. And they shall be My people and I shall be their Strength. But to those whose hearts walk after the heart of their disgusting matters and their abominations, I shall recompense their deeds on their own heads,” declares the Master יהוה.”
Jeremiah 31:33, "For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israyl: After those days, says YHWH: I will put My Law (Torah/Instructions) in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts, and I will be their Strength, and they will be My people."
Hebrews 10:16, "This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says YHWH: I will put My Law into their hearts, and in their minds I will write them.”
An interesting thought, I'm not sure most people even understand what Paul meant when he talked about the letter. He lived 2,000 years ago in a completely different culture. The Pharisees took the letter and made fictitious "loop holes" to do their own will while claiming they were guarding the Law.
This has nothing to do with sincerely seeking to obey and sinning, noir does it have to do with literally braking the Laws but "keeping it spiritually"
What Law can be literally/physically broken while being kept spiritually?
Can one murder and not murder spiritually? Or steal? Or lie? Or is keeping them spiritually keeping them in their true intent, in which one does not only NOT commit adultery but also does not even dwell on it? Etc.?
Deuteronomy 6:8, “and shall bind them as a sign on your hand, and they shall be as frontlets between your eyes.”
The intent of this Law is to have YHWH's Laws in your mind and actions, to twist it and "keep it" by "the letter" (which is not keep it at all) would be to write the law and tape it to your hand and head, which the Pharisees actually did and still do till this day.
I think many have no understanding of this, yet want to talk about the letter and the spirit.
Yes again the leter and the spirit, I think you miss Paul's intention as Paul says:
Romans 7:14, “For we know that the Law is spiritual...”
1 Timothy 1:5-7, " But the goal* of the commandment is love from a pure heart and a good conscience and a sincere faith. For some men, straying from these things, have turned aside to fruitless discussion, wanting to be teachers of the Law, even though they do not understand either what they are saying or the matters about which they make confident assertions."
(goal)is word #G5056 –télos; Greek Dictionary (Lexicon-Concordance) - #5056 telos {tel'-os} from a primary tello (to set out for a definite point or goal)
HELPS Word-studies – 5056 télos (a neuter noun) – properly, consummation (the end-goal, purpose), such as closure with all its results.
Romans 7:14, “For we know that the Law is spiritual; but I was carnal, sold into the power of sin*.”
1 John 3:4, "...for sin is the transgression of the Law."
Romans 8:3 For what the Law was powerless to do, in that men sought to defeat; overthrow, fit, YHWH did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful man, to bear witness against sin. And so He condemned the sins of all mankind."
He did not bear witness against the Law, He came to bear witness against sin, which is the breaking the Law.
Is it a sin to steal? or is it a sin to follow do not steal?
Romans 7:14, “For we know that the Law is spiritual...”
Romans 8:5-8, "For those who live according to the flesh, set their minds on the things of the flesh; but those who live according to the Spirit, set their minds on the things of the Spirit. For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against; (bitterly opposed to), YHWH; for it is not subject to the Law of YHWH, nor indeed can be. So then, those who are of the flesh cannot please YHWH."
Funny, this is talking about the disbanding of the Levitical priesthood and you make it about do not murder, do not steal, love YHWH, love wetc.
Hebrews 7:13, “For He of whom this is said belongs to another tribe, from which no one had attended at the Altar. For it is perfectly clear that our Master arose from Yehuḏah, a tribe about which Mosheh never spoke of concerning priesthood.”
Hebrews 7:23-28, “And indeed, those that became priests were many, because they were prevented by death from continuing, but He, because He remains forever, has an unchangeable priesthood. Therefore He is also able to save completely those who draw near to Yah through Him, ever living to make intercession for them. For it was fitting that we should have such a High Priest – kind, innocent, undefiled, having been separated from sinners, and exalted above the heavens, who does not need, as those high priests, to offer up slaughter offerings day by day, first for His own sins and then for those of the people, for this He did once for all when He offered up Himself. For the Torah appoints as high priests men who have weakness, but the word of the oath which came after the Torah, appoints the Son having been perfected forever.”
The Law is mediated by Yahshua now, not Levites... Thus:
Romans 7:25, “Thanks be to YHWH, I have deliverance through Yahshua Messiah our King! So then, with this same mind, I myself serve the Law of YHWH, while in the flesh that is yet subject to the law of sin.”
Hebrews 3:16-19, "For some, when they had heard, rebelled. But not all rebelled who came out of Egypt through Mosheh. But with whom was He angry forty years? Was it not with those who sinned, whose corpses fell in the wilderness? And to whom did He vow that they would not enter into His rest, but to those who did not obey? So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief."
Hebrews 4:2, "For this message was preached to us, as well as to them; but the word which they heard did not benefit them, because they did not share in the faith of those who obeyed. "
2 Thessalonians 1:5-10, “Clear evidence of the righteous judgment of יהוה, in order for you to be counted worthy of the reign of יהוה, for which you also suffer, since יהוה shall rightly repay with affliction those who afflict you, and to give you who are afflictedrest with us when the Master יהושע is revealed from heaven with His mighty messengers, in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know יהוה, and on those who do not obey the Good News of our Master יהושע Messiah, who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Master and from the esteem of His strength, when He comes to be esteemed in His set-apart ones and to be admired among all those who believe in that Day, because our witness to you was believed.”
Matt 11:27-30, "All things have been delivered to Me by My Father. And no one fully knows the Son except the Father, neither does anyone fully know the Father, except the Son and those whom YHWH wills the Son to reveal. Come to Me, all who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take My yoke upon you, and learn of Me; for I am meek and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For My yoke is easy and My burden is light"
Revelation 14:13, "And I heard a voice from heaven saying to me: Write: Blessed are the dead, the ones dying in the Messiah from now on! Yes, says the Spirit: because they will rest from their labors, and their works do follow them!"
Obedience required or optional?
John 14:23-24, "יהושע answered him, “If anyone loves Me, he shall guard My Word. And My Father shall love him, and We shall come to him and make Our home with him. He who does not love Me does not guard My Words. And the Word which you hear is not Mine but of the Father Who sent Me.”
Again use isolate and misuse the Word: it says "take care that you are not carried away with the error of lawless"
2 Peter/Kepha 3:15-17, "And count the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the wisdom given him, as he does in all his letters when he speaks in them of these matters. There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures. You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, take care that you are not carried away with the error of lawless people and lose your own stability."
“lawless” is word #G113 ἄθεσμος athesmos (a'-thez-mos) adj., 1. lawless., 2. (by implication) criminal., [from G1 (as a negative particle) and θέσμος thesmos, a derivative of G5087
Acts 24:14, "But I confess this to you, that after the way which they call heresy, so I (Paul) worship the Father of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the Law and in the Prophets."
Romans 7:25, "Thanks be to YHWH, I have deliverance through Yahshua Messiah our King! So then, with this same mind, I myself serve the Law of YHWH, while in the flesh that is yet subject to the law of sin."
Acts 21:24, "Take them, and be purified with them, and pay their expenses so that they may shave their heads. Then everyone will know that those things they were informed about you (forsaking the Law), were lies, and that you (Paul), yourself, walk orderly, and keep the Law."
1 Corinthians 7:19, "For neither circumcision counts for anything nor uncircumcision, but keeping the commandments of Yah?"
Romans 3:28, "For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the Law."
Romans 3:31, "Are we then doing away with the Law through the faith? By no means! Rather, we establish the Law!"
cont.
verse 14? how about we keep reading?
Romans 6:15-23, “What then? Shall we sin because we are not under Torah but under unmerited mercy? Let it not be! Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves servants for obedience, you are servants of the one whom you obey, whether of sin to death, or of obedience to righteousness? But thanks to יהוה that you were servants of sin, yet you obeyed from the heart that form of teaching to which you were entrusted. And having been set free from sin, you became servants of righteousness. I speak as a man, because of the weakness of your flesh. For even as you did present your members as servants of uncleanness, and of lawlessness resulting in lawlessness, so now present your members as servants of righteousness resulting in set-apartness. For when you were servants of sin, you were free from righteousness. What fruit, therefore, were you having then, over which you are now ashamed? For the end thereof is death. But now, having been set free from sin, and having become servants of יהוה, you have your fruit resulting in set-apartness, and the end, everlasting life. For the wages of sin is death, but the favorable gift of יהוהis everlasting life in Messiah יהושע our Master.”
Romans, “6:1-2, "What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin* that grace may abound? By no means! How can we who died to sin still live in it?"
*What is sin, that we may not continue in it?
1 John 3:4, "Whoever commits sin, transgresses also the Law; for sin is the transgression of the Law."
verse 14? how about we keep reading?
Romans 6:15-23, “What then? Shall we sin because we are not under Torah but under unmerited mercy? Let it not be! Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves servants for obedience, you are servants of the one whom you obey, whether of sin to death, or of obedience to righteousness? But thanks to יהוה that you were servants of sin, yet you obeyed from the heart that form of teaching to which you were entrusted. And having been set free from sin, you became servants of righteousness. I speak as a man, because of the weakness of your flesh. For even as you did present your members as servants of uncleanness, and of lawlessness resulting in lawlessness, so now present your members as servants of righteousness resulting in set-apartness. For when you were servants of sin, you were free from righteousness. What fruit, therefore, were you having then, over which you are now ashamed? For the end thereof is death. But now, having been set free from sin, and having become servants of יהוה, you have your fruit resulting in set-apartness, and the end, everlasting life. For the wages of sin is death, but the favorable gift of יהוהis everlasting life in Messiah יהושע our Master.”
Romans, “6:1-2, "What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin* that grace may abound? By no means! How can we who died to sin still live in it?"
*What is sin, that we may not continue in it?
1 John 3:4, "Whoever commits sin, transgresses also the Law; for sin is the transgression of the Law."
Why is it wrong for a man to obey spiritual laws by understanding them and employing his will to follow them. I'm not a puppet under God's control. I have free will to fail. If I understand what is wrong or sin and use my will to purposely turn away from it, how am I then stupid. I don't understand.
Ever wonder why the end has never come as indicated in Matthew 24:14 the end would come upon having completed preaching the gospel throughout the world? It is because so many false gospels have been preached, and are being preached, other than the true gospel.
Matthew 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
Interesting.
Acts 2:5-6
5 Now there were staying in Jerusalem God-fearing Jews from every nation under heaven. 6 When they heard this sound, a crowd came together in bewilderment, because each one heard their own language being spoken.
Is it possible this prophecy was fulfilled on the day of Pentecost?
Pentecost was significant to the Jews.
In the OT, it referred to the OT feasts
Exodus 34:23
23 Three times a year all your men are to appear before the Sovereign Lord, the God of Israel.
So it not have been unusual to see the Jews come to Jerusalem.
If that's the case then they would have made their way home again taking the Gospel with them to every nation under heaven.
Just my simple thoughts.
The point I made was that the end has not come to the present world order under Satan due to the fact that the true gospel of Christ has yet to be preached throughout the world.
From Paul we can see that man has been preaching their own interpretations of the gospel begining in the 1st century AD.
What do you think the Conquistadores who went to bring Christianity to the indigenous people of the Americas believed in?
Do you think they who came for gold, and enslaved the indigenous people believed in and preached the gospel of Christ?
You mean how about we keep twisting the scripture until it means christians are under the letter of the law again...?
Romans 14:23 [FONT="]And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: [/FONT][FONT="]for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.
[/FONT][FONT="]Galatians 3:12-14
[/FONT][FONT="]12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.[/FONT]
[FONT="]13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:[/FONT]
14 [FONT="]That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit [/FONT][FONT="]through faith[/FONT][FONT="].[/FONT]
How about we stop Judaizing and come to the Lord Jesus Christ instead?
Romans 14:23 [FONT="]And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: [/FONT][FONT="]for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.
[/FONT][FONT="]Galatians 3:12-14
[/FONT][FONT="]12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.[/FONT]
[FONT="]13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:[/FONT]
14 [FONT="]That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit [/FONT][FONT="]through faith[/FONT][FONT="].[/FONT]
How about we stop Judaizing and come to the Lord Jesus Christ instead?
Modern day Judaizers play the same game in salvation as every other false movement of Christendom. They profess to teach that salvation is by grace through faith, but then redefine this in a way that is contrary to the Gospel. Even though they deny this, they teach that salvation is by "grace plus law, faith plus works." Their doctrine of salvation is a subtle mixture of law and grace that is a perversion of the Gospel (Galatians 1:6-9). 
I belong to the Church Abel, Noah, Abraham, Moses, David, Peter, James, Paul, Cornelius, Stephen and all the rest of the faithful "believers" of God and His Son belong to. Jesus is our High Priest. Not the image of Jesus todays preachers have created, but the Jesus of the Bible.
There is a fascinating "TRUTH" regarding every example of the Faithful in God's Word.
Not one of them created images of God in the likeness of man. Well, they did before they "turned to the God of the Bible", but after they turned to God in humility and repentance, not even one created images of God in the likeness of man.
Of course they didn't, the God of the bible was enough for them.
Another fascinating truth about all the Faithful examples of "Believers" in the Bible, they never created their own High Days or Sabbaths. Well before they turned to God they did, before repentance they did, but after they received Grace, not one singe follower of Christ ever exalted themselves to the point of creating their own Holy Days.
Of course they didn't, God's instructions was good enough for them.
In contrast, there has always been men who claimed to "know God" but created their own images of Him, and created their own "feasts unto the Lord" in worship of this image.
The powers that did these things persecuted those who were simply following the Instructions of God from the beginning. Cain killed his "Christian" brother for nothing more than "believing" the instructions of God. Caleb was almost stoned to death for "believing in God/Jesus". They killed the prophets and then killed the son of God for simply telling the truth. They stoned Paul for doing the same things. They murdered Stephen for telling the truth.
Acts 7:51 Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye.52 Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? and they have slain them which shewed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers:
53 Who have received the law by the disposition of angels, and have not kept it.
Paul said of the mainstream preachers of his time.
Rom. 1:21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
And again:
Rom. 10:3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
Jesus said of them:
Matt. 15:7 Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,
8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
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But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
And again"
John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.
These are the preachers you preach were trying to "Get right with God" by obeying His Laws.
So when you call me a liar, you are really calling Jesus and Paul and the Prophets a liar because I get my knowledge regarding the Mainstream Church of Christ's time from them.So you can call me a liar and a false accuser, and a legalist, a Pharisee, and what other names and insults you and your friends come up with. I don't hold this sin against you. You are just fulfilling a prophesy and continuing in the "Path" you chose. You can't help it.
I forgive you.
There is a fascinating "TRUTH" regarding every example of the Faithful in God's Word.
Not one of them created images of God in the likeness of man. Well, they did before they "turned to the God of the Bible", but after they turned to God in humility and repentance, not even one created images of God in the likeness of man.
Of course they didn't, the God of the bible was enough for them.
Another fascinating truth about all the Faithful examples of "Believers" in the Bible, they never created their own High Days or Sabbaths. Well before they turned to God they did, before repentance they did, but after they received Grace, not one singe follower of Christ ever exalted themselves to the point of creating their own Holy Days.
Of course they didn't, God's instructions was good enough for them.
In contrast, there has always been men who claimed to "know God" but created their own images of Him, and created their own "feasts unto the Lord" in worship of this image.
The powers that did these things persecuted those who were simply following the Instructions of God from the beginning. Cain killed his "Christian" brother for nothing more than "believing" the instructions of God. Caleb was almost stoned to death for "believing in God/Jesus". They killed the prophets and then killed the son of God for simply telling the truth. They stoned Paul for doing the same things. They murdered Stephen for telling the truth.
Acts 7:51 Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye.52 Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? and they have slain them which shewed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers:
53 Who have received the law by the disposition of angels, and have not kept it.
Paul said of the mainstream preachers of his time.
Rom. 1:21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
And again:
Rom. 10:3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
Jesus said of them:
Matt. 15:7 Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,
8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
9
But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
And again"
John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.
These are the preachers you preach were trying to "Get right with God" by obeying His Laws.
So when you call me a liar, you are really calling Jesus and Paul and the Prophets a liar because I get my knowledge regarding the Mainstream Church of Christ's time from them.So you can call me a liar and a false accuser, and a legalist, a Pharisee, and what other names and insults you and your friends come up with. I don't hold this sin against you. You are just fulfilling a prophesy and continuing in the "Path" you chose. You can't help it.
I forgive you.
The law of Moses is still there, but God will not enforce it provided we live in His grace.
Imagine a private company that has rigid rules applicable to all employees. They must be absolutely punctual for everything; they can't waste time with unnecessary talk; when they get sick they need a doctor's note; they can't exchange work assignments, days off, or shift hours with one another; etc. All employees obey the rules, they are always stressed out and productivity is low.
A few years later the company owner decides to give more freedom to his employees -- they can break rules provided they do what is best for the company. All employees are mature enough to use good sense and judgement, and productivity now is at its optimum level.
The company was initially "under the law", but now it's "under grace". If an employee now decides to be strict about the rules he will not be in harmony with his co-workers -- he will get in the way. This is not what the company owner wants -- he wants productivity.
Imagine a private company that has rigid rules applicable to all employees. They must be absolutely punctual for everything; they can't waste time with unnecessary talk; when they get sick they need a doctor's note; they can't exchange work assignments, days off, or shift hours with one another; etc. All employees obey the rules, they are always stressed out and productivity is low.
A few years later the company owner decides to give more freedom to his employees -- they can break rules provided they do what is best for the company. All employees are mature enough to use good sense and judgement, and productivity now is at its optimum level.
The company was initially "under the law", but now it's "under grace". If an employee now decides to be strict about the rules he will not be in harmony with his co-workers -- he will get in the way. This is not what the company owner wants -- he wants productivity.
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Your conspiracy theories are old and quote tiresome. (And yes, thats is what I call these ideas you have) Again, Can you tell us what churhc you go to. I really want to see where you get these ideas. Or if you are like many who come in here and have their own ideas, yet do not go to church any all.
I have asked you a few times yet, why are you afraid to answer?
Paul said according to the law. HE WAS BLAMELESS. He also said according to the law, HE WAS A PHARISEE.
So I am not the one who called you a liar. Paul did.
I have asked you a few times yet, why are you afraid to answer?
Paul said according to the law. HE WAS BLAMELESS. He also said according to the law, HE WAS A PHARISEE.
So I am not the one who called you a liar. Paul did.
God's Righteousness is not lawless works.
Creating images of God in the likeness of man, that is a lawless work. That is man righteousness, not Gods.
Creating our own High Days while Rejecting God's Word, that is a lawless work. That is man's righteousness, not Gods.
Loving your neighbor as yourself, Remembering the Sabbath days and Loving God with all your heart, etc; these are not lawless works, but are the righteousness of God.
It's a choice we all make.
Creating images of God in the likeness of man, that is a lawless work. That is man righteousness, not Gods.
Creating our own High Days while Rejecting God's Word, that is a lawless work. That is man's righteousness, not Gods.
Loving your neighbor as yourself, Remembering the Sabbath days and Loving God with all your heart, etc; these are not lawless works, but are the righteousness of God.
It's a choice we all make.