What was the "different gospel" in Galatians 1:6?l

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Who can provide us with a list of mitzvot that apply to Christians?

Short answer: NOBODY.

Why? Because we can’t delete any of the 613 mitzvot.

See Luke 16:17-19: 17Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.19Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

The law of Moses is still there and we can’t remove any jot or tittle from it, but on the other hand we don’t have to fulfill its requirements, even though it seems to be a contradiction.
Its not a contradiction. The purpose of the law as paul was was to keep us under guard until Christ came, it was to lead us to christ so we can be saved, That was its purpose. Anyone who tells you otherwise. Does not understand the law period.

It is not that we do not have to fulfill the requirements, it is that we can’t. We we come to this knowledge,. Then we God can share his truth to us, because then and only then can we understand his truth. Then we can come to faith, and the law has been fulfilled in our lives.

However, as long as there are people who are not saved, the law will ALWAYS be needed.
 
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It's about a choice. You know God's Instructions, as does most everybody, and if they don't, they all know where to find them. I'm not God so I will not tell you what to do. He is, and His Judgment has been laid out for all to see. The questions is, do we trust Him enough to follow His instructions, or do we find another set of instructions which better suit the lifestyle we have grown accustomed to. Biblical History show the mainstream preachers of their time chose the the latter and it didn't end well for them.

And here we have it, A person who has not been trained by the law. Who is making the same mistake the pharisee made. Attempting to be right with God by his obedience, not realizing the law was never given for that purpose. And will never make us right with God.

While he judged people saying they change God law. he waters down Gods law to a form he can follow.. (or he thinks he can anyway) and ignores the rest.
 

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Is this considered "different gospel"?

Revelation 14:12-13, “Here is the endurance of the set-apart ones, here are those guarding the Commands of יהוה and the Belief of יהושע. And I heard a voice out of the heaven saying to me, Write, Blessed are the dead who die in the Master from now on. Yes, says the Spirit, in order that they rest from their labors, and their works follow with them.”

or this?


John/Yahanan 12:48, "He who rejects Me, and does not follow My words has One Who judges him. The word that I have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day."


John/Yahanan 8:31, "...If you continue in My doctrine, then you are truly My disciples."


Luke 6:46, "And why call Me; Ruler! Ruler! and do not the things which I say?"


Mat 4:17, “From that time יהושע began to proclaim and to say, “Repent, for the reign of the heavens has drawn near.”


John/Yahanan 14:15, "If you love Me, keep My commandments."
Ok, Hizikyah, then provide us with a list of mitzvot that apply to Christians.
 

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And here we have it, A person who has not been trained by the law. Who is making the same mistake the pharisee made. Attempting to be right with God by his obedience, not realizing the law was never given for that purpose. And will never make us right with God.

While he judged people saying they change God law. he waters down Gods law to a form he can follow.. (or he thinks he can anyway) and ignores the rest.

Matt. 15:7 Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

The Pharisees were not trying to "Be right with God" by trusting Him or honoring Him with obedience to His Instruction as you preach.

No matter how many times you preach they were, it is still just another falsehood. Your lips do not void the Word's of God.

Another perfect example of the Choice Jesus laid out for us in Duet. 30. Do I believe in Jesus? Or do I believe in EG.

I choose to follow the Word's of Jesus. No offence EG.
 
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Matt. 15:7 Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

The Pharisees were not trying to "Be right with God" by trusting Him or honoring Him with obedience to His Instruction as you preach.

No matter how many times you preach they were, it is still just another falsehood. Your lips do not void the Word's of God.

Another perfect example of the Choice Jesus laid out for us in Duet. 30. Do I believe in Jesus? Or do I believe in EG.

I choose to follow the Word's of Jesus. No offence EG.

Phil 3: [FONT=&quot]though I also might have confidence in the flesh. If anyone else thinks he may have confidence in the flesh, I more so: [/FONT][FONT=&quot]5 circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, a Hebrew of the Hebrews; concerning the law, a Pharisee; [/FONT]6 concerning zeal, persecuting the church; concerning the righteousness which is in the law, blameless.[FONT=&quot]7 But what things were gain to me, these I have counted loss for Christ

how can you chose to follow the word when you ignore it? [/FONT]
 

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Phil 3: [FONT=&quot]though I also might have confidence in the flesh. If anyone else thinks he may have confidence in the flesh, I more so: [/FONT][FONT=&quot]5 circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, a Hebrew of the Hebrews; concerning the law, a Pharisee; [/FONT]6 concerning zeal, persecuting the church; concerning the righteousness which is in the law, blameless.[FONT=&quot]7 But what things were gain to me, these I have counted loss for Christ

how can you chose to follow the word when you ignore it? [/FONT]
Yes. He followed the Commandments of the Pharisees perfectly. But by doing this he was deceived. Paul was not contradicting Jesus here.
 
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Yes. He followed the Commandments of the Pharisees perfectly. But by doing this he was deceived. Paul was not contradicting Jesus here.
Lol. He stated a fact, According to the law (notpharisee law. The law of moses) blameless.

may I ask what church you go to?

 

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Lol. He stated a fact, According to the law (notpharisee law. The law of moses) blameless.

may I ask what church you go to?

Paul did not make Jesus a liar here EG. You can preach that if you want. But I’m going to choose Jesus over you.
 
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A friend of mine had this to say about the subject: (This is all someone else's comments about his posting)

Michael Hardin is a mimetic theorist, author of The Jesus Driven Life, and co-founder of Preaching Peace. Perhaps better known as “the guy with the ponytail in Hellbound?“. He posted this on his Facebook page today, and I simply had to repost it here.

But thank God, who is always leading us around through Christ as if we were in a parade. He releases the fragrance of the knowledge of him everywhere through us. We smell like the aroma of Christ’s offering to God, both to those who are being saved and to those who are on the road to destruction. We smell like a contagious dead person to those who are dying, but we smell like the fountain of life to those who are being saved. Who is qualified for this kind of ministry? We aren’t like so many people who hustle the word of God to make a profit. We are speaking through Christ in the presence of God, as those who are sincere and as those who are sent from God. — The Apostle Paul to the Corinthians

The world as we have created it is a process of our thinking. It cannot be changed without changing our thinking.
― Albert Einstein

For over 100 years Christian Fundamentalists have drawn a line in the sand. On the other side of that line are Liberals. I know. I became born again in a Fundamentalist Dispensationalist Baptist church. I read everything Francis Schaeffer wrote. I read Josh McDowell and quoted apologetics at every turn. I read voraciously, listened steadfastly and studied diligently. That part of my life’s journey lasted about two years. I moved on to Evangelicalism.

Religion needs to defend itself, the Gospel needs no defense. Religion is about certainty, the Gospel is about assurance. Religion needs every “I” dotted and every “T” crossed while the Gospel dwells in ambiguity and mystery. Religion seeks perfection, the Gospel offers wholeness. Religion validates sacred violence and a wrathful god, the Gospel speaks of the nonviolent, non-retributive God. Religion takes the State as its consort; the Gospel refuses the State and takes a peace loving people as a Bride.

Yesterday I reposted some thoughts Martin Trench had on Fundamentalism.

I have come to the conclusion that Fundamentalism (in any religion, branch of science, or discipline) is actually a mental disorder brought about by the person's inability to cope with a complex world, and need to see everything as black & white/right & wrong/dualistically, and always have an enemy that you are waging a culture war against. It is a sickness which is destroying western Christianity. It has nothing to do with the character of Jesus. Talking to Fundamentalists and trying to help them see a bigger, fuller, more inclusive and fully rounded view of God is a total waste of time. As a former, and now fully recovered Fundamentalist, I know this to be true. When you have to reject the proven findings of every branch of science and archaeology in order to hold to your beliefs, then something is seriously wrong with what you believe. If you think that God wants you to believe something which can be clearly proven to be completely untrue – you are worshipping a false god. There is no way to reason with an unreasonable person. Their only hope is to eventually become so sickened by the unChristlike fruit that Fundamentalism produces and by accidentally stumbling upon information that they cannot refute which contradicts their comic-book-version of faith …. then they may be open to talk. Try to talk to them before that and they will attack you and accuse you.

Let’s remember – it was Fundamentalists who crucified Jesus.

I thought his analysis was both on the mark and to the point. Christian Fundamentalism is not a faithful representation of the Gospel. Some will get their dander up and their panties all in a wad because I said this. But think this through. What if we are right? What if Fundamentalism is not a true representation of the Gospel of Jesus Christ? Does this not have enormous implications? So, after a hundred years of drawing a line in the sand, now we turn around and do the same. I can hear the defensiveness cranking up. (And before you non-Fundies get too snarky just realize that some of the same stuff could be said about the Jesus preached in progressive churches but that’s for another day).

“Do not judge.” But haven’t Fundamentalists been judging since they began? Have they not said that across that line is only relativism, untruth, ungodliness and liberalism? Have not Fundamentalists created their own little insular world with radio hosts, book publishers, TV shows, church decrees, and schtick to hang up on living room walls? Sure they have. They invest heavily in all this and why? In order to demonstrate that they will not be polluted or tainted with any outside worldly liberal influence. The Jerry Falwell’s the Pat Robertson’s, even the Billy Graham’s (and Billy is, or was, a closet Fundie) all created the ugly monolith known as the Religious Right. I know. I have books on the origins and beliefs of this movement. I have a friend who was there in the beginning who now repents of this (Frank Schaeffer). Now it has morphed into the Tea Party, merged with conservative Evangelicalism and its adherents see themselves as Keepers of the True Flame of God and Country here in the United States.

Fundamentalism is being challenged from every side. Science has broken down its poor excuse for creationism. Historical criticism has destroyed any chance of seeing the Bible as Perfection Dropped From Heaven. But far more important is the work of thinkers who have been able to show that the Gospel itself is deconstructing Christian Fundamentalism. It is the Gospel of the Prince of Peace which calls into question Fundamentalism’s god of arbitrary power and might. It is the Gospel which shows clearly that the Living God has no interest in human blood, does not want it, never needed it, and hates when we shed it. It is the Gospel that is showing us that faith in a neo-con neo-Calvinist Teavangelical God is idolatry. That god is a false idol, an admixture of nationalism and civil religion with a little Jesus thrown in to make it palatable to the mindless grey masses. It is a seductive serpent. It lies and kills. It justifies all manner of exclusion and warmongering. It is not the truth, never has been and never will be.

Is this judgment? Yes it is. Have I condemned any Fundamentalist to eternal perdition as they have others who were not with them? No I haven’t. I am not condemning people, but an ideology. I am saying that the Gospel of Jesus Christ and Christian Fundamentalism are worlds apart. I am saying that if you attend a Christian Fundamentalist Church you may not be worshipping Jesus. The Jesus of Fundamentalism is different than the Jesus of the New Testament. The Jesus of Fundamentalism is not the Prince of Peace, the One who takes away all fear, the one who challenges the very heart of all religion and all culture. The Jesus of Fundamentalism looks more like John Wayne or Rambo or the Terminator than the Jesus portrayed by Matthew, Mark, Luke or John. Fundamentalists use these same Gospels to twist the Living Jesus into a fake.

Let us name Christian Fundamentalism for what it is: it is ‘another’ gospel’ which is no gospel at all. There is no good news in Fundamentalism, there is only an angry deity, an arbitrary lottery spinning, blood thirsty, vampiric, alcoholic, torture loving, war mongering little god that puffs itself up like the Wizard of Oz. But we have seen behind the curtain. We have seen that that god is a fake. We know that that god is the One Jesus came to destroy. Hallelujah and Praise be to God who brings down the satanic god that accuses, marginalizes, discriminates, lies and kills. Jesus is and always as been the Victor and He has drawn a line in the sand by His death and resurrection. The old has past, and Behold! The new has come.

So how does this Gospel smell to you?

Read more at Christian fundamentalism--another gospel? Guest post by Michael Hardin
 
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Ok, Hizikyah, then provide us with a list of mitzvot that apply to Christians.
I have in other threads directly to you, this is not the first time we have gone over this. Also I want to mention before I start that there are even those that would o away with the words of the Messiah pre Sacrifice even though He says "My words will never pass."

Which Commands are valid for the followers of Messiah Yahshua/Jesus? All of them.



Mat 22:37-40, "Yahshua said to him: You must love YHWH your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. (Deut 6:5) This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. (Lev 19:18) On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."


all” is word #G3650 - holos - Strong's Concordance, holos: whole, complete, Original Word: ὅλος, η, ον, Part of Speech: Adjective, Transliteration: holos, Phonetic Spelling: (hol'-os), Short Definition: all, the whole, entire, Definition: all, the whole, entire, complete


Heaven and earth has not yet passed:


Mat 5:18, "I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh; the smallest of the letters will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

Revelation 21:1, "I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away."



In the same way all has not yet been fulfilled:


Luke 24:44-46, “And He said to them, “These are the words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all have to be fulfilled that were written in the Law, the Prophets and the Psalms concerning Me. Then He opened their minds to understand the Scriptures, and said to them, “Thus it has been written, and so it was necessary for the Messiah to suffer and to rise again from the dead the third day.”


Isaiah 45:21-22, “Declare and bring near, let them even take counsel together. Who has announced this from of old? Who has declared it from that time? Is it not I, יהוה? And there is no mighty one besides Me, a righteous Power and Savior, there is none besides Me. Turn to Me and be saved, all you ends of the earth! For I am Strength, and there is none else.”


Isaiah 46:10, “Declaring the end from the beginning, and from of old that which has not yet been done, saying, ‘My counsel does stand, and all My delight I do.”


There are 2 "it is done" statements...

Fulfilled already
John 19:30, “So when יהושע took the sour wine He said, “It is done!” And bowing His head, He gave up His spirit.”

Fulfilled already- To be fulfilled in the future

1. Passover/First-fruits – Yahshua's Sacrifice(Passover), burial and resurrection (First Fruits – presenting Himself to YHWH)
2. Feast of Unleavened Bread – Removal of sin by Yahshua's perfect work as the Passover Sacrifice
3. Feast of Weeks – The blessing Holy Spirit of YHWH, coming into our lives stronger than ever

4. Feast of Trumpets – Yahshua's return and gathering of the Saints
5. Day of Atonement – Yahshua leads the army of YHWH to destroy evil rulers of this world and satan is chained for 1,000 years
6. Feast of Tabernacles – Yahshua dwells on earth for 1,000 years teaching truth and righteousness
7. The Last Great Day – satan is loosed and swiftly destroyed, the Kingdom of YHWH reigns forever


To be fulfilled in the future
Revelation 21:4-8, “And Yah shall wipe away every tear from their eyes, and there shall be no more death, nor mourning, nor crying. And there shall be no more pain, for the former matters have passed away. And He who was sitting on the throne said, “See, I make all matters new.” And He said to me, “Write, for these words are true and trustworthy. And He said to me, “It is done! I am the ‘Aleph’ and the ‘Taw’, the Beginning and the End. To the one who thirsts I shall give of the fountain of the water of life without payment. The one who overcomes shall inherit all this, and I shall be his Strength and he shall be My son. But as for the cowardly, and untrustworthy, and abominable, and murderers, and those who whore, and drug sorcerers, and idolaters, and all the false, their part is in the lake which burns with fire and sulphur, which is the second death.”



However understanding them shows all Laws are not for each individual person, and this is not picking and choosing. Some Laws are only for men, some Laws are only for women, some Laws are only for priests, some Laws are only for the high priest, some Laws are only for Kings, etc. It is not a man’s duty to guard Laws meant only for a king, or only for a priest if that man is not a priest.


Scripture shows us Yahshua/Jesus has completed the true Passover Sacrifice, now sits as High Priest making the Levite priesthood obsolete and thus there is no more animal sacrifice;


Hebrews 9:11-12, "But the Messiah came near as a High Priest over the righteous things to come, with the great and more perfect tabernacle not made with hands, that is, not of this creation; Nor through the blood of goats and calves, but through His own blood He entered the Most Holy Place once, for all, having obtained eternal redemption."


Hebrews 7:23-28, “And indeed, those that became priests were many, because they were prevented by death from continuing, but He, because He remains forever, has an unchangeable priesthood. Therefore He is also able to save completely those who draw near to Yah through Him, ever living to make intercession for them. For it was fitting that we should have such a High Priest – kind, innocent, undefiled, having been separated from sinners, and exalted above the heavens, who does not need, as those high priests, to offer up slaughter offerings day by day, first for His own sins and then for those of the people, for this He did once for all when He offered up Himself. For the Torah appoints as high priests men who have weakness, but the word of the oath which came after the Torah, appoints the Son having been perfected forever.”


But now Yahshua/Jesus mediates the Covenant, not Levites:


1 Timothy 2:5, "For One is YHWH; and One Mediator between YHWH and men: the Man, Yahshua Messiah."


1 Timothy 2:5, "For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man[a] Christ Jesus."


Psalm 89:26-37, "He will call out to Me; You are my Father, O YHWH! You are the Rock of my salvation! And I will make Him My firstborn, higher than the kings of the earth. My mercy I will keep for Him forever and My covenant will stand fast with Him. And I will establish his Seed forever, and his throne will be as the days of heaven. Should his children forsake My Law, and refuse to walk in My judgments; Should they profane My statutes, and fail to keep My commandments; Then I will punish their transgression with the rod, and their iniquity with lashes from the whip. Nevertheless, My lovingkindness I will not utterly withdraw from him, nor will I ever betray My faithfulness. My covenant I will not break, nor will I change what that has gone out of My lips. Once for all, I have vowed by My holiness--I cannot lie, and I say to David: His Seed will endure forever, and his throne will endure before Me like the sun. His throne will be established forever like the moon: the faithful witness in the sky."
 

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Cont. from above

Also if only the Laws written in the New Testament are valid then different regions would have different Laws; the Thessalonians would have different Laws than the Romans, the Galatians would have different Laws than the Ephesians, the Colossians would have different Laws than the Corinthians. As they were letters written to each location and not widely circulated until years later.



2 Timothy 3:16-17, “All Scripture is breathed out by Yah and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for setting straight, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of Yah might be fitted, equipped for every righteous work.”


Yet when this was written it was a letter, not Scripture. Scripture was considered what we now call the “Old Testament” even the Gospel records of Yahshua/Jesus were not recorded and circulated at this time, but the words of the Messiah had proliferated the land.


Finally what about the things we know are sin but are not mentioned in the “New Testament” Are these things no longer sins?


Malakyah 3:6, “For I am יהוה, I shall not change, and you, O sons of Ya‛aqoḇ, shall not come to an end.”


Psalm 33:11 YHWH's counsel stands forever! The thoughts of His heart stand for all generations! Praise You, YHWH!”


1 John 3:4, "Whoever commits sin, transgresses also the Law; for sin is the transgression of the Law."


Romans 5:13, "For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law."


Romans 4:15, "Because the law works wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression."


Romans 3:28, "For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the Law.”


Romans 3:31, "Are we then doing away with the Law through the faith? By no means! Rather, we establish the Law*!"


1 John 1:8-10, "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His Word is not in us."


1 John 2:1-2, "My little children, I write these things to you, so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father: Yahshua Messiah, the Righteous; and He is the sacrifice of atonement for our sins, and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world."
If the Covenant was to be change why would this be prophesied?


Isaiah 24:1-6, "See, יהוה is making the earth empty and making it waste, and shall overturn its surface, and shall scatter abroad its inhabitants. 2 And it shall be – as with the people so with the priest, as with the servant so with his master, as with the female servant so with her mistress, as with the buyer so with the seller, as with the lender so with the borrower, as with the creditor so with the debtor; 3 the earth is completely emptied and utterly plundered, for יהוה has spoken this word. 4 The earth shall mourn and wither, the world shall languish and wither, the haughty people of the earth shall languish. 5 For the earth has been defiled under its inhabitants, because they have transgressed the Torah, changed the law, broken the everlasting covenant. 6 Therefore a curse shall consume the earth, and those who dwell in it be punished. Therefore the inhabitants of the earth shall be burned, and few men shall be left.


Matt 24:21-22, "For then will be great tribulation, such as has not come to pass since the beginning ofthe world to this time--no, nor ever will be. And unless those days were shortened, there would no flesh be saved; but for the elect's sake, those days will be shortened."


Romans 2:4-15, “Or do you despise the riches of His kindness, forbearance, and longsuffering; not realizing that יהוה’s kindness is meant to lead you to repentance? But according to your stubborn and impenitent mind you are storing up wrath for yourself for the day of יהוה’s wrath, when the righteous judgment of יהוה will be revealed; when He will reward each one according to his works: to the ones on the one hand, who, by patient persistence in doing righteousness, seek for glory, honor and immortality, He will give eternal life. But to the ones on the other hand, who are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, He will give indignation and wrath. Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man who does evil: to the Yahdai(Jew) first, and also to the Greek (Gentile) But glory, honor, and peace to every man who works righteousness: to the Yahdai first, and also to the Greek. For there is no respect of persons with יהוה. For all who have sinned without the law will also perish without the law, and all who have sinned under the law will be judged by the law. For it is not the hearers of the Law who are just before Yah, but the doers of the Law will be justified. For when Gentiles who do not have the Law do instinctively the things of the Law, these, not having the Law, are a law to themselves, in that they show the work of the Law written in their hearts, their conscience bearing witness and their thoughts alternately accusing (condemning sin) or else defending them (justifying sin).”


Jeremiah 31:33, "For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israyl: After those days, says YHWH: I will put My Law (Torah/Instructions) in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts, and I will be their Strength, and they will be My people."


Hebrews 10:16, "This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says YHWH: I will put My Law into their hearts, and in their minds I will write them.”


Romans 9:6-8, "However, it is not as though YHWH's plan had failed. For it is not everyone who is a descendant of Yisra’yl who belongs to Yisra’yl. Nor, just because they are his descendants, are they all Abraham's children; but: In Isaac will your seed be called. That is, it is not those who are the children of the flesh who are YHWH's children; but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham's seed."


Psalm 105:6-9, "O seed of Abraham His servant, You children of Yaaqob, His chosen ones! He is YHWH our Father! His judgments are in all the earth. He has remembered His covenant forever, the Law He commanded for a thousand generations; Which He made; ratified, established, with Abraham, and vowed by His oath to Isaac. He confirmed it; let it stand, to Yaaqob for a Law, and to Israyl for an everlasting covenant."


Exodus 2:23-25, “And it came to be after these many days that the sovereign of Mitsrayim died. And the children of Yisra’yl groaned because of the slavery, and they cried out. And their cry came up to the Mighty One because of the slavery. And the Mighty One heard their groaning, and the Mighty One remembered His covenant with Aḇraham, with Yitsḥaq, and with Ya‛aqoḇ. And the Mighty One looked on the children of Yisra’yl, and the Mighty One knew!”


Galatians 3:27-29, “For as many of you as were immersed into Messiah have put on Messiah. There is not Yehuḏi nor Greek, there is not slave nor free, there is not male and female, for you are all one in Messiah יהושע. And if you are of Messiah, then you are seed of Aḇraham, and heirs according to promise.”


Psalm 89:26-37, “He will call out to Me; ‘You are My Father, O YHWH! You are the Rock of My salvation!’ And I will make Him My firstborn, higher than the kings of the earth. My mercy I will keep for Him forever and My covenant will stand fast with Him. And I will establish His Seed forever, and His throne will be as the days of heaven. Should His children forsake My Law, and refuse to walk in My judgments; Should they profane My statutes, and fail to keep My commandments; Then I will punish their transgression with the rod, and their iniquity with lashes from the whip. Nevertheless, My lovingkindness I will not utterly withdraw from Him, nor will I ever betray My faithfulness. My covenant I will not break, nor will I change what has gone out of My lips. Once for all, I have vowed by My holiness, I cannot lie, and I say to David; His Seed will endure forever, and his throne will endure before Me like the sun. His throne will be established forever like the moon: the faithful witness in the sky.”
 
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Paul did not make Jesus a liar here EG. You can preach that if you want. But I’m going to choose Jesus over you.

He is making you a liar, Not jesus,

did you say what churhc you went to?
 

Marcelo

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Originally Posted by Marcelo

Ok, Hizikyah, then provide us with a list of mitzvot that apply to Christians.

Hizikyah said: I have in other threads directly to you, this is not the first time we have gone over this. Also I want to mention before I start that there are even those that would o away with the words of the Messiah pre Sacrifice even though He says "My words will never pass."/QUOTE]

Which Commands are valid for the followers of Messiah Yahshua/Jesus? All of them.


Very good question, Hizikyah! If I ask you how many mitzvot are applicable to Christians you have every right to ask me what teachings of Jesus Christ are still effective.

You know that when Jesus Christ was on earth the law of Moses was still in force and some of the Lord's teachings were only for the Jews. Jesus told his followers to sell their possessions and give alms, He told them to offer sacrifices, to literally wash one another's feet, etc. But this is off topic and we must first find a list of mitzvot that apply to us. You can't expect us to keep the law if you don't give us proper instruction on how to do it.
 

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I am saying that the Gospel of Jesus Christ and Christian Fundamentalism are worlds apart. I am saying that if you attend a Christian Fundamentalist Church you may not be worshipping Jesus.
This is a load of hogwash from the Devil.

Let us name Christian Fundamentalism for what it is: it is ‘another’ gospel’ which is no gospel at all. There is no good news in Fundamentalism...
More rubbish.
 

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Very good question, Hizikyah! If I ask you how many mitzvot are applicable to Christians you have every right to ask me what teachings of Jesus Christ are still effective.

You know that when Jesus Christ was on earth the law of Moses was still in force and some of the Lord's teachings were only for the Jews. Jesus told his followers to sell their possessions and give alms, He told them to offer sacrifices, to literally wash one another's feet, etc. But this is off topic and we must first find a list of mitzvot that apply to us. You can't expect us to keep the law if you don't give us proper instruction on how to do it.


I agree in that we need to know what He requires of us, and bottom line eavery humans has to be convinced in their own mind and heart of what He does want, rather than simply listening to another. Not that other people can not be right but all terachings should be cross checke with Messiah's words to see if they are correct IMO. and one person can not study for another, we can pray, show people the word and if we live with or by someone we can continually show them the word and by the light that He has granted, shine His light through ourselves. This is whhy I am such a big promoter of Yahshua and His own words over all others.

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John/Yahanan 14:26, “But the Comforter; the Holy Spirit which YHWH will send in My Name will teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatever I (Yahshua/Jesus) have said to you.”



[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John/Yahanan 6:63, "It is the Spirit that gives life; the flesh is useless. The words (Instructions) that I (Yahshua/Jesus) speak to you, they are Spirit, and they are life everlasting." [/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John/Yahanan 14:6, "Yahshua proclaimed to him: I am the way, the truth, and the life; no man comes to the Father, except through Me."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John/Yahanan 10:16, "And I have other sheep that are not of this fold. I must bring them also, and they will listen to My voice. So there will be one flock, one Shepherd (4166 – poimén)."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 24:35, “Heaven and earth may pass away, but My teachings will not pass away.”

and I know I catch a lot of criticsim but this is the final messafge given to man in written form by Yahshua Himself:

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Revelation 22:11-15, “He who does wrong, let him do more wrong; he who is filthy, let him be more filthy; he who is righteous, let him be more righteous; he who is set-apart, let him be more set-apart. And behold, I come quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give every man according as his work will be. I am the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. Blessed are those who keep His Laws, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For outside are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and worshipers of gods and everyone who professes to love, yet practices falsehood.”[/FONT]

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anyone who disagrees or claims another doctrin is calling Messiah a liar, not trying to be rude, but honestly His words are true and no matter if we are comforted ofr not, truth is truth.
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Marcelo

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I agree in that we need to know what He requires of us, ...
Many of the things that Jesus requires of us are found in the pauline epistles because Paul was the Lord's spokesman.

Partial obedience of the law of Moses is not accepted by God; the Law is all or nothing. It is futile to attempt to keep the law of Moses -- nobody can do it. Take a look at the 613 mitzvot and you'll see that many of them are completely Israelite in nature -- they have nothing to do with us.
 

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Many of the things that Jesus requires of us are found in the pauline epistles because Paul was the Lord's spokesman.

Partial obedience of the law of Moses is not accepted by God; the Law is all or nothing. It is futile to attempt to keep the law of Moses -- nobody can do it. Take a look at the 613 mitzvot and you'll see that many of them are completely Israelite in nature -- they have nothing to do with us.
The Law of Moses!!!!!

What about the Law of YHWH? mediated through Yahshua rather than through the Levites?
 

Marcelo

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The Law of Moses!!!!!

What about the Law of YHWH? mediated through Yahshua rather than through the Levites?
Law of Moses is short for The law of God given to us through Moses.