What was the "different gospel" in Galatians 1:6?l

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Grandpa

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Originally Posted by Grandpa
Romans 9:31-33
31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.
32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;
33 As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

Romans 10:3-4

3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.


Do legalists and judaizers just not understand scripture or do they purposely twist it to their own destruction?? If anyone wants Righteousness there is only One place to go.

If anyone wants Justification there is only One place to go.

If anyone wants Salvation there is only One place to go.

If anyone wants true Obedience there is only One place to go.

If anyone wants Wisdom and Knowledge there is only One place to go.

What do you say to the legalist who doesn't understand scripture but in the pride of his own carnality wants to be a teacher? I suppose you can quote scripture showing their view as error but if they don't understand or they wrestle it and twist it and are led away with the error of the wicked what then? Just let them find groups that will tickle their ears I suppose. They'll just have to be careful when they meet Christians. Because they'll hear all this again.

Originally Posted by lightbearer

You keep mentioning Judaizers, Legalist. and Pharisees. These are insulting words to say the least. Are these people that you don't agree with? You do understand according to Hebrews 4 we are to fear lest a promise being left us of entering into his rest (the Gospel), any of us should seem to come short of it. For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.

The Gospel was preached unto Israel up to the time of Christ. But it did not profit them because of their disobedience; they chose to sin rather than the rest in our LORD.

This what is disclosed in chapter three.

3:6 But Christ as a son over his own house; whose house are we, if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end.
3:7 Wherefore (as the Holy Ghost saith, To day, [now] if ye will hear his voice,......
8 Harden not your hearts,......
11 So I sware in my wrath, They shall not enter into my rest.
12 Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.
13 But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin. For they do alway err in their heart; and they have not known my ways.
14 For we are made partakers of Christ, (his indwelling Spirit) if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;
15 While it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts, as in the provocation.
16 For some, when they had heard, did provoke: howbeit not all that came out of Egypt by Moses.
17 But with whom was he grieved forty years? [was it] not with them that had sinned,

So in short. Through an Evil heart of unbelief, we depart from the living God. Because we hardened through the deceitfulness of sin and We will not know His ways.
So today hear his voice, harden not your hearts, as in the provocation when they did provoke. Them that sinned, evil hearted unbelievers, hardened through the deceitfulness of sin. Which whom was He grieved? Them that sinned and had not held their confidence steadfast unto the end. These are those who had not entered into His Rest.

Just so we are clear unbelief in the above text which is found in Hebrews three is this word in the Greek;

"ἀπειθέω (opp. πείθομαι; s. ἀπείθεια) impf. ἠπείθουν; 1 aor. ἠπείθησα (for ἀπιθέω [Hom.] since Aeschyl., Pla.+) disobey, be disobedient (cp. PYadin 24a, 10 [restored] of refusal); in our lit. disobedience is always toward God, God’s ordinances, or revelation..."

That excerpt is from the BDAG lexicon and is not my opinion. It is a fact.

So where was the Gospel preached to Israel as Hebrews 4 states.

At the foot of Mt Sinia. But it did not profit them because they chose sin rather than resting in HIM.

And the LORD thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live.

If thou shalt hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God,
to keep his commandments and his statutes which are written in this book of the law, and if thou turn unto the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul.
And where is HIS voice?

For this commandment which I command thee this day, it is not hidden from thee, neither is it far off. It is not in heaven, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go up for us to heaven, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it? Neither is it beyond the sea, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go over the sea for us, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it? But the word is very nigh unto thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart, that thou mayest do it.
(Deu 30:6,10-14 KJV)

The Greek Septuagint has Deut. 30:14 like this; The word is very near thee, in thy mouth, and in thine heart, and in thine hands to do it.
(Deu 30:14 Brenton)

These verses in the Greek Septuagint and in the Hebrew were readily accessible to all in the Church in Paul's time. Other than they being the Gospel, they would have been easily looked at and were when he quoted them in Romans 10:6-8 That is why quoted them.

So in regards to your use of Romans 9-10. Let's keep everything in context as Paul reveals the Gospel.

Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (That is, to bring Christ, the Word, all that GOD would have us be. HIS Commandments; HIS Statutes) down from above Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (That is, to bring up Christ, the Word, all that GOD would have us be. HIS Commandments; HIS Statutes again from the dead.) But what saith it? The word (Christ; the Word, the commandments; HIS Statutes manifested in the flesh, our flesh through His flesh) is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, in thy heart, and in thy hand: that we may do it; that is, THE WORD OF FAITH, which we preach

Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law. Because it; the Word; HIS Commands; HIS Statutes; HIS Christ is nigh us. In our hearts and in our mouths and in our hands that we do it. That is the word of Faith in which we speak. And that is Grace. For the LORD will circumcise our heart and the heart of our seed!

(Rom 3:21-22,31; 10:6-8; Deut 30:6,11 - 14 LXX)
2 Peter 3:17-18
17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.
18 But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.

Galatians 5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.

Romans 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

Galatians 2:19-21

19 For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.
20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

Galatians 3:2-3

2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
3Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?

Galatians 3:11-12

11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.

Galatians 3:23-25

23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

Matthew 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

Hebrews 4:2-3

2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.


We don't look back to the OT to see the gospel. We look ahead to Christ to see the gospel.
 
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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 7:9-11, “At one time I was alive without any connection to the Law. But when the rule was revealed, sin sprang to life, and I died. I found that the very rule that was intended to bring life actually brought death. For sin, seizing the opportunity provided by the rule, deceived me and used it to kill me.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Matt 19:17, "Jesus asked him, “Why ask me about what is good? There is only one who is good. If you want to get into that life, you must keep the commandments.”

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Revelation 22:11-15, “He who does wrong, let him do more wrong; he who is filthy, let him be more filthy; he who is righteous, let him be more righteous; he who is set-apart, let him be more set-apart. And behold, I come quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give every man according as his work will be. I am the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. Blessed are those who keep His Laws, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For outside are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and worshipers of gods and everyone who professes to love, yet practices falsehood.”[/FONT]

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Romans 7:9-11, “At one time I was alive without any connection to the Law. But when the rule was revealed, sin sprang to life, and I died. I found that the very rule that was intended to bring life actually brought death. For sin, seizing the opportunity provided by the rule, deceived me and used it to kill me.”
At one time I was alive without any connection to the Law. -Before being convicted by the law he thought he was alive .

But when the rule was revealed, sin sprang to life, and I died -When Paul realized his sinful nature he told himself: "I'm dead".

I found that the very rule that was intended to bring life actually brought death. -At first he believed that by keeping the commandments he would live, but later on realized that that was impossible.


 

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At one time I was alive without any connection to the Law. -Before being convicted by the law he thought he was alive .

But when the rule was revealed, sin sprang to life, and I died -When Paul realized his sinful nature he told himself: "I'm dead".

I found that the very rule that was intended to bring life actually brought death. -At first he believed that by keeping the commandments he would live, but later on realized that that was impossible.
You were doing good until you decided to interject your own fleshy thoughts into the Scriptures, and you purposely left out the very reason Paul said the Commandment killed him.

"13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid.


But sin,(Disobedience to God) that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good;(Not burdensome or impossible as you often preach) that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful. (Really, Really Bad and Evil)

The penalty for disobedience to God is so steep that we might learn NOT to do it. How in the earth do you get;

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-At first he believed that by keeping the commandments he would live, but later on realized that that was impossible.
out of Paul's explanation of disobedience to God causing death?

Paul also said:

What, shall I continue to disobey the Good, Holy and Just Commandments God created for me, because Jesus forgave my past transgressions?

GOD FORBID!!! How can I continue to rebel and disrespect and dishonor a God that has done so much for me. How can I continue to live a lifestyle that has already killed me once?

Remember what Paul said:

Rom. 2:12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
 

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You were doing good until you decided to interject your own fleshy thoughts into the Scriptures, and you purposely left out the very reason Paul said the Commandment killed him.

"13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid.

Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid -The law was good, but became death to Paul (made him aware that he was doomed to death because he had a sinful nature and could not be justified by the law).
 

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Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid-The law was good, but became death to Paul (made him aware that he was doomed to death because he had a sinful nature and could not be justified by the law).
Note: It was not the law that made death unto Paul -- it was sin.
 

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Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid -The law was good, but became death to Paul (made him aware that he was doomed to death because he had a sinful nature and could not be justified by the law).
I know what the Mainstream preaching is, I just don’t know how you come to your conclusion given what is actually written.
 

Marcelo

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I know what the Mainstream preaching is, I just don’t know how you come to your conclusion given what is actually written.
Let's see another version:


English Standard Version - Romans 7:13
Did that which is good (the law), then, bring death to me? By no means! It was sin, producing death in me through what is good (the law), in order that sin might be shown to be sin, and through the commandment (the law) might become sinful beyond measure.

"Interpreted translation":
Did the law bring death to me? No, what produced death in me was sin. The law just made sin much more evident in me than ever before.
 

Studyman

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Let's see another version:


English Standard Version - Romans 7:13
Did that which is good (the law), then, bring death to me? By no means! It was sin, producing death in me through what is good (the law), in order that sin might be shown to be sin, and through the commandment (the law) might become sinful beyond measure.

"Interpreted translation":
Did the law bring death to me? No, what produced death in me was sin. The law just made sin much more evident in me than ever before.
Why Marcelo?

Why did God go to all that trouble to show me just how EVIL, Exceedingly wicked, really, really bad disobedience to God is if Jesus had already nailed His Laws to the Cross?

Why is Paul even talking about sin if Jesus destroyed the Law?

Rom. 2:6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds:
To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:


8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,


9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;


10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:


11 For there is no respect of persons with God.


12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;


13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

Are we not to consider the Word's of Paul here as well? Is sin EVIL? Is disobedience to God "Good Works" or "doing evil"?

This is why I don't go to the organized churches of the world. They create confusion. It was only after I left them 20 years ago that I was able to answer these questions.
 

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Why Marcelo?

Why did God go to all that trouble to show me just how EVIL, Exceedingly wicked, really, really bad disobedience to God is if Jesus had already nailed His Laws to the Cross?

Why is Paul even talking about sin if Jesus destroyed the Law?
The law came some 1400 years before Jesus Christ.
 

Studyman

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The law came some 1400 years before Jesus Christ.
What Law? The Levitical Priesthood? Or the Law Abraham kept. And Jesus said His Word lasts forever. What is your point?
 

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What Law? The Levitical Priesthood? Or the Law Abraham kept. And Jesus said His Word lasts forever. What is your point?
The law of God given to the people of Israel through Moses.
 

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God gave Abraham no law. God told him what to do, Abraham did it. God said to the Disciples on the mount of transfiguration , about Jesus, in the presence of Moses and Elijah ( the law and the profits ) hear Him, clearly separating and elevating Christ's words over theirs. God the Father said hear the Son. the Son says to believe in Him. I do.

keep studying studyman, maybe one day........
 

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[FONT="][FONT=Arial][B][SIZE=3]Galatians chapter 1
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[I]6 [/I][/B][/FONT][I]I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you[B] [U]to live in the grace of Christ[/U][/B] and are turning to a different gospel—[/I][/FONT][I][FONT="][/FONT][FONT="]7 which is really no gospel at all.[/FONT][/I]


If the "different gospel" was not grace + the law of Moses, what was it then?
that particular false gospel was a gospel of works
 

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Acts 13:38 Be it known unto you therefore, men and brethren, that through this man is preached unto you the forgiveness of sins:

Acts 13:39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.
 

Studyman

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The law of God given to the people of Israel through Moses.
4 And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed;5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

God also gave His Laws to Abraham, how else would Abraham have kept them?
 

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Acts 13:38 Be it known unto you therefore, men and brethren, that through this man is preached unto you the forgiveness of sins:

Acts 13:39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.
What part of the Law of Moses spoke to the justification of sins?
 

Studyman

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that particular false gospel was a gospel of works
True,

The Pharisees had created their own Laws, their own image of God, their own version of God's Sabbath and their own version of the Levitical Priesthood which was all about Jesus until they defiled it.

That was the Law of Works. As Jesus said:

Matt. 23:4 For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.

This was their Laws and burdens, not God's Spiritual, Good, Just, and Holy commands.
 

Studyman

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God gave Abraham no law. God told him what to do, Abraham did it. God said to the Disciples on the mount of transfiguration , about Jesus, in the presence of Moses and Elijah ( the law and the profits ) hear Him, clearly separating and elevating Christ's words over theirs. God the Father said hear the Son. the Son says to believe in Him. I do.

keep studying studyman, maybe one day........
God gave Abraham no law!!!

OK G9, it's your religion you can preach what you want.
 

gb9

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God gave Abraham no law!!!

OK G9, it's your religion you can preach what you want.
John said in his Gospel, " the law came through Moses " . Paul said that sin was committed in the world before the law was given, and that death reigned from Adam through Moses ( the wages of sin is death ), with the Law not coming until Moses.

if you want to be technical ( because you will try to say this to dispute the truth I just dropped on you, as I said, I know folks like you, and your little tricks ), God did give Abram circumcision , which was part of the Mosaic Law. but, that's it. no Sabbath, no 9 other Commands , those were not given till hundreds of years later.