what we think of gays...

[worshipwarrior19]

Alright I've spoken on this in ther rooms. 1stly homosexcuiality IS wrong and IS a sin. God loves the sinner BUT HATES the sin. Homosexuals aren't born gay. thats like saying God made man or woman with a gay gene. No he didn't. How do you know? because God's intent is for man to marry woman as said in Genesis 2:24 "For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother, and be joined to his wife; and they shall become one flesh." And also to quote someone else "God made Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve." And besides without man and woman there would be no children on this earth and the Bible wouldnt even exist and there may be only two people in the whole world today. Because with two men or two women there is NO ability to reproduce. with that said, homosexuality was something done under Baals worship and practices as well as immorality, ritual prostitution, torture/mutilation, and infant sacrifice. now these very things are in effect today. immorality(self explanatory), ritual prostitution (premarital sex, prostitution, and anything else ungodly in this topic), infant sacrifice(ABORTION), torture/mutilation (Saw movies, peoples cutting, and any other torture/mutilation ,ovie in which tries to portray this as some acceptable form of entertainment), and homosexuality. now having said that homosexuality is sin, the next part is for those who are homosexuals who say that they are "a man in a woman's body" or "a woman in a man's body," they have a legitimate disease called Genital Identity Disorder. So these very people who have it seem to be walking around untreated. and people are trying to say that its acceptable. and under this assumption we should think the same of schizophrenics. but nonethelessit is primarily sin.

and as for the death thing. if homosexuals should be put to death then so should EVERY false prophet out there. this means we'd have to track down every prophet and they'd have to prophesy and see which 1 is a REAL prophet or not. and if it was true they lived, but if it was not then they were killed just like in the Old Testament. and besides if we kill homosexuals as according to the OT then we would all be killed. yet because of Jesus, we have the grace and ability for our sins to be forgiven. this is all I'll say on this right now.

 

[Cari]

Homosexuals say, "God made me to be gay", instead of saying the truth-God made them, and they CHOSE to become gay.

But they don't CHOOSE to become gay. Some of my very dearest friends are gay and they've been gay since the day they were born. It's not a lifestyle choice, like eating too much ice-cream, you either are or you aren't.

"But I have a CHOICE! whether or not to do it. God says wait till marriage, so I will wait till marriage"

Yes, fortunately for you God allows you to be with the person that you love, isn't that nice? He allows you to have sex with your partner, regardless of whether you have to wait until marriage or not. Whereas just because my best friend loves another woman she is denied being with that person forever because it doesn't fit in with an archaic book that was written by men? Scientific evidence points to the fact that people are not gay by choice. If God makes you a homosexual then that is what you are, there is an abundance of physiological evidence to suggest that you do not choose to become gay you are born that way. You choose whether or not to have sex before marriage with your partner, you are suggesting that gay people not be allowed that right at all.

 

[dodolah]

they have a legitimate disease called Genital Identity Disorder.

Do you mean Gender Identity Disorder?
LOL... there is no such thing as Genital Identity Disorder .

 

[worshipwarrior19]

Also, i just remembered one more thing. lets think about kids here. Jesus said while addressing children that "[However you treat the least of these is how you treat me.]" now in abortion sense and since abortion has become a convenience, it says that children have no value. because who is more least than a fetus who can't speak up in their defense and who can't defend themselves or the like. and likewise with homosexuality. if 2 women raise a boy how will he view men and women. he will view them as man supplies the seed and women the egg. if a boy is raised by 2 men then he will view women as unnecessary. and likewise if a girl is raised by 2 women then she will view men as unnecessary and if a girl is raised by 2 men then she will view men as supplying seed and women the egg. both of these are NOT the TRUE roles of man and woman in a society. however these very things make children seem unnecessary in todays society. so lets review abortion makes children seem like they have no value and homosexuality makes children seem inconvenient.

 

[worshipwarrior19]

o and btw dodolah yeah i meant Gender Identity Disorder.

 

[CristenJ]

But they don't CHOOSE to become gay. Some of my very dearest friends are gay and they've been gay since the day they were born. It's not a lifestyle choice, like eating too much ice-cream, you either are or you aren't.

"But I have a CHOICE! whether or not to do it. God says wait till marriage, so I will wait till marriage"

Yes, fortunately for you God allows you to be with the person that you love, isn't that nice? He allows you to have sex with your partner, regardless of whether you have to wait until marriage or not. Whereas just because my best friend loves another woman she is denied being with that person forever because it doesn't fit in with an archaic book that was written by men? Scientific evidence points to the fact that people are not gay by choice. If God makes you a homosexual then that is what you are, there is an abundance of physiological evidence to suggest that you do not choose to become gay you are born that way. You choose whether or not to have sex before marriage with your partner, you are suggesting that gay people not be allowed that right at all.

'Archaic book that was written by men?'

I'm not going to let that statement draw me into an argument, but I will say, I find it offensive to hear the Bible referred to that way. That being said...

I will argue whether people are born gay or not.

If people are born gay, as has been stated, that would mean that BABIES can be gay. INFANTS. TODDLERS. Am I the only person that idea doesn't sit well with?

Children are not homosexuals. It is a learned behavior, through circumstance, or whatever the case may be, but at some point, it BECOMES A CHOICE.

And yes, it IS like choosing to eat certain foods, actually...

An overweight person makes the same sorts of excuses. I know I certainly do..."I know it's wrong, but I just can't HELP myself when it comes to rich foods..."

A homosexual would say basically the same thing. They 'can't help it'.

They most certainly can. Some most certainly HAVE. There have been homosexuals who have changed their lifestyles and turned to Jesus. If being gay was NOT a choice, they wouldn't be able to change that, would they?

Here are a couple things that people ARE born with, that they do NOT choose: certain diseases, mental and physical handicaps, deformities...

I do allow for the fact that some children are sexually abused/traumatized at such a young age that they may not really consciously 'choose' to become gay. But even in a sad situation like that, the person can be healed through Christ and they CAN change.

Do I hate homosexuals? No, of course not. Do I treat them any differently than I do anyone else? No. Do I think they deserve to be tormented by society the way they are? No. I'm no better/worse than they are. God wants us to 'love thy neighbor as thyself', so that's what we should do. But they ARE wrong in that lifestyle, just as murderers are wrong, just as liars are wrong, just as thieves are wrong, just as drug addicts and abusers and rapists and greedy people and prideful people and self-righteous people and gluttons and other sexually immoral people are wrong. Every sinner CHOOSES that sin.

The point is, has been, and will always be, God Himself calls homosexuality an abomination. Anyone who tries to wiggle around that and make it 'ok to be gay' is going directly against God.

 

[olivetree32]

But they don't CHOOSE to become gay. Some of my very dearest friends are gay and they've been gay since the day they were born. It's not a lifestyle choice, like eating too much ice-cream, you either are or you aren't.

"But I have a CHOICE! whether or not to do it. God says wait till marriage, so I will wait till marriage"

Yes, fortunately for you God allows you to be with the person that you love, isn't that nice? He allows you to have sex with your partner, regardless of whether you have to wait until marriage or not. Whereas just because my best friend loves another woman she is denied being with that person forever because it doesn't fit in with an archaic book that was written by men? Scientific evidence points to the fact that people are not gay by choice. If God makes you a homosexual then that is what you are, there is an abundance of physiological evidence to suggest that you do not choose to become gay you are born that way. You choose whether or not to have sex before marriage with your partner, you are suggesting that gay people not be allowed that right at all.

first of all sister here is a verse for you.....
2Ti 3:16All Scripture [is] given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness,
the word may have been written by a man's hand's but it is inspired by God, living and active, sharper than any two edged sword. so this is the living word of God, eighther you want to obey it, or not. This word was written and created by God so we could live a Godly life and not do as we please as sinful human beings. From the moment we are born, we are born into sin, we have a sinful nature. It's up to the parents to raise there children in a Godley manner, and to trian them up in the way they should go, but if not, the world gets there hands on them, as well as there own flesh, and people make there own choices to sin agianst God. It's a choice if you or i deside to go out and have premarital sex just like them. But i don't see anything in the bible that points to being gay is ok with God. God wants to change them just like you and i, but that does not make one's lifestyle and choice ok if we sin agianst are own bodies, do you understand this?
our bodies are the living temple of God.

 

[olivetree32]

and bye the way Cari. If i was out sinning agianst God daily and my own body i can assure you im not recieving all the blessings God would have for my life, nor is anyone who is activily ingaging in that type of sin. I can assure you its not ok with God.

 

[maye]

I don't think homosexuality is wrong anyway, God made you the way you are and you don't choose to be gay so... yeah

cari - what do you base this on? where in God's word can you show that your comments are true?
please read in the BIBLE here are just a few verses:

LEVITICUS 18:22 DO NOT LIE WITH A MAN AS ONE LIES WITH A WOMAN; THAT IS DESTESTABLE.

1 CORINTHIANS 6:9-11 DO YOU NOT KNOW THAT THE WICKED WILL NOT INHERIT THE KINGDOM OF GOD? DO NOT BE DECEIVED: NEITHER THE SEXUALLY IMMORAL NOR IDOLATERS NOR ADULTERERS NOR MALE PROSTITUTES NOR HOMOSEXUAL OFFENDERS NOR THIEVES NOR THE GREEDY NOR DRUNKARDS NOR SLANDERERS NOR SWINDLERS WILL INHERIT THE KINGDOM OF GOD. AND THAT IS WHAT SOME OF YOU WERE. BUT YOU WERE WASHED, YOU WERE SANCTIFIED, YOU WERE JUSTIFIED IN THE NAME OF THE LORD JESES CHRIST AND BY THE SPIRIT OF OUR GOD.

ROMANS 1: 18-32 THIS PASSAGE TALKS ABOUT HOW PEOPLE DO NOT KNOW GOD'S WORD SO THEY THINK SIN IS OKAY AND HE CALLS HOMOSEXUALITY A PERVERSION.

there are lots more about this subject, please take time a study on this subject and also it is very important to pray about this!!!

sorry to say but the world is wrong and God is right!! homosexuality is a SIN! well, i take that back i am never sorry to say God is right!

 

[maye]

sorry CARI- i have to ask you another question. what physilogical evidence are you talking about? please quote the medical journal you read. this sounds more and more like something you may have heard on oprah or read in people magazine. i would really like you to reply to this and state where you get your evidence on this "physiological" stuff you base a very important opion on! also the BIBLE has never been proven wrong - even though man has tried to find fault in it and also it is INSPIRED by GOD! yes - HE had man write it. and so what - did not man write the views you are standing up for?!?!?!?

 

[incorporatestreet]

i honestly do not think that gay people should be put to death.
isnt that a form of segragation?
didnt we do that to the indians and the blacks?

hmm.
the bible also says 'love your neighbor'
so no matter what, we have to love everyone as ourself.
so that means homosexuals too then, huh.

just a thought.

 

[dodolah]

i honestly do not think that gay people should be put to death.
isnt that a form of segragation?
didnt we do that to the indians and the blacks?

hmm.
the bible also says 'love your neighbor'
so no matter what, we have to love everyone as ourself.
so that means homosexuals too then, huh.

just a thought.

Although I agree on your thoughts about gay people should not be persecuted, I do not, however, agree on equalizing sexual preference with racial issues.
They are both different and has nothing to do with each other.
You cannot equalize the persecution of native Americans and African American with gays.
Let's not go there.

 

[incorporatestreet]

Its obviously a touchy subject.
but it doesnt matter what race you are, you stil have the choice of being
gay no matter what. its a personal choice.
but in all honesty, in a way it is a form of segragation.
in my mind anyway...
if we push away homosexuals in churches, or even as our friends
how will they know that their lifestyle isnt pure? but do we as straight
people have the right to condem others for their lifestyles? no we dont.
i do believe that is Gods job. its not right for us to bring them down bc of
their sexual preferance. in the end we still have to love them bc that is what God said to do.

dont get offencive in these forums, its where people share their opinions
and thoughts on specific topics, there is no reason to come down on someone
for thinking a certain way.

 

[Soldier_Of_Christ]

I will second what was said about not equating racial segregation with sexual preference. I have heard at least one black man expound on how insulted he was that the gays were trying to make such a comparison. A person does not choose what color they will be before being born or anytime after. Your color is chosen by God and it's not a sin to be born any particular color. It is a sin to judge anyone based on the color of their skin. God had a severe judgment for their prejudice. See Numbers 12 for details on that topic. On the other hand the Bible specifically says not to keep company or fellowship with people who call themselves Christians and yet are living in sin. 1 Corinthians 5 details and verses 9-11 detail several typers of sinful activites of people with whom we should not even share a meal.

I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators: Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world. But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.
1 Corinthians 5:9-11

The following chapter rebukes people who are not grounded enough in scripture to judge among their family in church:

Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters? Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life? If then ye have judgments of things pertaining to this life, set them to judge who are least esteemed in the church. I speak to your shame. Is it so, that there is not a wise man among you? no, not one that shall be able to judge between his brethren?
1 Corinthians 6:2-5

Hopefully that will stop the people getting upset about being judging. There are many many more verses making it clear that judging is part of the Chrisitan life without being judgmental. Paul makes it clear in 1 Corinthians 5, if anyone wants to read the whole chapter, sometimes judging is the most loving thing you can do. Pauls loving action of judging and kicking someone out of church for their sin (delivered him to satan for the destruction of his flesh 1 Cor 5:5) was the very thing that brought that person to repentance later (2 Cor 2:6-11).

Paul said in 1 Cor 5:2 that those church people were too puffed up to judge the wickedness among them and should have put that person out of church without him having to tell them to. In other words, if they had not judged that person's sin and had let him stay in church, he could and likely would have died in his sin and be in hell today. Because of Paul's tough love and willingness to judge according to God's word we will see that man in heaven.

Love does not allow a friend to walk blindly into a certain death. Love speaks up and warns of danger. How many people are burning in hell right now because their friends were "too loving" to tell them the truth about their sin. This is not an excuse to go around hating people and looking for everyone we can tell how wrong they are. Ephesians 4:15 says, "But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:"

 

[incorporatestreet]

im not saying that race and sexual preference are the same because it isnt at all.
what im saying is that we judged the blacks by their color.
and now we are judging the gays by their lifestyles and pushing them away.
we killed blacks and in this post was mentioned the death penalty.

in a WAY it is a FORM of segragation because gays are people too.
so no matter what we are comanded to love them.

but apparently im not explaining my thoughts clearly so that others
can understand. i dont know.

 

[Soldier_Of_Christ]

Judging blacks for being black is judging them for something they had no choice in and is not a sin for them to be. It is a sin for us to judge and persecute them based on skin color. Sin is a choice and the Bible has very cleat instructions for how to handle such things. That was the point of that secion of my post.

 

[Missy]

Wow. Put to death. Well didn't the Lord say that the wages of sin are death? I think that means all sin. So we are ALL destined to die for our sins, even in grace and with the forgiveness of God, we will die.

Didn't Jesus also stop the people from stoning the adultress, by saying to the people "let he who is without sin cast the first stone"?

The fact is, we are all sinners, and commit sins every single day, until the day we die. If we didn't, then we wouldn't have needed mercy from God, in the form of Jesus dying on the cross.

I think people are so caught up in singling out a group of people, and administering judgements upon them, that they forget they themselves have been convicted of their own sins, just with the sin in their minds, as Jesus said we are guilty of. If we have thought of it, we have done it.

I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm trusting the Lords judgement to be fair and true, righteous judgement. None of us can claim that our judgement is righteous, because we ALL sin.

 

[incorporatestreet]

im not focusing on the color.
what im trying to get at is that we killed them and seperated ourselves
from them for being different than us.
and we are seperating ourselves and judging gays when really,
we need to be there and help them get to know god so that they
can learn that their lifestyle is unpure.

thats the point im trying to make.
if it doesnt make sense, im sorry. its just how i think.

im for equal rights not matter what gender, race, or sexual preference you are.
because we are people and god created us equally.
yeah, people dont choose the best lifestyles.
but that doesnt just go for homosexuals, that goes for probably
over half of the population. and either way we need to be there for them
no matter what choices they make in life. we need to show them the light
of jesus christ and the love that he has for them and his truth.

well said missy

 

[dodolah]

and we are seperating ourselves and judging gays when really,
we need to be there and help them get to know god so that they
can learn that their lifestyle is unpure.

Again, I agree on what your fundamental thoughts about the ungodly judgments toward gays.
It is just that comparing the segregation of Blacks with homosexuals are, to me, like comparing oranges and tomatoes. They are not even in the same categories of plants.
Like you said so yourself that homosexuality lifestyle is impure. But, there is NOTHING impure at all with being blacks. Hence, the comparison is lopsided.
I'm not trying to be condescending. And, I apologize if you took offense in what I said.

im for equal rights not matter what gender, race, or sexual preference you are.
because we are people and god created us equally.
yeah, people dont choose the best lifestyles.
but that doesnt just go for homosexuals, that goes for probably
over half of the population. and either way we need to be there for them
no matter what choices they make in life. we need to show them the light
of jesus christ and the love that he has for them and his truth.

Certainly! And I agree with you.
I took the lesson from what Jesus done to the prostitutes who were about to be stoned to death.
He forgave her and told her to go and sin no more.
I am all for showing the light to the world.
But, not to the expense of agreeing with their lifestyles and bending the word of God to fit into such pressure.

Obviously, putting the gays to death is a heinous thing to do.

 

[maye]

incorporatestreet- how can you state that you think all sexual preferences should have equal rights? what do you base that on in God's word? please quote scripture. i agree that sin is sin but i would NEVER vote for gay rights because God's word tell US ALL that homosexuality is WRONG therefore why should they have equal rights? i am tyring to understand all your post but i had to respond to your lastest post.