And in being "right" do you think you are winning them to Christ or will they just see you, Christ's servant preaching rejection and in turn consider themselves rejected by Christ? I'm not saying I agree with their choices but I do think time needs to be taken to pray and reflect on how God would have you say it so they truly hear your words and didnt just hear your judgement. When you come up with something... or if anyone knows or has insite it would be great to hear. I love my nephew and his partner and wish I had the right words for them.
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There is NO ONE born gay. Homosexuality is a perversion/twisting of human sexuality. We are by nature sexual beings, male and female. The design is copulation of the two which can result in the propagation of the species.
Homosexuality is a self-defeating choice. If it is genetic and all gays give in to their desires they would never procreate. Thus the genetic issue would disappear within a few generations. Seeing that such has never happened, it is learned from others or a perversion of one's own lust
Homosexuality is a self-defeating choice. If it is genetic and all gays give in to their desires they would never procreate. Thus the genetic issue would disappear within a few generations. Seeing that such has never happened, it is learned from others or a perversion of one's own lust
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ChristisLord,
The unfortunate existence of Hermaphrodites does not address the issue of Homosexuality. That being the case your statement is false. A hermaphrodite is an unfortunate congenital birth DEFECT. Homosexuality is about desire and behavior. Hermaphrodites may have mixes sex organs but it can usually be discern at the chromosomal level which dominates and then surgery can be performed to correct the abnormality.
The unfortunate existence of Hermaphrodites does not address the issue of Homosexuality. That being the case your statement is false. A hermaphrodite is an unfortunate congenital birth DEFECT. Homosexuality is about desire and behavior. Hermaphrodites may have mixes sex organs but it can usually be discern at the chromosomal level which dominates and then surgery can be performed to correct the abnormality.
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I think we like to preach hardest against the sins that tempt us the least. It's human nature. It's kind of like how sometimes I used to give people a hard time for not donating blood, since I read almost everyone will need it one day (here in Canada one cannot sell their blood so Canadian Blood Services relys exclusively on donations). However, I conviently have medical conditions which disqualifies me from donating blood, and truth be told, even if I didn't have those conditions I sitll would like the idea of it. Sound hyporcritical? Well, technically its not hypocracy. What I see is a lot of Christians pointing the common finger at homosexuals while overlooking the sins that tempt us such as those that Thaddaeus brought up. Pornography is a big one. I read an article on the prevailence of use amoung church goers and the stats are really, really scary. It's this darn Internet which we love so much that's a big part of the problem. See, if one has a problem with substance abuse that's hard to hide because of the physical effects, if one is addicted to gambling they're run into financial troubles, if one uses prostitutes they're get caught sooner or later. But, with internet porn, is easily accessable, legal, and can even be free! At college and career we had a recovering porn addict speak openly about what his addiction did to his family and his life and his relationship with God. It's really scary. If it's such a big problem, though, why don't Christians campain to make internet pornography illegal?
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The other problem that I see (that some of you have touched on) is that when you say "What we think of gays" it sounds like you're talking about gay people instead of the act of homosexuality that is condemed in Romans 1. That implies that one doesn't actually have to sin to be condemed in this situation. If one has always been attracted to the same sex but have never actually had sex, does that make them any worse than those of us who have opposite attraction that we're never acted on? I agree that marriage is under fire, but I don't see homosexuality as the main culpret. I don't have the actual statistics in front of me, but I bet more marriages have been broken up by adultery, addiction, illness and financial stress.
This is why I'm so confused that so many Christians voted for McCain. This is what Wikipedia said, "During this period in Florida, McCain had extramarital affairs, and the McCains' marriage began to falter, for which he later would accept blame.[62][63] In April 1979,[58] McCain met Cindy Lou Hensley, a teacher from Phoenix, Arizona, whose father had founded a large beer distributorship.[63] They began dating, and he urged his wife Carol to grant him a divorce, which she did in February 1980, with the uncontested divorce taking effect in April 1980.[20][58] The settlement included two houses, and financial support for her ongoing medical treatments due to her 1969 car accident; they would remain on good terms.[63] McCain and Hensley were married on May 17, 1980, with Senators William Cohen and Gary Hart attending as groomsmen.[19][63] McCain’s children did not attend, and several years would pass before they reconciled." Remember, that's Wikipedia, so if you know for a fact that any of that information is wrong, just go change it.
See, I wonder if the Republican candidate had been a gay man who lived with another man his entire adult life and never broken a vow made at the alter, if Christians would have voted for him in the same numbers they did McCain. I mean, I know the answer is no, because there seems to be a much lower tolderance for homosexuality than for adultery, divorce and remarriage, even though the latter was directly addressed in the Sermon on the Mount. But if I made the laws, anyone who's adultery broke up their marriage would never be allowed to remarry or claim cohabitation benefits. I think that would do more for marriage.
This is why I'm so confused that so many Christians voted for McCain. This is what Wikipedia said, "During this period in Florida, McCain had extramarital affairs, and the McCains' marriage began to falter, for which he later would accept blame.[62][63] In April 1979,[58] McCain met Cindy Lou Hensley, a teacher from Phoenix, Arizona, whose father had founded a large beer distributorship.[63] They began dating, and he urged his wife Carol to grant him a divorce, which she did in February 1980, with the uncontested divorce taking effect in April 1980.[20][58] The settlement included two houses, and financial support for her ongoing medical treatments due to her 1969 car accident; they would remain on good terms.[63] McCain and Hensley were married on May 17, 1980, with Senators William Cohen and Gary Hart attending as groomsmen.[19][63] McCain’s children did not attend, and several years would pass before they reconciled." Remember, that's Wikipedia, so if you know for a fact that any of that information is wrong, just go change it.
See, I wonder if the Republican candidate had been a gay man who lived with another man his entire adult life and never broken a vow made at the alter, if Christians would have voted for him in the same numbers they did McCain. I mean, I know the answer is no, because there seems to be a much lower tolderance for homosexuality than for adultery, divorce and remarriage, even though the latter was directly addressed in the Sermon on the Mount. But if I made the laws, anyone who's adultery broke up their marriage would never be allowed to remarry or claim cohabitation benefits. I think that would do more for marriage.
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I agree that this is why a "gay gene" is pretty much impossible. Genes that get passed down are those that aid reproduction, not hinder it. However, that does not make homosexualty (the orientation, not the act) a choice. If someone says they felt that way their whole life (or at least since puberty) who am I to say that's not true? I don't know what it's like to be them. And while I've heard that some gay people talk about their orintation being the result of estrangement from their father or whatever, that's just not true for everyone. Furthermore, I knew a guy when I was a teenager who really wanted to ba Christian and prayed, and prayed and prayed and prayed that God would take away his same sex attraction. Should I say that he didn't pray hard enough because God didn't answer his prayer? No, because God doesn't always answer prayer (unless it's a prayer for salvation or forgiveness) and this situation is no different. Why would God not answer a sencere prayer to make someone heterosexual (or answer it with "no") if God wants everyone to be heterosexual? I don't have an answer for that and I don't think anyone does. Does that change the fact that Romans 1 makes it pretty clear that God does not bless same sex relationships? No, it doesn't.
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Oh, but just because something isn't genetic doesn't automatically make it a choice. Just think of idenitcal twins, their genetics is exactly the same but they can be very different people. Oh, and the other reason why we know that homosexuality is genetic because only 50% of gay people with identical twins have twins who are that are gay. But, that shouldn't really matter, should it? Even if it was genetic it wouldn't change what the Bible says about it because sin is sin even if (as I think someone else brought up) they are genetically predispositioned to certain sins like addiction. Besdies, just think about what Jesus said about people being born eunichs. I don't think of someone who has the "addiction gene" or "born homosexual" or are XYY are are more aggressive (if that is true). We all have sinful nature and are in equal need of salvation.
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*sigh* it seems nomatter where I go there is always a thread on homosexuality, and it usually ends up being the most hotly contested, longest, and most thriving thread in the bunch.
I think what other people have said sums it up....it's a sin, and we're sinners. It's a sin that needs salvation, just like all our sins need salvation.
I dont believe youa re BORN gay, why? Because God made you, and to God homosexuality is an abomination....and the bible clearly says that we are made in the image of God, and "a house divided cannot stand" therefore you CANNOT be born gay because if that were true you would be BORN an abomination and since you are the image of God God would have to be an abomination.....which is impossible!!!!
I also dont believe in gay marriage, and if anyone asks me that question I tell them flat out that there is no such thing. Marriage is an institution established by GOD, between a man and a woman....therefore Gay marriage does not exist.
Thirdly, as so often said in this thread, we love them because they're sinners like us. We dont condemn them, but we do condemn their lifestyles, and we wait for the day when every knee shall bow and every tounge confess that Jesus Christ is Lord.
In the meantime, check urselves and worry about what YOUR doing instead of what others are doing, and work on your relationship with God. Do that, and you'll radiate with his glory to the point where those around you will want what you have! Yes...even the gay people!
I think what other people have said sums it up....it's a sin, and we're sinners. It's a sin that needs salvation, just like all our sins need salvation.
I dont believe youa re BORN gay, why? Because God made you, and to God homosexuality is an abomination....and the bible clearly says that we are made in the image of God, and "a house divided cannot stand" therefore you CANNOT be born gay because if that were true you would be BORN an abomination and since you are the image of God God would have to be an abomination.....which is impossible!!!!
I also dont believe in gay marriage, and if anyone asks me that question I tell them flat out that there is no such thing. Marriage is an institution established by GOD, between a man and a woman....therefore Gay marriage does not exist.
Thirdly, as so often said in this thread, we love them because they're sinners like us. We dont condemn them, but we do condemn their lifestyles, and we wait for the day when every knee shall bow and every tounge confess that Jesus Christ is Lord.
In the meantime, check urselves and worry about what YOUR doing instead of what others are doing, and work on your relationship with God. Do that, and you'll radiate with his glory to the point where those around you will want what you have! Yes...even the gay people!
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*sigh* it seems nomatter where I go there is always a thread on homosexuality, and it usually ends up being the most hotly contested, longest, and most thriving thread in the bunch.
I think what other people have said sums it up....it's a sin, and we're sinners. It's a sin that needs salvation, just like all our sins need salvation.
I dont believe youa re BORN gay, why? Because God made you, and to God homosexuality is an abomination....and the bible clearly says that we are made in the image of God, and "a house divided cannot stand" therefore you CANNOT be born gay because if that were true you would be BORN an abomination and since you are the image of God God would have to be an abomination.....which is impossible!!!!
I also dont believe in gay marriage, and if anyone asks me that question I tell them flat out that there is no such thing. Marriage is an institution established by GOD, between a man and a woman....therefore Gay marriage does not exist.
Thirdly, as so often said in this thread, we love them because they're sinners like us. We dont condemn them, but we do condemn their lifestyles, and we wait for the day when every knee shall bow and every tounge confess that Jesus Christ is Lord. In the meantime, check urselves and worry about what YOUR doing instead of what others are doing, and work on your relationship with God. Do that, and you'll radiate with his glory to the point where those around you will want what you have! Yes...even the gay people!
I think what other people have said sums it up....it's a sin, and we're sinners. It's a sin that needs salvation, just like all our sins need salvation.
I dont believe youa re BORN gay, why? Because God made you, and to God homosexuality is an abomination....and the bible clearly says that we are made in the image of God, and "a house divided cannot stand" therefore you CANNOT be born gay because if that were true you would be BORN an abomination and since you are the image of God God would have to be an abomination.....which is impossible!!!!
I also dont believe in gay marriage, and if anyone asks me that question I tell them flat out that there is no such thing. Marriage is an institution established by GOD, between a man and a woman....therefore Gay marriage does not exist.
Thirdly, as so often said in this thread, we love them because they're sinners like us. We dont condemn them, but we do condemn their lifestyles, and we wait for the day when every knee shall bow and every tounge confess that Jesus Christ is Lord.
In the meantime, check urselves and worry about what YOUR doing instead of what others are doing, and work on your relationship with God. Do that, and you'll radiate with his glory to the point where those around you will want what you have! Yes...even the gay people!
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Its easy to be judgemental, isnt' it. The question shouldn't even be a question that is asked, "What do you think of gays". Its a loaded question and asking you to pass judgement. Doing so is not our place and it certianly is not our place to judge especilly in such a sweeping generalizing fashion. Yes some, many, if not most choose the lifestyle. Some are born that way, yes its scientific fact. Up to 2% of the population are born with with sexual organ deformaties and or chromosome mix ups you could say. Now put yourself in thier shoes. You are born, with both, or mix of sexual organs, you look female but really genetically you are a male with female sex organs. Hermaphridites are a fact of human life as it is with most life on the planet. God created it, so is it evil? They have hormones like the rest of us, and hormones rule your day to what you think and feel. Now we are telling them you can't act on them becasue it would be evil. Its real easy to judge or say how they should act or what they should do when you yourself have never had to deal with being born gay, or transexual or hermaphrodite. I would say most Christian s are plain old ignorant of the statistical facts and base thier judgements on these people on purely dogmatic teachings of some zealous preacher. You all need to wear your own clothes and not the clothes of anyother man. In other words, think for yourself, keep your witts about you, always look for a deeper understanding, pray about it. Persoanlly I find it disgusting the reaction of Christians and society in general have towards these born that way people. Some choose it, some don't. I am tired of people looking at any deformity and saying..."well they must have committed a sin or thier parents did". Why do you always look for justification? Christians should reject dogmatic teachings that are generalizations of a whole group of people. What do I think of gays? I don't. I know they are human, I know they can do good or bad, but who the hell are you to judge them? Take care of your own glass house.
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Agnes
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