When does the rapture occur?
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Not biblical? I just gave you all of the scriptures. How is not biblical? I just showed you the different resurrections and they can't possibly take place at the same time. Bye the way, instead of saying "Nope. Sorry. Not biblical" you are the one that is not being biblical by not refuting what I just presented with out scripture. 
As for the "First Resurrection" and the rest -- I will have to "demonstrate scripture" later, when I have more time...
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: xref-6 [xref-1]
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. xref-11 [xref-1]
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. n
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. xref-11 [xref-1]
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. n
Greetings Apostol2013,
The on-going error of expositors is to make the events of the resurrection and catching away synonymous with Christ's return to the earth to end the age and establish his millennial kingdom, yet they are two separate events. The Scripture that you quoted above is in reference to the latter, when Christ returns to the earth to end the age.
Regarding the above, angels do not gather those who are resurrected and those who are changed and caught up. For at the resurrection and catching away we ourselves become like the angels in heaven, having immediately been changed into our glorified bodies. The Scripture above is directly related to the parable in Matt.13:24-29, 36-43 where at the end of the age, the angels descend with the Lord to the earth and he sends them out to first collect the son's of the evil one, who are symbolic of the weeds (one taken). After the weeds are collected, then they collect the wheat, which are the son's of the kingdom. Both groups are those who will not have died, but will have lived through to the end of the great tribulation and therefore will still be in their mortal bodies and these are who the angels will be gathering. This group, along with the woman/Israel who will have been cared for out in the desert for that last 3 1/2 years, will be those who will repopulate the earth during the millennial kingdom. Read Matt.24:29-31 and then go read Matt.13:24-29, 36-43. It is living people who are being gathered by the angels at the end of the age.
The on-going error of expositors is to make the events of the resurrection and catching away synonymous with Christ's return to the earth to end the age and establish his millennial kingdom, yet they are two separate events. The Scripture that you quoted above is in reference to the latter, when Christ returns to the earth to end the age.
Regarding the above, angels do not gather those who are resurrected and those who are changed and caught up. For at the resurrection and catching away we ourselves become like the angels in heaven, having immediately been changed into our glorified bodies. The Scripture above is directly related to the parable in Matt.13:24-29, 36-43 where at the end of the age, the angels descend with the Lord to the earth and he sends them out to first collect the son's of the evil one, who are symbolic of the weeds (one taken). After the weeds are collected, then they collect the wheat, which are the son's of the kingdom. Both groups are those who will not have died, but will have lived through to the end of the great tribulation and therefore will still be in their mortal bodies and these are who the angels will be gathering. This group, along with the woman/Israel who will have been cared for out in the desert for that last 3 1/2 years, will be those who will repopulate the earth during the millennial kingdom. Read Matt.24:29-31 and then go read Matt.13:24-29, 36-43. It is living people who are being gathered by the angels at the end of the age.
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No,that scenario doesn't work.
The jews are harvested during the gt,by the one on the cloud with the sickle(jesus) (ripe fruit).
If you keep reading,the wicked are gathered immediately after the jewish remnant.
One taken,one left is the rapture.
mat 24 starts with jesus being asked 3 questions.
Trying to force fit the demographics of the millennium is a rabbit trail. It does not matter who populates the mil.
That non issue of demographics is a postrib false flag to divert attention away from the word.
9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight. xref-2 [xref-2]
10 And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel; xref-1
11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven
10 And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel; xref-1
11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven
he must look at scripture just the way it is written the reaping the harvest at Christ returns is this two events 1-2 taken away those that are dead in Christ little ones that are sleeping and second the reaping and catching away of those that are alive and you escapet you escape these things because at this second return he is coming back just as He left I'm not going to release too much information but I will say believe in the Holy Scriptures as written you cannot be in self denial of the truthnot be ignorant and follow Man traditions rather than follow God for the following of God is better than anything and the recompense it purified glorified Church chaste virgin undefiled by Any because he have been grafted into the promise through Christ therefore you have been grafted into Israel standing steadfast and follow His commandments true see your heart not beguiled through obscured understanding that only comes because of the flesh the way that Christ left is the only way that he will return many misunderstand scriptures to their own destructionnow we that believe in Christ believe in the resurrection of the just and if we believe in the resurrection of the chest is because of Christ and Christ gave us. Hope whether we go to tribulation or whatever situation we may go through that if we stand steadfast in Christ in the spirit of Christ and not the flesh we will be harvested in the last days and will see the glory of God and rule with him side by side in his millennium and stand with him
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I don't have a problem with the word(s) 'heaven' or the word 'angels' -- they "fit nicely and work just fine" in the context...
However, the idea of a "pre-tribulation rapture" that is after the tribulation -- you may have to explain that one...
However, the idea of a "pre-tribulation rapture" that is after the tribulation -- you may have to explain that one...
Maybe we can try this;
12 Now when every maid's turn was come to go in to king Ahasuerus, after that she had been twelve months, according to the manner of the women, (for so were the days of their purifications accomplished, to wit, six months with oil of myrrh, and six months with sweet odours, and with other things for the purifying of the women
13 Then thus came every maiden unto the king; whatsoever she desired was given her to go with her out of the house of the women unto the king's house.
14 In the evening she went, and on the morrow she returned into the second house of the women, to the custody of Shaashgaz, the king's chamberlain, which kept the concubines: she came in unto the king no more, except the king delighted in her, and that she were called by name.
15 Now when the turn of Esther, the daughter of Abihail the uncle of Mordecai, who had taken her for his daughter, was come to go in unto the king, she required nothing but what Hegai the king's chamberlain, the keeper of the women, appointed. And Esther obtained favour in the sight of all them that looked upon her.
16 So Esther was taken unto king Ahasuerus into his house royal in the tenth month, which is the month Tebeth, in the seventh year of his reign.
Your version;
Before the bride goes before the king a preparation time is required. Knives,swords,blood and beatings.
These things prepare the bride for the king's bedroom.
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"And Jesus said unto them, Can the children of the bridechamber mourn, as long as the bridegroom is with them? but the days will come, when the bridegroom shall be taken from them, and then shall they fast."
As always,you seek to remove the bride/groom context.
Kiss a pretty french girl for me...lol
As always,you seek to remove the bride/groom context.
Kiss a pretty french girl for me...lol
There is no such thing as a rapture. Jesus never said he would rapture his people off. Instead he tells you signs to look out for, that will let you know that the tribulation is beginning...Matthew 24:15-22 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoke by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand) Then them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains: Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house: Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes. And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days! But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the Sabbath day: For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
GOD tells us to flee, not that he will rapture you away... He has a place of safety for his people. However you must know when to flee.
The abomination desolation is who others call the antichrist or man of sin, which will go sit in the 3rd temple which is to be built and declare himself GOD.
I hope this help,
jayoish
GOD tells us to flee, not that he will rapture you away... He has a place of safety for his people. However you must know when to flee.
The abomination desolation is who others call the antichrist or man of sin, which will go sit in the 3rd temple which is to be built and declare himself GOD.
I hope this help,
jayoish
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Everything you have said here is correct, except (LOL) for the man of sin sitting in the temple claiming to be God.
I said that with a laughter because you are not exactly wrong for this will happen as it marks the final 3 1/2 years, however the actual abomination of desolation is what Revelation 13:14-15 is speaking of.
Because if one goes back to the OT and to Daniel one will find out the AOD will be in the same manner as was done back then when an idol was placed in the temple.
I said that with a laughter because you are not exactly wrong for this will happen as it marks the final 3 1/2 years, however the actual abomination of desolation is what Revelation 13:14-15 is speaking of.
Because if one goes back to the OT and to Daniel one will find out the AOD will be in the same manner as was done back then when an idol was placed in the temple.
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Wow. Maybe you have never seen these verses?
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
10 And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.
40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.
43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.
44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.
Uh,no he did not.
He told jews in jerusalem. You are way off.
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
10 And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.
40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.
43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.
44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.
Uh,no he did not.
He told jews in jerusalem. You are way off.
I'm on my honeymoon so that's not going to work, LOL.
Remove the Groom/Bride context??? Not so my dear friend. I am showing you that the pair are not pristine but rather bare the scars of their work on earth.
GROOM:
John 20:27
Then He said to Thomas, “Reach your finger here, and look at My hands; and reach your hand here, and put it into My side. Do not be unbelieving, but believing.”
Revelation 5:6
And I looked, and behold, in the midst of the throne and of the four living creatures, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as though it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent out into all the earth.
BRIDE:
“These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. [SUP]15 [/SUP]Therefore they are before the throne of God, and serve Him day and night in His temple. And He who sits on the throne will dwell among them. [SUP]16 [/SUP]They shall neither hunger anymore nor thirst anymore; the sun shall not strike them, nor any heat;
Remove the Groom/Bride context??? Not so my dear friend. I am showing you that the pair are not pristine but rather bare the scars of their work on earth.
GROOM:
John 20:27
Then He said to Thomas, “Reach your finger here, and look at My hands; and reach your hand here, and put it into My side. Do not be unbelieving, but believing.”
Revelation 5:6
And I looked, and behold, in the midst of the throne and of the four living creatures, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as though it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent out into all the earth.
BRIDE:
“These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. [SUP]15 [/SUP]Therefore they are before the throne of God, and serve Him day and night in His temple. And He who sits on the throne will dwell among them. [SUP]16 [/SUP]They shall neither hunger anymore nor thirst anymore; the sun shall not strike them, nor any heat;
Hi Plainword,
Those mentioned above are never referred to as the church/bride, but are the great tribulation saints. If you'll notice, from Rev.1 thru the very end of chapter 3, the word Ekklesia translated church is used over and over again within those chapters, but you will never see the word Hagios translated as saints anywhere in those first three chapters. Likewise, starting from Rev.4 onward, the word Ekklesia is never listed, but only the word Hagios/Saints is found and is used throughout the entire narrative. The church is never mentioned in regards to the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments which are the wrath of God. Those mentioned above is that group in Rev.7 who are wearing white ropes which no man can count. These are the great tribulation saints (GTS), those who will become believers in Christ after the church has been removed. These GTS are the same group who are seen being resurrected in Rev.20:4
The Bridegroom is the Lord Jesus and the Church is his Bride
