When to Stop Discussing a Heresey with Someone?
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It is our "job" Enow, to "try" and plant a seed. It is God, Who gives the increase! NOT US!
There are sometimes, when one hasn't discernment to "let it go", and move on", that, methinks, that individual's "angels" can take over, in the "giving of hints." Perhaps, in some cases, hinting: "You are putting more on this one's cart then he/she has the ability to carry!" Methinks, we all "entertain" angels, unawares, at some points, as well as other points.
If at some point you are feeling like you are pounding on a brick wall with this individual? Sometimes, it is your brick wall, sometimes it's their brick wall. If it's your "wall", there are things you, and God do, in the tearing it down. Same thing applies to the other person as well. It's between God and the individual, and not yourself, and the individual.
There are sometimes, when one hasn't discernment to "let it go", and move on", that, methinks, that individual's "angels" can take over, in the "giving of hints." Perhaps, in some cases, hinting: "You are putting more on this one's cart then he/she has the ability to carry!" Methinks, we all "entertain" angels, unawares, at some points, as well as other points.
If at some point you are feeling like you are pounding on a brick wall with this individual? Sometimes, it is your brick wall, sometimes it's their brick wall. If it's your "wall", there are things you, and God do, in the tearing it down. Same thing applies to the other person as well. It's between God and the individual, and not yourself, and the individual.
It's kind of like our brother John was preaching when some said he was talking to believers.
Sometimes when a post Is responded to that Is heretical and the person that wrote the post Is consistent and constantly
stiffnecked,there might be a listener reading those post that might be strengthened by your response.
Sometimes when a post Is responded to that Is heretical and the person that wrote the post Is consistent and constantly
stiffnecked,there might be a listener reading those post that might be strengthened by your response.
It is our "job" Enow, to "try" and plant a seed. It is God, Who gives the increase! NOT US!
There are sometimes, when one hasn't discernment to "let it go", and move on", that, methinks, that individual's "angels" can take over, in the "giving of hints." Perhaps, in some cases, hinting: "You are putting more on this one's cart then he/she has the ability to carry!" Methinks, we all "entertain" angels, unawares, at some points, as well as other points.
If at some point you are feeling like you are pounding on a brick wall with this individual? Sometimes, it is your brick wall, sometimes it's their brick wall. If it's your "wall", there are things you, and God do, in the tearing it down. Same thing applies to the other person as well. It's between God and the individual, and not yourself, and the individual.
There are sometimes, when one hasn't discernment to "let it go", and move on", that, methinks, that individual's "angels" can take over, in the "giving of hints." Perhaps, in some cases, hinting: "You are putting more on this one's cart then he/she has the ability to carry!" Methinks, we all "entertain" angels, unawares, at some points, as well as other points.
If at some point you are feeling like you are pounding on a brick wall with this individual? Sometimes, it is your brick wall, sometimes it's their brick wall. If it's your "wall", there are things you, and God do, in the tearing it down. Same thing applies to the other person as well. It's between God and the individual, and not yourself, and the individual.
2 Timothy 4:1I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom; [SUP]2 [/SUP]Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
[SUP]4 [/SUP]And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]For I am now ready to be offered, and the time of my departure is at hand.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith:
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing.
I know I am nothing in His ministry.
1 Corinthians 3:Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man?[SUP] 6 [/SUP]I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase.[SUP]7 [/SUP]So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase.
Your arrogance knows no bounds, and your humility is false. You aren't the appointed teacher to anyone on this forum, even though some may learn the odd point from you. You have continually ignored the scriptural defense others have provided in favour of their position(s), so your claims are vacuous. Just because someone disagrees with you DOES NOT MEAN that they are incorrect. You may be the incorrect one! Take a dose of that "I am nothing" humility and stop alluding to others as ignorant, uneducated, little ones, children, misguided, off-course, or anything else similar.
Honestly, after reading all the OP's posts, I am convinced that he thinks that is his life's mission, to hunt down and destroy heretics....
I would have thought this mentality went out with the Salem witch trials...
This is approaching "walking in the light" from the totally wrong direction. We were not tasked with searching out heresy... we were tasked with taking Jesus to the world.
And anyone that assumes the role of "mentor and educator/defender" of the "little ones" is immediately suspect to me. We ALL are supposed to encourage and teach the babes in Christ, but to take that on as your "calling" smacks of a Messiah complex to me.
The OP's posts are just dripping with condescension to the "lesser lights".... those that obviously don't understand scripture, because thy disagree with him....
Hopefully I have misunderstood his motives, and his intentions.... if not, this is sadly humorous...
I would have thought this mentality went out with the Salem witch trials...
This is approaching "walking in the light" from the totally wrong direction. We were not tasked with searching out heresy... we were tasked with taking Jesus to the world.
And anyone that assumes the role of "mentor and educator/defender" of the "little ones" is immediately suspect to me. We ALL are supposed to encourage and teach the babes in Christ, but to take that on as your "calling" smacks of a Messiah complex to me.
The OP's posts are just dripping with condescension to the "lesser lights".... those that obviously don't understand scripture, because thy disagree with him....
Hopefully I have misunderstood his motives, and his intentions.... if not, this is sadly humorous...
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Honestly, after reading all the OP's posts, I am convinced that he thinks that is his life's mission, to hunt down and destroy heretics....
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I would have thought this mentality went out with the Salem witch trials...
This is approaching "walking in the light" from the totally wrong direction. We were not tasked with searching out heresy... we were tasked with taking Jesus to the world.
And anyone that assumes the role of "mentor and educator/defender" of the "little ones" is immediately suspect to me. We ALL are supposed to encourage and teach the babes in Christ, but to take that on as your "calling" smacks of a Messiah complex to me.
The OP's posts are just dripping with condescension to the "lesser lights".... those that obviously don't understand scripture, because thy disagree with him....
Hopefully I have misunderstood his motives, and his intentions.... if not, this is sadly humorous...
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I would have thought this mentality went out with the Salem witch trials...
This is approaching "walking in the light" from the totally wrong direction. We were not tasked with searching out heresy... we were tasked with taking Jesus to the world.
And anyone that assumes the role of "mentor and educator/defender" of the "little ones" is immediately suspect to me. We ALL are supposed to encourage and teach the babes in Christ, but to take that on as your "calling" smacks of a Messiah complex to me.
The OP's posts are just dripping with condescension to the "lesser lights".... those that obviously don't understand scripture, because thy disagree with him....
Hopefully I have misunderstood his motives, and his intentions.... if not, this is sadly humorous...
I enjoy discussing the Bible with others. It challenges me to study and have a greater understanding.
But, as I said above, when discussion stops, whether it is on me or the one I am discussing with, it would be best to just end it there and move on. Not very Christian to get ugly.
Just saying so does not make it so.
The scripture references you guys used I have explained away whereas you continue to ignore the scripture that opposes what you preach about using tongues without interpretation which was also gained by receiving the Holy Spirit apart from salvation or in the case of others, receiving the Holy Spirit "again" in order to get this tongue that comes without interpretation.
You guys sometimes oppose each other in opposing me and you guys are not listening to one another when you oppose me or when I correct others ( by the grace of God only ) that differ from what you are defending about tongues and how you got it; you just ignore their "error".
Jesus says no good tree will produce an evil fruit and no evil tree will produce a good fruit.
That as applied means there is no receiving the Holy Spirit separate from salvation; if you oppose those who are slain in the Spirit and the holy laughter movement, then you oppose yourself because they claim they got the receiving of the Holy Spirit the same way you guys get tongues without interpretation. That is Jesus telling you that you are also wrong.
Matthew 7:[SUP]13 [/SUP]Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:[SUP] 14 [/SUP]Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.[SUP] 15 [/SUP]Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.[SUP] 16 [/SUP]Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?[SUP] 17 [/SUP]Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.[SUP] 18 [/SUP]A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.[SUP] 19 [/SUP]Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.[SUP] 20 [/SUP]Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
This supernatural tongue of vain & profane babbling that you guys assume that when tongues comes without interpretation, then it must be for private use, has been found in the world before Pentecost and it is after the workings of Satan of which I have no doubt will be the ecumenical means to unite the world in one religion by for during the great tribulation.
You cannot draw the line of distinction against that which you oppose in slain in the "Spirit" or the holy laughter movement because they do the same thing; seek to receive the Holy Spirit "again" but after other signs too.
Therefore there is no receiving the Holy Spirit apart from salvation. That is the tradition taught of us plain & simple.
2 Thessalonians 2:[SUP]13 [/SUP]But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:[SUP] 14 [/SUP]Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.[SUP] 15 [/SUP]Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.
Now can you say that is what you are preaching when you got tongues not by the tradition taught of us? No. You cannot. You are preaching another Jesus as in another "spirit" to receive and thus preaching another calling and thus another gospel... the gospel of receiving the Holy Spirit apart from salvation by a sign of tongues which Paul says tongues would never serve as a sign to already saved believers to seek after especially in seeking to receive the Holy Spirit apart from salvation or "again" as some tongue speakers contends.
So I have just cause to warn others not to blindly follow this other calling nor pay heed to this other gospel of tongues, because there is no other calling and thus there is no other gospel since we have been saved and thus filled by the Spirit at the calling of the gospel when we believed in the Truth.
The scripture references you guys used I have explained away whereas you continue to ignore the scripture that opposes what you preach about using tongues without interpretation which was also gained by receiving the Holy Spirit apart from salvation or in the case of others, receiving the Holy Spirit "again" in order to get this tongue that comes without interpretation.
You guys sometimes oppose each other in opposing me and you guys are not listening to one another when you oppose me or when I correct others ( by the grace of God only ) that differ from what you are defending about tongues and how you got it; you just ignore their "error".
Jesus says no good tree will produce an evil fruit and no evil tree will produce a good fruit.
That as applied means there is no receiving the Holy Spirit separate from salvation; if you oppose those who are slain in the Spirit and the holy laughter movement, then you oppose yourself because they claim they got the receiving of the Holy Spirit the same way you guys get tongues without interpretation. That is Jesus telling you that you are also wrong.
Matthew 7:[SUP]13 [/SUP]Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:[SUP] 14 [/SUP]Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.[SUP] 15 [/SUP]Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.[SUP] 16 [/SUP]Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?[SUP] 17 [/SUP]Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.[SUP] 18 [/SUP]A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.[SUP] 19 [/SUP]Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.[SUP] 20 [/SUP]Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
This supernatural tongue of vain & profane babbling that you guys assume that when tongues comes without interpretation, then it must be for private use, has been found in the world before Pentecost and it is after the workings of Satan of which I have no doubt will be the ecumenical means to unite the world in one religion by for during the great tribulation.
You cannot draw the line of distinction against that which you oppose in slain in the "Spirit" or the holy laughter movement because they do the same thing; seek to receive the Holy Spirit "again" but after other signs too.
Therefore there is no receiving the Holy Spirit apart from salvation. That is the tradition taught of us plain & simple.
2 Thessalonians 2:[SUP]13 [/SUP]But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:[SUP] 14 [/SUP]Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.[SUP] 15 [/SUP]Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.
Now can you say that is what you are preaching when you got tongues not by the tradition taught of us? No. You cannot. You are preaching another Jesus as in another "spirit" to receive and thus preaching another calling and thus another gospel... the gospel of receiving the Holy Spirit apart from salvation by a sign of tongues which Paul says tongues would never serve as a sign to already saved believers to seek after especially in seeking to receive the Holy Spirit apart from salvation or "again" as some tongue speakers contends.
So I have just cause to warn others not to blindly follow this other calling nor pay heed to this other gospel of tongues, because there is no other calling and thus there is no other gospel since we have been saved and thus filled by the Spirit at the calling of the gospel when we believed in the Truth.
Honestly, after reading all the OP's posts, I am convinced that he thinks that is his life's mission, to hunt down and destroy heretics....
View attachment 175458
I would have thought this mentality went out with the Salem witch trials...
This is approaching "walking in the light" from the totally wrong direction. We were not tasked with searching out heresy... we were tasked with taking Jesus to the world.
And anyone that assumes the role of "mentor and educator/defender" of the "little ones" is immediately suspect to me. We ALL are supposed to encourage and teach the babes in Christ, but to take that on as your "calling" smacks of a Messiah complex to me.
The OP's posts are just dripping with condescension to the "lesser lights".... those that obviously don't understand scripture, because thy disagree with him....
Hopefully I have misunderstood his motives, and his intentions.... if not, this is sadly humorous...
View attachment 175458
I would have thought this mentality went out with the Salem witch trials...
This is approaching "walking in the light" from the totally wrong direction. We were not tasked with searching out heresy... we were tasked with taking Jesus to the world.
And anyone that assumes the role of "mentor and educator/defender" of the "little ones" is immediately suspect to me. We ALL are supposed to encourage and teach the babes in Christ, but to take that on as your "calling" smacks of a Messiah complex to me.
The OP's posts are just dripping with condescension to the "lesser lights".... those that obviously don't understand scripture, because thy disagree with him....
Hopefully I have misunderstood his motives, and his intentions.... if not, this is sadly humorous...
Believers are believing every spirit that comes over them as being of God and to keep the faith that He has been in us since we first believed in Him at the calling of the gospel, then we can resist that other spirit as not of Him because the Holy Spirit is in us as greater is He that is in you than he that is in the world. May God cause the increase for I cannot.
It's kind of like our brother John was preaching when some said he was talking to believers.
Sometimes when a post Is responded to that Is heretical and the person that wrote the post Is consistent and constantly
stiffnecked,there might be a listener reading those post that might be strengthened by your response.
Sometimes when a post Is responded to that Is heretical and the person that wrote the post Is consistent and constantly
stiffnecked,there might be a listener reading those post that might be strengthened by your response.
It is by your response is the reason why I still reply to those posting errors so that babes in Christ do not get carried away with the crowd in seeking to receive the Holy Spirit separate from salvation just to get tongues that comes with no interpretation and thus assumed to be for private use.
There is no other calling nor other gospel to heed; there is no other filling for that is the testimony that we are saved by being filled with the Spirit and thus shall hunger nor thirst any more for coming to and believing in Jesus Christ as promised.
John 6:[SUP]35 [/SUP]And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.
So I do see your point. Thank you for sharing.
Matthew 7:[SUP]21 [/SUP]Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.[SUP]22 [/SUP]Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?[SUP] 23 [/SUP]And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
How do you apply these verses to mean as per your test, sister? Those who profess Him were claiming to do miracles in His name and yet He denounced them as workers of iniquity and because they were in iniquity was why He denied them as ever knowing them; ( not that they were not saved but for being in iniquity )
Just as the church at Thyatira in Revelation 2nd chapter where God acknowledges them as His, but they were in iniquity and at risk of being cast into the best of teh great tribulation ... unless they repent of their deed.
These are the saints that have known the utter depths of Satan for which they speak; which I see as hinting towards tongues without interpretation as gained by spiritual fornication of receiving what they believe was the Holy Spirit separate from salvation when He was already in them in according to the faith in Jesus Christ and the tradition taught of us.
2 Thessalonians 2:[SUP]13 [/SUP]But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:[SUP] 14 [/SUP]Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.[SUP]15 [/SUP]Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.
The RCC can claim that they glorify Jesus, but that is not the only Person or thing they are glorifying.
So when believers glory in this other receiving what they believe is the Holy Ghost by a sign of tongues, no less, when tongues was never supposed to serve as a sign to already saved believers, then tongue speakers separate themselves from other believers that only have one drink of the One Spirit by the Father in Jesus's name when we were all baptized by at our salvation at the calling of the gospel to come to and believe in Jesus Christ.
Like it or not, tongue speakers are glorying in something else in His name which departs from the faith in Jesus Christ as well as the traditions taught of us. That is not the same thing as glorifying Jesus Christ at all per the gospel.
How do you apply these verses to mean as per your test, sister? Those who profess Him were claiming to do miracles in His name and yet He denounced them as workers of iniquity and because they were in iniquity was why He denied them as ever knowing them; ( not that they were not saved but for being in iniquity )
Just as the church at Thyatira in Revelation 2nd chapter where God acknowledges them as His, but they were in iniquity and at risk of being cast into the best of teh great tribulation ... unless they repent of their deed.
These are the saints that have known the utter depths of Satan for which they speak; which I see as hinting towards tongues without interpretation as gained by spiritual fornication of receiving what they believe was the Holy Spirit separate from salvation when He was already in them in according to the faith in Jesus Christ and the tradition taught of us.
2 Thessalonians 2:[SUP]13 [/SUP]But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:[SUP] 14 [/SUP]Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.[SUP]15 [/SUP]Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.
The RCC can claim that they glorify Jesus, but that is not the only Person or thing they are glorifying.
So when believers glory in this other receiving what they believe is the Holy Ghost by a sign of tongues, no less, when tongues was never supposed to serve as a sign to already saved believers, then tongue speakers separate themselves from other believers that only have one drink of the One Spirit by the Father in Jesus's name when we were all baptized by at our salvation at the calling of the gospel to come to and believe in Jesus Christ.
Like it or not, tongue speakers are glorying in something else in His name which departs from the faith in Jesus Christ as well as the traditions taught of us. That is not the same thing as glorifying Jesus Christ at all per the gospel.
I try to only post once or twice on a topic per thread. I do Reply With Quote, if necessary.
Mostly, I try and point out context, bad translations, and issue that are truly heretical. Like soteriology and Christology. There are people in this forum who think what we believe about eschatology determines our salvation. That is not heresy, but it truly is garbage!
I like that Enow does post longer passage of the Bible to defend his positions. Unfortunately, I cannot read them since they are in KJV. Perhaps posting in a modern version would make a real difference to what people say and feel about you? Oh right, you are KJV Only, and that is a big issue for me. But, since I already replied about that in another thread, I'm not addressing it again. At least for a month or two.
Say it once! If you have to explain something you were not clear about, post again. Then walk away. I waste so much less time on here, trying to follow that!
As for heretics, I do address it. After that, if it is really wrong, it is better to report it. Pretty much everyone I report gets banned sooner or later. Not because of my reports, necessarily, but because what I see as leading people astray the mods usually do to. That is orthodox Christianity.
As for the side stuff, well, we can discuss things all day, and still we have to agree to disagree. That works too! My goal is to not get angry and to try and post with kindness and love. Except, sometimes I fail, have to repent, sometimes apologize to the person and take a voluntary break.
I got in a big argument on FB lately, concerning "assisted suicide!" Or, as it also goes by "euthanasia." I felt very bad, but the next day the same argument popped up, the same post, followed by a Christian article on assisted dying and how bad it is in Canada right now, since we have no laws about it. I took that as a "sign" from God to continue the discussion and posted the article in the post by the person. And talked about my personal journey with pain and suffering. And how I do not wanted euthanasia, because I will be near the front of the line up, probably soon!
Oops! Now some word faith or hypergrace person will tell me I don't have enough faith. Nope, not going there! I've dealt with that "heresy" enough! Why heresy? Because it puts us in the place of God, commanding and demanding things from a magic genie in the sky. Sorry, promised I wouldn't go there!
Mostly, I try and point out context, bad translations, and issue that are truly heretical. Like soteriology and Christology. There are people in this forum who think what we believe about eschatology determines our salvation. That is not heresy, but it truly is garbage!
I like that Enow does post longer passage of the Bible to defend his positions. Unfortunately, I cannot read them since they are in KJV. Perhaps posting in a modern version would make a real difference to what people say and feel about you? Oh right, you are KJV Only, and that is a big issue for me. But, since I already replied about that in another thread, I'm not addressing it again. At least for a month or two.
Say it once! If you have to explain something you were not clear about, post again. Then walk away. I waste so much less time on here, trying to follow that!
As for heretics, I do address it. After that, if it is really wrong, it is better to report it. Pretty much everyone I report gets banned sooner or later. Not because of my reports, necessarily, but because what I see as leading people astray the mods usually do to. That is orthodox Christianity.
As for the side stuff, well, we can discuss things all day, and still we have to agree to disagree. That works too! My goal is to not get angry and to try and post with kindness and love. Except, sometimes I fail, have to repent, sometimes apologize to the person and take a voluntary break.
I got in a big argument on FB lately, concerning "assisted suicide!" Or, as it also goes by "euthanasia." I felt very bad, but the next day the same argument popped up, the same post, followed by a Christian article on assisted dying and how bad it is in Canada right now, since we have no laws about it. I took that as a "sign" from God to continue the discussion and posted the article in the post by the person. And talked about my personal journey with pain and suffering. And how I do not wanted euthanasia, because I will be near the front of the line up, probably soon!
Oops! Now some word faith or hypergrace person will tell me I don't have enough faith. Nope, not going there! I've dealt with that "heresy" enough! Why heresy? Because it puts us in the place of God, commanding and demanding things from a magic genie in the sky. Sorry, promised I wouldn't go there!
Actually, Zi, this is extremely incorrect.
That's exactly what satan will do. He doesn't show up among us and say, "Hey guys, it's me, satan and I've come to deceive you!" He comes with truth and with the Lord on His lips. Remember God saying, "They honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me."
One of the reasons it's difficult to discern is because truth is placed right along side of lies. The false teachers and preachers begin with truth. They call Jesus Lord, but their actions deny what their lips are saying.
There as so many warnings by Paul, Peter, Jesus, John, Jude along with descriptions of these false brethren, false teachers who come among us to draw us away from the truth.
We are told what they're like and what motivates these men.
I've done more discussing of tongues on this forum than almost any other topic....
My problem is with you calling those folks heretics. This is the dictionary definition of heresy....
people who believe in tongues do not fit that description. At the very worst, they are wrong about a non-salvation issue. At best, they are correct in their interpretation of spiritual gifts, and you are wrong.
They are still believers and followers of Jesus, and they are teaching others to follow him.... they are NOT heretics. You need to come out of your tunnel vision view of what our task as believers is...
My problem is with you calling those folks heretics. This is the dictionary definition of heresy....
people who believe in tongues do not fit that description. At the very worst, they are wrong about a non-salvation issue. At best, they are correct in their interpretation of spiritual gifts, and you are wrong.
They are still believers and followers of Jesus, and they are teaching others to follow him.... they are NOT heretics. You need to come out of your tunnel vision view of what our task as believers is...
[h=2]""""When to Stop Discussing a Heresey with Someone?""""[/h]
When you have responded with the truth and have also responded to any reasonable calls for clarification of the truth you have given..
Once they understand what you have given them and have rejected it and stay steadfast to theior false doctrine then you move on. in regards to that person..
You may decide to respond to the same person on the same issue later for the sake of others who need to be protected from that false doctrine by having someone give them the truth.. So you respond to the deceiver not for their sake ( They have already rejected the truth) but for the sake of the babes in Christ who maybe easier to deceive..
When you have responded with the truth and have also responded to any reasonable calls for clarification of the truth you have given..
Once they understand what you have given them and have rejected it and stay steadfast to theior false doctrine then you move on. in regards to that person..
You may decide to respond to the same person on the same issue later for the sake of others who need to be protected from that false doctrine by having someone give them the truth.. So you respond to the deceiver not for their sake ( They have already rejected the truth) but for the sake of the babes in Christ who maybe easier to deceive..
If you want to challenge someone on speaking in tongues, then stop quoting Scripture and provide links to pages providing scientific research on speaking in tongues. There are people who have studied speaking in tongues by having various people speak in tongues in front of them and doing a brain scan on them while they were speaking in tongues. Quoting Scripture will not likely be of use as people will quote Scripture right back at you.
To say if you believe in speaking in tongues you have to approve of " holy laughter" or " being slain in the Spirit" is a misunderstanding. Not everyone who speaks in tongues goes in to a trance like state or begins acting strange. If you witness a Christian going into a trance or acting strange while speaking in tongues, it would be a good idea to challenge that person. More than likely if someone is going into a trance like state when speaking in tongues, it is not of the Holy Spirit. If someone you know says they speak in tongues, it is good to ask questions about it such as... Can you start and stop speaking on command? Are you fully aware of your surroundings? Are you in control of your emotions when doing it? If any of the answers are no, then it is cause for concern. If all the answers are yes, it is possible that it is of the Holy Spirit.
To say if you believe in speaking in tongues you have to approve of " holy laughter" or " being slain in the Spirit" is a misunderstanding. Not everyone who speaks in tongues goes in to a trance like state or begins acting strange. If you witness a Christian going into a trance or acting strange while speaking in tongues, it would be a good idea to challenge that person. More than likely if someone is going into a trance like state when speaking in tongues, it is not of the Holy Spirit. If someone you know says they speak in tongues, it is good to ask questions about it such as... Can you start and stop speaking on command? Are you fully aware of your surroundings? Are you in control of your emotions when doing it? If any of the answers are no, then it is cause for concern. If all the answers are yes, it is possible that it is of the Holy Spirit.
Whether you are speaking to someone about the foundations of faith in Christ( such as the vigin birth, death and resurrection of Jesus... etc) or something that is not a foundation for the faith( such as speaking in tongues), it is important to have a humble attitude. When someone is putting another person down because of the belief that the other person is wrong, it does not help convince others. If someone perceives they are being put down, they are likely to put up a defense. Listening to the other person and respecting what they believe is helpful in being heard about what you believe. This is not a guarantee that you will be heard, it just makes it more likely.