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by all and any means, do not consider at all that you are wrong.
no, do not do that.
at any cost.
encourage one another in false beliefs and false doctrine because that is what matters - what we choose to believe.
not what is written.
we don't really believe ANY OF IT.
and apparently The Spirit is not teaching us AT ALL.
if He was, we would not be denying Jesus IS THE CHRIST, The Son of The Living God, Who Fulfilled EVERYTHING about Himself in the Scriptures from Genesis FORWARD......just as Peter THE JEW professed.
and JUST as He told us.
he that has an ear, let him HEAR.
no, do not do that.
at any cost.
encourage one another in false beliefs and false doctrine because that is what matters - what we choose to believe.
not what is written.
we don't really believe ANY OF IT.
and apparently The Spirit is not teaching us AT ALL.
if He was, we would not be denying Jesus IS THE CHRIST, The Son of The Living God, Who Fulfilled EVERYTHING about Himself in the Scriptures from Genesis FORWARD......just as Peter THE JEW professed.
and JUST as He told us.
he that has an ear, let him HEAR.
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EG, Jews are you're enemy? Jesus was a Jew! Christians should love Jews. They should not be our enemy. These people are the apple of His eye.
-Christians should love Jews because it was through the line of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob that Christ was born.
-Christians should love Jews because unto them were committed the oracles of God.
-Through the Jews, God revealed Himself in the Holy Scriptures and gave us the message of redemption.
-And finally, Christians should love Jews because of their respect for God's promises to them. In this I refer to the Abrahamic Covenant, in which the Lord told Abraham: I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee.
Jews are not the enemy.
-Christians should love Jews because it was through the line of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob that Christ was born.
-Christians should love Jews because unto them were committed the oracles of God.
-Through the Jews, God revealed Himself in the Holy Scriptures and gave us the message of redemption.
-And finally, Christians should love Jews because of their respect for God's promises to them. In this I refer to the Abrahamic Covenant, in which the Lord told Abraham: I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee.
Jews are not the enemy.
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Hey there. I am just going off what Paul said.
As per the gospel they are my enemy, as for the promise they are to be loved. They are my enemy, and we do need to love them and give them the gospel. Not hate on them like some people in here like to do. I do not think I have ever seen so much hate.
We should love them like we love all people, whether jew or gentile
Again, I am just going of what Paul said.
[SUP]28 [/SUP]Concerning the gospel they are enemies for your sake,
As per the gospel they are my enemy, as for the promise they are to be loved. They are my enemy, and we do need to love them and give them the gospel. Not hate on them like some people in here like to do. I do not think I have ever seen so much hate.
We should love them like we love all people, whether jew or gentile
Again, I am just going of what Paul said.
[SUP]28 [/SUP]Concerning the gospel they are enemies for your sake,
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Not about Jesus? Si
mply amazing
mply amazing
Dan 9:
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Then I set my face toward the Lord God to make request by prayer and supplications, with fasting, sackcloth, and ashes. [SUP]4 [/SUP]And I prayed to the Lord my God, and made confession, and said, “O Lord, great and awesome God, who keeps His covenant and mercy with those who love Him, and with those who keep His commandments, [SUP]5 [/SUP]we have sinned and committed iniquity, we have done wickedly and rebelled, even by departing from Your precepts and Your judgments. [SUP]6 [/SUP]Neither have we heeded Your servants the prophets, who spoke in Your name to our kings and our princes, to our fathers and all the people of the land. [SUP]7 [/SUP]O Lord, righteousness belongs to You, but to us shame of face, as it is this day—to the men of Judah, to the inhabitants of Jerusalem and all Israel, those near and those far off in all the countries to which You have driven them, because of the unfaithfulness which they have committed against You.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]“O Lord, to us belongs shame of face, to our kings, our princes, and our fathers, because we have sinned against You. [SUP]9 [/SUP]To the Lord our God belong mercy and forgiveness, though we have rebelled against Him. [SUP]10 [/SUP]We have not obeyed the voice of the Lord our God, to walk in His laws, which He set before us by His servants the prophets. [SUP]11 [/SUP]Yes, all Israel has transgressed Your law, and has departed so as not to obey Your voice; therefore the curse and the oath written in the Law of Moses the servant of God have been poured out on us, because we have sinned against Him. [SUP]12 [/SUP]And He has confirmed His words, which He spoke against us and against our judges who judged us, by bringing upon us a great disaster; for under the whole heaven such has never been done as what has been done to Jerusalem.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]“As it is written in the Law of Moses, all this disaster has come upon us; yet we have not made our prayer before the Lord our God, that we might turn from our iniquities and understand Your truth. [SUP]14 [/SUP]Therefore the Lord has kept the disaster in mind, and brought it upon us; for the Lord our God is righteous in all the works which He does, though we have not obeyed His voice. [SUP]15 [/SUP]And now, O Lord our God, who brought Your people out of the land of Egypt with a mighty hand, and made Yourself a name, as it is this day—we have sinned, we have done wickedly!
[SUP]16 [/SUP]“O Lord, according to all Your righteousness, I pray, let Your anger and Your fury be turned away from Your city Jerusalem, Your holy mountain; because for our sins, and for the iniquities of our fathers, Jerusalem and Your people are a reproach to all those around us. [SUP]17 [/SUP]Now therefore, our God, hear the prayer of Your servant, and his supplications, and for the Lord’s sake cause Your face to shine on Your sanctuary, which is desolate. [SUP]18 [/SUP]O my God, incline Your ear and hear; open Your eyes and see our desolations, and the city which is called by Your name; for we do not present our supplications before You because of our righteous deeds, but because of Your great mercies. [SUP]19 [/SUP]O Lord, hear! O Lord, forgive! O Lord, listen and act! Do not delay for Your own sake, my God, for Your city and Your people are called by Your name.”
Nothign about Jesus in here. It is all about Daniels people and the City of jerusalem.
but if you think it is amazing. Oh well. so be it.
why do people bear false witness about the Scriptures?
why do they bear false witness about Gabriel's message directly from My Father, about Daniel's people and God's faithfulness to them?
why do people dare to bear false testimony about Jesus Christ of Nazareth, The Most Holy, and say He didn't do the very things Promised, in exactly the place and time My Father said he would?
to finish the transgression
and to make an end of sins
and to make reconciliation for iniquity
and to bring in everlasting righteousness
and to seal up the vision and prophecy
i wonder why they don't seem to believe any of it.
Galatians 4
Sons and Heirs
1I mean that the heir, as long as he is a child, is no different from a slave,a though he is the owner of everything, 2but he is under guardians and managers until the date set by his father. 3In the same way we also, when we were children, were enslaved to the elementary principlesb of the world. 4But when the fullness of time had come, God sent forth his Son, born of woman, born under the law, 5to redeem those who were under the law, so that we might receive adoption as sons. 6And because you are sons, God has sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts, crying, “Abba! Father!” 7So you are no longer a slave, but a son, and if a son, then an heir through God.
Example of Hagar and Sarah
21Tell me, you who desire to be under the law, do you not listen to the law? 22For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by a slave woman and one by a free woman. 23But the son of the slave was born according to the flesh, while the son of the free woman was born through promise. 24Now this may be interpreted allegorically: these women are two covenants. One is from Mount Sinai, bearing children for slavery; she is Hagar. 25Now Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia;e she corresponds to the present Jerusalem, for she is in slavery with her children. 26But the Jerusalem above is free, and she is our mother. 27For it is written,
“Rejoice, O barren one who does not bear;
break forth and cry aloud, you who are not in labor!
For the children of the desolate one will be more
than those of the one who has a husband.”
28Now you,f brothers, like Isaac, are children of promise. 29But just as at that time he who was born according to the flesh persecuted him who was born according to the Spirit, so also it is now. 30But what does the Scripture say? “Cast out the slave woman and her son, for the son of the slave woman shall not inherit with the son of the free woman.” 31So, brothers, we are not children of the slave but of the free woman.
they repeatedly bear false witness against the very Gospel itself.
Romans 1:16
I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God for the salvation of everyone who believes: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile.
in them i wonder if i see another fulfillment:
Now you, brothers, like Isaac, are children of promise. But just as at that time he who was born according to the flesh persecuted him who was born according to the Spirit, so also it is now.
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Dan 9:
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Then I set my face toward the Lord God to make request by prayer and supplications, with fasting, sackcloth, and ashes. [SUP]4 [/SUP]And I prayed to the Lord my God, and made confession, and said, “O Lord, great and awesome God, who keeps His covenant and mercy with those who love Him, and with those who keep His commandments, [SUP]5 [/SUP]we have sinned and committed iniquity, we have done wickedly and rebelled, even by departing from Your precepts and Your judgments. [SUP]6 [/SUP]Neither have we heeded Your servants the prophets, who spoke in Your name to our kings and our princes, to our fathers and all the people of the land. [SUP]7 [/SUP]O Lord, righteousness belongs to You, but to us shame of face, as it is this day—to the men of Judah, to the inhabitants of Jerusalem and all Israel, those near and those far off in all the countries to which You have driven them, because of the unfaithfulness which they have committed against You.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]“O Lord, to us belongs shame of face, to our kings, our princes, and our fathers, because we have sinned against You. [SUP]9 [/SUP]To the Lord our God belong mercy and forgiveness, though we have rebelled against Him. [SUP]10 [/SUP]We have not obeyed the voice of the Lord our God, to walk in His laws, which He set before us by His servants the prophets. [SUP]11 [/SUP]Yes, all Israel has transgressed Your law, and has departed so as not to obey Your voice; therefore the curse and the oath written in the Law of Moses the servant of God have been poured out on us, because we have sinned against Him. [SUP]12 [/SUP]And He has confirmed His words, which He spoke against us and against our judges who judged us, by bringing upon us a great disaster; for under the whole heaven such has never been done as what has been done to Jerusalem.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]“As it is written in the Law of Moses, all this disaster has come upon us; yet we have not made our prayer before the Lord our God, that we might turn from our iniquities and understand Your truth. [SUP]14 [/SUP]Therefore the Lord has kept the disaster in mind, and brought it upon us; for the Lord our God is righteous in all the works which He does, though we have not obeyed His voice. [SUP]15 [/SUP]And now, O Lord our God, who brought Your people out of the land of Egypt with a mighty hand, and made Yourself a name, as it is this day—we have sinned, we have done wickedly!
[SUP]16 [/SUP]“O Lord, according to all Your righteousness, I pray, let Your anger and Your fury be turned away from Your city Jerusalem, Your holy mountain; because for our sins, and for the iniquities of our fathers, Jerusalem and Your people are a reproach to all those around us. [SUP]17 [/SUP]Now therefore, our God, hear the prayer of Your servant, and his supplications, and for the Lord’s sake cause Your face to shine on Your sanctuary, which is desolate. [SUP]18 [/SUP]O my God, incline Your ear and hear; open Your eyes and see our desolations, and the city which is called by Your name; for we do not present our supplications before You because of our righteous deeds, but because of Your great mercies. [SUP]19 [/SUP]O Lord, hear! O Lord, forgive! O Lord, listen and act! Do not delay for Your own sake, my God, for Your city and Your people are called by Your name.”
Nothign about Jesus in here. It is all about Daniels people and the City of jerusalem.
but if you think it is amazing. Oh well. so be it.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Then I set my face toward the Lord God to make request by prayer and supplications, with fasting, sackcloth, and ashes. [SUP]4 [/SUP]And I prayed to the Lord my God, and made confession, and said, “O Lord, great and awesome God, who keeps His covenant and mercy with those who love Him, and with those who keep His commandments, [SUP]5 [/SUP]we have sinned and committed iniquity, we have done wickedly and rebelled, even by departing from Your precepts and Your judgments. [SUP]6 [/SUP]Neither have we heeded Your servants the prophets, who spoke in Your name to our kings and our princes, to our fathers and all the people of the land. [SUP]7 [/SUP]O Lord, righteousness belongs to You, but to us shame of face, as it is this day—to the men of Judah, to the inhabitants of Jerusalem and all Israel, those near and those far off in all the countries to which You have driven them, because of the unfaithfulness which they have committed against You.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]“O Lord, to us belongs shame of face, to our kings, our princes, and our fathers, because we have sinned against You. [SUP]9 [/SUP]To the Lord our God belong mercy and forgiveness, though we have rebelled against Him. [SUP]10 [/SUP]We have not obeyed the voice of the Lord our God, to walk in His laws, which He set before us by His servants the prophets. [SUP]11 [/SUP]Yes, all Israel has transgressed Your law, and has departed so as not to obey Your voice; therefore the curse and the oath written in the Law of Moses the servant of God have been poured out on us, because we have sinned against Him. [SUP]12 [/SUP]And He has confirmed His words, which He spoke against us and against our judges who judged us, by bringing upon us a great disaster; for under the whole heaven such has never been done as what has been done to Jerusalem.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]“As it is written in the Law of Moses, all this disaster has come upon us; yet we have not made our prayer before the Lord our God, that we might turn from our iniquities and understand Your truth. [SUP]14 [/SUP]Therefore the Lord has kept the disaster in mind, and brought it upon us; for the Lord our God is righteous in all the works which He does, though we have not obeyed His voice. [SUP]15 [/SUP]And now, O Lord our God, who brought Your people out of the land of Egypt with a mighty hand, and made Yourself a name, as it is this day—we have sinned, we have done wickedly!
[SUP]16 [/SUP]“O Lord, according to all Your righteousness, I pray, let Your anger and Your fury be turned away from Your city Jerusalem, Your holy mountain; because for our sins, and for the iniquities of our fathers, Jerusalem and Your people are a reproach to all those around us. [SUP]17 [/SUP]Now therefore, our God, hear the prayer of Your servant, and his supplications, and for the Lord’s sake cause Your face to shine on Your sanctuary, which is desolate. [SUP]18 [/SUP]O my God, incline Your ear and hear; open Your eyes and see our desolations, and the city which is called by Your name; for we do not present our supplications before You because of our righteous deeds, but because of Your great mercies. [SUP]19 [/SUP]O Lord, hear! O Lord, forgive! O Lord, listen and act! Do not delay for Your own sake, my God, for Your city and Your people are called by Your name.”
Nothign about Jesus in here. It is all about Daniels people and the City of jerusalem.
but if you think it is amazing. Oh well. so be it.
Get real
Daniel 9
24Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
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im pretty lax with eschatology.....but when you say anything is
"not" about Jesus you make me shiver
"not" about Jesus you make me shiver
it may make you shiver. but you even know romans 9 was destroyed by taking it out of context. daniel 9 is destroyed the same way.
how one could read what daniel prayed and say it was all about jesus, and not his people and his city.. well that makes me shiver.
E
no you get real?
24Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
Daniel prayed for his people and the city. Gabriel said, this is your answer, about your people and your city.
24Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
Daniel prayed for his people and the city. Gabriel said, this is your answer, about your people and your city.