Which Commandments?

[eternally-gratefull]

Words are cheap, Hitler could say he was secure in Christ, does no make it true.

rolls eyes.

I never said it did. Is this all you have?

Romans 6:16, "Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?"


I listen to the Messiah.


Mattithyah 24:12, "And because iniquity will abound, the love of the many will grow cold."

"iniquity" is:#0458 anomia {an-om-ee'-ah} from G0459

Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)
1) the condition of without law
1a) because ignorant of it
1b) because of violating it
2) contempt and violation of law, iniquity, wickedness

2 peter 3:15-17, "And count the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the wisdom given him, as he does in all his letters when he speaks in them of these matters. There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures. You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, take care that you are not carried away with the error of lawless people and lose your own stability."

You do listen to messiah?

How about YHWH? he said if you do not obey and cofirm ALL THE WORDS THAT ARE WRITTEN you are cursed.

Do you not realise, if you and hitler both stood before God. NEITHER OF YOU would be worthy of Gods love or eternal life? You would BOTH be condemned by the same law?

maybe when you get to this point, you may finally understand Grace.

 

[Zmouth]

so do you believe the law still condemns you? yes or no?

You answer must be yes if you needed the blood to save you.....

 

[Hizikyah]

rolls eyes.

I never said it did. Is this all you have?



You do listen to messiah?

How about YHWH? he said if you do not obey and cofirm ALL THE WORDS THAT ARE WRITTEN you are cursed.

Do you not realise, if you and hitler both stood before God. NEITHER OF YOU would be worthy of Gods love or eternal life? You would BOTH be condemned by the same law?

maybe when you get to this point, you may finally understand Grace.

Romans 2:4-12, “Or do you despise the riches of His kindness, forbearance, and longsuffering; not realizing that Yahweh’s kindness is meant to lead you to repentance? But according to your stubborn and impenitent mind you are storing up wrath for yourself for the day of Yahweh’s wrath, when the righteous judgment of Yahweh will be revealed; when He will reward each one according to his works: to the ones on the one hand, who, by patient persistence in doing righteousness, seek for glory, honor and immortality, He will give eternal life. But to the ones on the other hand, who are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, He will give indignation and wrath.” Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man who does evil: to the Yahdai(Jew) first, and also to the Greek (Gentile) But glory, honor, and peace to every man who works righteousness: to the Yahdai first, and also to the Greek. For there is no respect of persons with Yahweh.For all who have sinned without the law will also perish without the law, and all who have sinned under the law will be judged by the law.”

 

[Flamingspirit]

Love is ALL we need! To love one another is the fulfillment of the law, whatever that may be.

 

[twowitnesses]

We are saved by faith not works. Luke 7:50 So if you think you are saved by works......How good is good enough?

 

[Brainfreeze]

And you want me to believe one day they will change their minds and think, Nope. I was wrong, I am not a sinner, God does not need to save me?

What kind of faith is that?

I also do not believe God is going to give what he says is a GUFT to someone HE KNOWS is going to one day reject it.

Did God not say he saved us before time began.

If he saved us BEFORE the world was created, how is he one day going to say sorry, you did not live up to my standard, I screwed up and gave you salvation. I was wrong.

can you not see how you MOCK the omniscience of God when you make such claims?

So do you believe once your saved your always saved ? You can't lose salvation ?

 

[Grandpa]

Only one commandment is valid for the followers of the Lord Jesus Christ.

Matthew 11:28
[SUP]28 [/SUP]Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

Why is this the only commandment that is valid for Christians? Because the Lord said that without Him we can do nothing. All your works of the law are designed to show you that there is yet one thing you lack...

Hebrews 11:6
[SUP]6 [/SUP]But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

The Holy Spirit is that reward that is spoken of in Hebrews. The Holy Spirit will cause your good works and good fruit a lot better than your fleshly will and obedience to commandments. How do you get this Holy Spirit? See Matt 11:28. The Holy Spirit is this rest. Joy, Love, Peace... There aren't any of the 613 plus commandments that would be broken by the Holy Spirit and the fruit produced by Him.

John 15:4-5

[SUP]4 [/SUP]Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

 

[weakness]

​This conversation seems to appear here way to many times. I would like to address this a little differently. From the point of being born again. One of the main points of Gods purposes is the creation will be redeemed.We are part of that creation. It seems to me the scripture comes from is now and looks forward to the manifestation of gods children.Jesus died for our sin,fulfilled the law, and took authority over it, nailing to the cross.I feel though that the law is ever present and still effects those who are not hidden in Christ and born again. Whosoever sins without the law shall perish without the law and who ever sin in the law shall be judged by the law. This sounds like a lost situation except that the law ,after it judges us , also leads us to Jesus, Scripture says we are baptized into Christ death.Another place we are dead and as Jesus now live by the power of the Spirit of God in us. IT also says in scripture that the first covenant was written in stone,by the hand of God. But the new covenant is written in our hearts and that we have become a law unto ourselves.Why? Because we are born of God, we are his offspring ,and children.We are begotten of God when he ,through the Holy Spirit placed his divine nature in us,and through the Spirit we have the divine nature.Like it says about Jesus ,that being found in the form of God ,thought it not robbery to be egual with God, but took upon him the form of a servant. Jesus said if you have seen me you have seen the Father. This, taking the form of a servant is the nature of the father, of Jesus,and of us. To be servants of the truth,of Gods plan and purposes. Because we have been born again we have entered into the household of God with all its blessings and inheritance. Do you think God is a law unto himself? Can he do wrong and sin? We are dead and our life is hide with God in Christ, If we are dead the law has no dominion over us one way or the other,but now with the law or nature of God written in our hearts. we are oblgated to follow the nature of God in our hearts.Not following any law, but by allowing the Spirit of Jesus to work through us. We are dead!!!! Let god work through you , be an earthen vessel, let the light and candle of God shine out of you. It is not ourselves but Jesus who is made unto us sanctification,wisdom,righteousness. We have all been given a measure of the gift of Christ ,let this measure be your life. Paul says he dies daily and that he is delivered unto death daily, so that the life of Jesus would be manifest in his mortal body. thats our story too, or should be. we don't need to worry so much about the law if it is written in our own hearts! God dwells in his temple not made with hands.And the law will go forth out of Zion ,the mountain of the Lord . Enough I talked to long already Gods Grace and Peace be with you Through the Holy Spirit

 

[eternally-gratefull]

So do you believe once your saved your always saved ? You can't lose salvation ?

if salvation can be lost...

I am not saved, my salvation is a lie
I have no hope. because eternal life is a li
I am still under law. because it is what will condemn me (the only thing which can)
I am not justified freely, I am not justified at all
I continue to hunger and thirst, because I have not eaten the food which endures forever
My hope is in self (sorry but what kind of hope is that, that is what got me in trouble with God to begin with) and not God.

I can go on and on and on to show the things which God said about me, are not true.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

You answer must be yes if you needed the blood to save you.....

so we can get to the point we no longer need the blood to save us?

Just asking, not sure if I understand you right.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Romans 2:4-12, “Or do you despise the riches of His kindness, forbearance, and longsuffering; not realizing that Yahweh’s kindness is meant to lead you to repentance? But according to your stubborn and impenitent mind you are storing up wrath for yourself for the day of Yahweh’s wrath, when the righteous judgment of Yahweh will be revealed; when He will reward each one according to his works: to the ones on the one hand, who, by patient persistence in doing righteousness, seek for glory, honor and immortality, He will give eternal life. But to the ones on the other hand, who are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, He will give indignation and wrath.” Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man who does evil: to the Yahdai(Jew) first, and also to the Greek (Gentile) But glory, honor, and peace to every man who works righteousness: to the Yahdai first, and also to the Greek. For there is no respect of persons with Yahweh.For all who have sinned without the law will also perish without the law, and all who have sinned under the law will be judged by the law.”

sorry my friend.

The law still condemns you, because as you admit yourself. You still sin, even though you place yourself under the law.

If you can not read the WHOLE of the passage, and keep ignoring the very end, No one can help you.

The law will judge both of us, who have it or do not. Paul makes this clear in romans 1.

Thus your still condemned where you stand, Unless you are saved.

And do not say you are saved, if you do not believe you have assurance in Christ, because you have no salvation at all..

 

[crossnote]

In a reply to me you said, "you guys"

I was personally in the "group"

and

everyone in that "group" is a person.

This stuff happens regularly, but im called a pharisee...

I guess when women libbers attack men you take it personal also?

 

[crossnote]

​This conversation seems to appear here way to many times. I would like to address this a little differently. From the point of being born again. One of the main points of Gods purposes is the creation will be redeemed.We are part of that creation. It seems to me the scripture comes from is now and looks forward to the manifestation of gods children.Jesus died for our sin,fulfilled the law, and took authority over it, nailing to the cross.I feel though that the law is ever present and still effects those who are not hidden in Christ and born again. Whosoever sins without the law shall perish without the law and who ever sin in the law shall be judged by the law. This sounds like a lost situation except that the law ,after it judges us , also leads us to Jesus, Scripture says we are baptized into Christ death.Another place we are dead and as Jesus now live by the power of the Spirit of God in us. IT also says in scripture that the first covenant was written in stone,by the hand of God. But the new covenant is written in our hearts and that we have become a law unto ourselves.Why? Because we are born of God, we are his offspring ,and children.We are begotten of God when he ,through the Holy Spirit placed his divine nature in us,and through the Spirit we have the divine nature.Like it says about Jesus ,that being found in the form of God ,thought it not robbery to be egual with God, but took upon him the form of a servant. Jesus said if you have seen me you have seen the Father. This, taking the form of a servant is the nature of the father, of Jesus,and of us. To be servants of the truth,of Gods plan and purposes. Because we have been born again we have entered into the household of God with all its blessings and inheritance. Do you think God is a law unto himself? Can he do wrong and sin? We are dead and our life is hide with God in Christ, If we are dead the law has no dominion over us one way or the other,but now with the law or nature of God written in our hearts. we are oblgated to follow the nature of God in our hearts.Not following any law, but by allowing the Spirit of Jesus to work through us. We are dead!!!! Let god work through you , be an earthen vessel, let the light and candle of God shine out of you. It is not ourselves but Jesus who is made unto us sanctification,wisdom,righteousness. We have all been given a measure of the gift of Christ ,let this measure be your life. Paul says he dies daily and that he is delivered unto death daily, so that the life of Jesus would be manifest in his mortal body. thats our story too, or should be. we don't need to worry so much about the law if it is written in our own hearts! God dwells in his temple not made with hands.And the law will go forth out of Zion ,the mountain of the Lord . Enough I talked to long already Gods Grace and Peace be with you Through the Holy Spirit

This is an excellent run down and saved me a lot of writing but unfortunately it's truths are not grasped by those devoid of the new birth. Now I can get back to "December lite".

 

[john832]

We are saved by faith not works. Luke 7:50 So if you think you are saved by works......How good is good enough?

Jas 2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

So Christ's brother had not a clue?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Jas 2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

So Christ's brother had not a clue?

yeah he had a clue.

I can claim I have faith 24/7 365 days a year.

But as long as I continue to be a hearer and NOT a doer of the word. My faith could never save me, for it was dead.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

Jas 2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

So Christ's brother had not a clue?

CHRIST brother had a clue but your interpretation might be a misunderstanding of that verse if scripture(s)do not harmonize with scripture(s).

 

[seed_time_harvest]

sorry about that EG I didn't see your post#75.

 

[Chopper]

We have seen the two great commandments as they were given, and I have already explained the first four of the ten being between us and Yah, and the last six being between one another.

If that is not good enough for you to understand, then how about listening to Paul?

Rom 13:8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
Rom 13:9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Rom 13:10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

sorry about that EG I didn't see your post#75.

don't be sorry.

Iron sharpens iron, those are not my words,, The more that say it, maybe it will sink in.

 

[crossnote]

We have seen the two great commandments as they were given, and I have already explained the first four of the ten being between us and Yah, and the last six being between one another.

If that is not good enough for you to understand, then how about listening to Paul?

Rom 13:8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
Rom 13:9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Rom 13:10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

The law (any) neither saves nor sanctifies.Paul is admonishing/urging Christians to live after the new nature/life implanted in their heart.