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hmm, I think it quite amazing.
No one has said we are not to follow any command of God. so where are they all? we keep being told we say this all the time, yet not one person who has responded to this thread would say this?
Hmm.. I doubt even this will convince anyone we teach this.. They will still say we teach this.
No one has said we are not to follow any command of God. so where are they all? we keep being told we say this all the time, yet not one person who has responded to this thread would say this?
Hmm.. I doubt even this will convince anyone we teach this.. They will still say we teach this.
Oh there's a new tune now and then. Who knows maybe a new Pete Seeger arise from these ranks.
Seriously, it's all good with God's good and spiritual commandments, Amen. However, a soul truly looking for right standing with God can only look to Christ and the gospel alone to that end. In himself and his own efforts he can only find condemnation (that is, if he has really come under Holy Spirit conviction of his own sin).
Absolutely the commandments are for believers, they are there to express gratitude for salvation having come to us, they are not there to measure our level of holiness. We keep what we can through the grace of God to the glory of God. Not to hopefully become justified through it one day, but because we already are justified, and, thanks be to God, this judicial act from God is permanent and secure.
Seriously, it's all good with God's good and spiritual commandments, Amen. However, a soul truly looking for right standing with God can only look to Christ and the gospel alone to that end. In himself and his own efforts he can only find condemnation (that is, if he has really come under Holy Spirit conviction of his own sin).
Absolutely the commandments are for believers, they are there to express gratitude for salvation having come to us, they are not there to measure our level of holiness. We keep what we can through the grace of God to the glory of God. Not to hopefully become justified through it one day, but because we already are justified, and, thanks be to God, this judicial act from God is permanent and secure.
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John (Yahchanan) 14:6, "Yahshua proclaimed to him: I am the way, the truth, and the life; no man comes to the Father, except through Me."
Yahchanan (John) 4:25-26, "The woman said to Him; I know that the Messiah comes, and when He comes, He will tell us all things. Yahshua said to her: I am He speaking to you."
John 12:48, "He who rejects Me, and does not follow My words has One Who judges him. The word that I have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day."
Yahchanan (John) 4:25-26, "The woman said to Him; I know that the Messiah comes, and when He comes, He will tell us all things. Yahshua said to her: I am He speaking to you."
John 12:48, "He who rejects Me, and does not follow My words has One Who judges him. The word that I have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day."
"He who rejects me is an unbeliever". Those responding on this thread are believers. Regardless if they believe certain things the way you do; they have accepted Christ as their Savior.
Is it okay to walk outside the "rules and regulations that God gave us? NO but that is why God's mercy and grace is there for us. Do you think God is surprised when we sin? Or does he remember that we are just dust? Does God not understand our fallen nature, our faults and failures? Does He not understand that we are in this body of death? Does He not understand that we have this new nature within us fighting with the old nature?
I think the contention lies in those that say we have to work for salvation or we have to work to "maintain" salvation. We are saved by the grace of God through faith in Jesus Christ - PERIOD. God gave us "rules and regulations" so that we can live a godly life and know what is expected of us after we have been born again not to "maintain" our "new birth" [salvation]. Those "rules and regulations" keep us in fellowship with the Father and the Son. Will we walk outside those lines? Of course we will - does that mean "just don't try"? Of course not - we continue to run the race, fight the fight. Remember that when we hated Him and we were distant from Him - He sent his Son to die for us. The law brings wrath [Rom. 4:15] - when we fail; we get mad at ourselves, condemn ourselves - the law is what made us aware of sin and our sins increased why? only because we were aware that we were sinning - BUT where sin increased - grace did much more ABOUND! [Rom. 5:20] Forgiveness is instantly available - God forgives and God also FORGETS.
Is it okay to walk outside the "rules and regulations that God gave us? NO but that is why God's mercy and grace is there for us. Do you think God is surprised when we sin? Or does he remember that we are just dust? Does God not understand our fallen nature, our faults and failures? Does He not understand that we are in this body of death? Does He not understand that we have this new nature within us fighting with the old nature?
I think the contention lies in those that say we have to work for salvation or we have to work to "maintain" salvation. We are saved by the grace of God through faith in Jesus Christ - PERIOD. God gave us "rules and regulations" so that we can live a godly life and know what is expected of us after we have been born again not to "maintain" our "new birth" [salvation]. Those "rules and regulations" keep us in fellowship with the Father and the Son. Will we walk outside those lines? Of course we will - does that mean "just don't try"? Of course not - we continue to run the race, fight the fight. Remember that when we hated Him and we were distant from Him - He sent his Son to die for us. The law brings wrath [Rom. 4:15] - when we fail; we get mad at ourselves, condemn ourselves - the law is what made us aware of sin and our sins increased why? only because we were aware that we were sinning - BUT where sin increased - grace did much more ABOUND! [Rom. 5:20] Forgiveness is instantly available - God forgives and God also FORGETS.
Bondage?
Lev 18:6 None of you shall approach to any that is near of kin to him, to uncover their nakedness: I am the LORD.
Lev 18:7 The nakedness of thy father, or the nakedness of thy mother, shalt thou not uncover: she is thy mother; thou shalt not uncover her nakedness.
Hmmm, you call that bondage?
Deu 22:8 When thou buildest a new house, then thou shalt make a battlement for thy roof, that thou bring not blood upon thine house, if any man fall from thence.
Bondage to put a handrail around your deck to protect people from falling off?
And this horrible, terribly repressive Law...
Deu 23:12 Thou shalt have a place also without the camp, whither thou shalt go forth abroad:
Deu 23:13 And thou shalt have a paddle upon thy weapon; and it shall be, when thou wilt ease thyself abroad, thou shalt dig therewith, and shalt turn back and cover that which cometh from thee:
Who would want to be burdened with having to have a latrine OUTSIDE the camp and then, horror of horrors, have to bury the refuse from your body. It is much better to be free and just do your business in all the places you live including your living room.
Lev 18:6 None of you shall approach to any that is near of kin to him, to uncover their nakedness: I am the LORD.
Lev 18:7 The nakedness of thy father, or the nakedness of thy mother, shalt thou not uncover: she is thy mother; thou shalt not uncover her nakedness.
Hmmm, you call that bondage?
Deu 22:8 When thou buildest a new house, then thou shalt make a battlement for thy roof, that thou bring not blood upon thine house, if any man fall from thence.
Bondage to put a handrail around your deck to protect people from falling off?
And this horrible, terribly repressive Law...
Deu 23:12 Thou shalt have a place also without the camp, whither thou shalt go forth abroad:
Deu 23:13 And thou shalt have a paddle upon thy weapon; and it shall be, when thou wilt ease thyself abroad, thou shalt dig therewith, and shalt turn back and cover that which cometh from thee:
Who would want to be burdened with having to have a latrine OUTSIDE the camp and then, horror of horrors, have to bury the refuse from your body. It is much better to be free and just do your business in all the places you live including your living room.
You speak much truth.
Everything I say, is from the perspective of one who has already accepted Messiah, honestly my studies are always geared around what does He want. With the current state of the world, know in Scripture as "the Mystery of Iniquity" I think obedience is so grossly under preached it is repulsive, not jokingly or metaphorically, like sit down for a second because of the non-stop bombardment of anti-righteous filth on the TV, movies, music, bars, clubs, crooked politicians, crooked businessmen, criminals, on and on, etc, etc. And yes I sin also, but its like a dizzy spell of craziness out there. It bothers me so. I'm not perfect, I don't always reply perfectly. But I feel I can stand on the words of Yahshua (Jesus) its all about love, these are His words;
Mattithyah 24:12, "And because iniquity will abound, the love of the many will grow cold."
"iniquity" is:#0458 anomia {an-om-ee'-ah} from G0459
Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)
1) the condition of without law
1a) because ignorant of it
1b) because of violating it
2) contempt and violation of law, iniquity, wickedness
2 Thessalonians 2:7, "7 For the mystery of iniquity is already working, but the One restraining him will continue to restrain him, until he is made to appear in the midst. And then that lawless one will be revealed, whom Yahshua will remove with the breath of His mouth, and make powerless with the appearance of His coming-- Whose coming is according to the energy of Satan..."
Matt 5:19, "Whosoever, therefore, will break one of the least of these Laws, and will teach men so, he will be called the least in the Kingdom of Yahweh; but whosoever will do and teach them, the same will be called great in the Kingdom of Yahweh."
Matt 7:12, "So then, whatever you desire that others would do to and for you, even so do also to and for them, for this is (sums up) the Law and the Prophets."
Matt 22:36-40, "Teacher, what is the greatest commandment in the Law? Yahshua said to him: You must love Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."
Yahchanan (John) 14:15, "If you love Me, keep My commandments."
I WANT TO GOT TO THE KINGDOM OF YAHWEH VERY VERY MUCH, however if YHWH told me today I was not going, I honestly believe I would NEVER quit promoting righteousness. (im human, I know I dont do it perfectly)
Everything I say, is from the perspective of one who has already accepted Messiah, honestly my studies are always geared around what does He want. With the current state of the world, know in Scripture as "the Mystery of Iniquity" I think obedience is so grossly under preached it is repulsive, not jokingly or metaphorically, like sit down for a second because of the non-stop bombardment of anti-righteous filth on the TV, movies, music, bars, clubs, crooked politicians, crooked businessmen, criminals, on and on, etc, etc. And yes I sin also, but its like a dizzy spell of craziness out there. It bothers me so. I'm not perfect, I don't always reply perfectly. But I feel I can stand on the words of Yahshua (Jesus) its all about love, these are His words;
Mattithyah 24:12, "And because iniquity will abound, the love of the many will grow cold."
"iniquity" is:#0458 anomia {an-om-ee'-ah} from G0459
Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)
1) the condition of without law
1a) because ignorant of it
1b) because of violating it
2) contempt and violation of law, iniquity, wickedness
2 Thessalonians 2:7, "7 For the mystery of iniquity is already working, but the One restraining him will continue to restrain him, until he is made to appear in the midst. And then that lawless one will be revealed, whom Yahshua will remove with the breath of His mouth, and make powerless with the appearance of His coming-- Whose coming is according to the energy of Satan..."
Matt 5:19, "Whosoever, therefore, will break one of the least of these Laws, and will teach men so, he will be called the least in the Kingdom of Yahweh; but whosoever will do and teach them, the same will be called great in the Kingdom of Yahweh."
Matt 7:12, "So then, whatever you desire that others would do to and for you, even so do also to and for them, for this is (sums up) the Law and the Prophets."
Matt 22:36-40, "Teacher, what is the greatest commandment in the Law? Yahshua said to him: You must love Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."
Yahchanan (John) 14:15, "If you love Me, keep My commandments."
I WANT TO GOT TO THE KINGDOM OF YAHWEH VERY VERY MUCH, however if YHWH told me today I was not going, I honestly believe I would NEVER quit promoting righteousness. (im human, I know I dont do it perfectly)
Our speech should always be seasoned with salt. If we are believers; we know the commandments. If we are believers; our desire is to do the will of God. If we are believers; we will endeavor to walk as God would have us walk.
Believers don't need SIN preached at them. They know they are sinners . . . they know they fall short of how God wants their walk to be. If I see someone steal something - do I need to tell that person he is a thief? I'm sure he knows it, and I am sure that he feels enough condemnation from himself without me adding to it. I need to show love and understanding and teach them to work for what they want. Will they steal again? I hope not but if they do - I love them again and teach them again. How many times should we forgive our brothers - seventy times seven - as often as they need it.
John 14:15, "If you love Me, keep My commandments." Let me ask you - when a born again believer sins, i.e. breaks a commandment - does that mean they don't love Jesus?
Believers don't need SIN preached at them. They know they are sinners . . . they know they fall short of how God wants their walk to be. If I see someone steal something - do I need to tell that person he is a thief? I'm sure he knows it, and I am sure that he feels enough condemnation from himself without me adding to it. I need to show love and understanding and teach them to work for what they want. Will they steal again? I hope not but if they do - I love them again and teach them again. How many times should we forgive our brothers - seventy times seven - as often as they need it.
John 14:15, "If you love Me, keep My commandments." Let me ask you - when a born again believer sins, i.e. breaks a commandment - does that mean they don't love Jesus?
Call it how YOU see it, I was "saved" (I dont mock being saved but I though at the time) I was "saved", read Scripture, knew Jesus, at a young age, yet I lived in the world of the world, all while thinking all was well. A thankfully received a abrupt correction from Yah, got "serious" and THINGS CHANGED, WHO I WAS CHANGED. I began to understand Scripture, all the puzzle piece across different books and chapters started to make sense, it was amazing. All I can do is speak to my experience, but I can honestly say, YHWH guided me in many ways.... A number of my family members were getting lied to by some local swindling preacher that was using Joseph Prince doctrine as his base.... They are free of that but it was so bothersome.
I love Yahweh, I love Yahshua. I want to follow in truth as I want all others who seek.
Yahchanan (John) 4:24, "Yahweh is a Spirit and those who worship Him must worship Him in Spirit and in truth."
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In this manner it is not for a man to say. How would one know another heart.
I know HE says if one loves Him they will. but to the negative again I can not say.
I know the Messiah words, and I do know He is serious about obedience;
Luke 6:46, "And why call Me; Ruler! Ruler! and do not the things which I say?"
I know HE says if one loves Him they will. but to the negative again I can not say.
I know the Messiah words, and I do know He is serious about obedience;
Luke 6:46, "And why call Me; Ruler! Ruler! and do not the things which I say?"
Does the scriptures say any thing about that?
John 18
[SUP]15 [/SUP]Simon Peter and another disciple were following Jesus. Because this disciple was known to the high priest, he went with Jesus into the high priest’s courtyard, [SUP]16 [/SUP]but Peter had to wait outside at the door. The other disciple, who was known to the high priest, came back, spoke to the servant girl on duty there and brought Peter in.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]“You aren’t one of this man’s disciples too, are you?” she asked Peter.
He replied, “I am not.”
[SUP]18 [/SUP]It was cold, and the servants and officials stood around a fire they had made to keep warm. Peter also was standing with them, warming himself.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]Meanwhile, Simon Peter was still standing there warming himself. So they asked him, “You aren’t one of his disciples too, are you?”
He denied it, saying, “I am not.”
[SUP]26 [/SUP]One of the high priest’s servants, a relative of the man whose ear Peter had cut off, challenged him, “Didn’t I see you with him in the garden?” [SUP]27 [/SUP]Again Peter denied it, and at that moment a rooster began to crow.
So why does Jesus ask Peter this and not once mentions what Peter did?
John 21
[SUP]15 [/SUP]When they had finished eating, Jesus said to Simon Peter, “Simon son of John, do you love me more than these?”
“Yes, Lord,” he said, “you know that I love you.”
Jesus said, “Feed my lambs.”
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Again Jesus said, “Simon son of John, do you love me?”
He answered, “Yes, Lord, you know that I love you.”
Jesus said, “Take care of my sheep.”
[SUP]17 [/SUP]The third time he said to him, “Simon son of John, do you love me?”
Peter was hurt because Jesus asked him the third time, “Do you love me?” He said, “Lord, you know all things; you know that I love you.”
Jesus said, “Feed my sheep. [SUP]18 [/SUP]Very truly I tell you, when you were younger you dressed yourself and went where you wanted; but when you are old you will stretch out your hands, and someone else will dress you and lead you where you do not want to go.” [SUP]19 [/SUP]Jesus said this to indicate the kind of death by which Peter would glorify God. Then he said to him, “Follow me!”
[SUP]20 [/SUP]Peter turned and saw that the disciple whom Jesus loved was following them. (This was the one who had leaned back against Jesus at the supper and had said, “Lord, who is going to betray you?”) [SUP]21 [/SUP]When Peter saw him, he asked, “Lord, what about him?”
[SUP]22 [/SUP]Jesus answered, “If I want him to remain alive until I return, what is that to you? You must follow me.” [SUP]23 [/SUP]Because of this, the rumor spread among the believers that this disciple would not die. But Jesus did not say that he would not die; he only said, “If I want him to remain alive until I return, what is that to you?”
Does the scriptures say any thing about that? About what? Should we feed the sheep? Yes, of course. I don't believe I said we shouldn't. There is a difference in "feeding" sheep and "condemning" sheep . . . when I feed sheep; I edify them, I encourage them to continue and grow; when I keep pointing out a person's sin, I am keeping them in condemnation and sometimes keeping a person in condemnation causes them to want to give up for we will not be "perfect" in this world. There is a balance with grace and truth.
"There is a balance with grace and truth" I agree
Leviticus 19:17, "You shall not hate your neighbor in your heart. Rebuke your brother or your sister frankly, so you will not share in his or her guilt."
Titus 1:9, "Holding fast the teaching according to the faithful word in order that he may be able, by sound doctrine, both to exhort and to refute those who contradict."
1 Yahchanan 2:4, "He who says: I know Him, but does not keep His Law, is a liar, and the truth is not in him."
2 Timothy 4:2-3, "Preach the word Be instant; ready to take your positions in season, out of season. Reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts they will heap to themselves teachers, who will tickle their ears."
Luke 17:3-4, "So be on your guard! If your brother trespasses against you, rebuke him! But if he repents, forgive him! And if he trespasses against you seven times in one day, and seven times in that day turns to you, and says; I repent; then you must forgive him."
Leviticus 19:17, "You shall not hate your neighbor in your heart. Rebuke your brother or your sister frankly, so you will not share in his or her guilt."
Titus 1:9, "Holding fast the teaching according to the faithful word in order that he may be able, by sound doctrine, both to exhort and to refute those who contradict."
1 Yahchanan 2:4, "He who says: I know Him, but does not keep His Law, is a liar, and the truth is not in him."
2 Timothy 4:2-3, "Preach the word Be instant; ready to take your positions in season, out of season. Reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts they will heap to themselves teachers, who will tickle their ears."
Luke 17:3-4, "So be on your guard! If your brother trespasses against you, rebuke him! But if he repents, forgive him! And if he trespasses against you seven times in one day, and seven times in that day turns to you, and says; I repent; then you must forgive him."
Re-post - in case you didn't see it:
Originally Posted by peacefulbeliever
Our speech should always be seasoned with salt. If we are believers; we know the commandments. If we are believers; our desire is to do the will of God. If we are believers; we will endeavor to walk as God would have us walk.
Believers don't need SIN preached at them. They know they are sinners . . . they know they fall short of how God wants their walk to be. If I see someone steal something - do I need to tell that person he is a thief? I'm sure he knows it, and I am sure that he feels enough condemnation from himself without me adding to it. I need to show love and understanding and teach them to work for what they want. Will they steal again? I hope not but if they do - I love them again and teach them again. How many times should we forgive our brothers - seventy times seven - as often as they need it.
John 14:15, "If you love Me, keep My commandments." Let me ask you - when a born again believer sins, i.e. breaks a commandment - does that mean they don't love Jesus?
When someone just post scripture - that is good and all but I have a hard time distinguishing what they are trying to say. As in - are they responding in the negative or the positive? I agree with the scriptures you posted and I believe that those scripture just reiterate what I said in the above post.
Preach the word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage --- with great patience and careful instruction. 2 Timothy 4:2 Correct, rebuke and encourage - be sure to have a balance of all three.
Our speech should always be seasoned with salt. If we are believers; we know the commandments. If we are believers; our desire is to do the will of God. If we are believers; we will endeavor to walk as God would have us walk.
Believers don't need SIN preached at them. They know they are sinners . . . they know they fall short of how God wants their walk to be. If I see someone steal something - do I need to tell that person he is a thief? I'm sure he knows it, and I am sure that he feels enough condemnation from himself without me adding to it. I need to show love and understanding and teach them to work for what they want. Will they steal again? I hope not but if they do - I love them again and teach them again. How many times should we forgive our brothers - seventy times seven - as often as they need it.
John 14:15, "If you love Me, keep My commandments." Let me ask you - when a born again believer sins, i.e. breaks a commandment - does that mean they don't love Jesus?
Preach the word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage --- with great patience and careful instruction. 2 Timothy 4:2 Correct, rebuke and encourage - be sure to have a balance of all three.
"I say no . . . ." you say "no" to what? This? John 14:15, "If you love Me, keep My commandments." Let me ask you - when a born again believer sins, i.e. breaks a commandment - does that mean they don't love Jesus?
Did I not just say: Preach the word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage --- with great patience and careful instruction. 2 Timothy 4:2
Correct, rebuke and encourage - be sure to have a balance of all three.
Did I not just say: Preach the word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage --- with great patience and careful instruction. 2 Timothy 4:2
Correct, rebuke and encourage - be sure to have a balance of all three.