Which laws are and are not valid?
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Obedience is achieved by the enablement of the Holy Spirit to those who are of saving faith.
Eph 2:11-16 disagrees. . .
In "the law and the prophets," the law is not the prophets.
To be interpreted that he had completed all of the law. . .
It is in reference to the earthly work of salvation which the Father gave him to do,
mainly to satisfy the divine justice due for the sin of those who believe in him by his sacrifice of propitiation (Ro 3:25).
Eph 2:11-16 disagrees. . .
In "the law and the prophets," the law is not the prophets.
To be interpreted that he had completed all of the law. . .
It is in reference to the earthly work of salvation which the Father gave him to do,
mainly to satisfy the divine justice due for the sin of those who believe in him by his sacrifice of propitiation (Ro 3:25).
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Elin, you do not share from teh teachings of Jesus Christ on any of the subjects you seem to be most sensitive about.
We obey as best we are able, but what we achieve by the Holy Spirit is being accepted as perfect because of Jesus C¨hrisst dwelling in us. This is explained muc better in Psal 32.
Jesus teaches all that the law is not abolished. If you wish to belong to Paul only, this is your choice. The prophets have not yet been fulfilled in Jesus Christ since He has not yet returened. There are still prophecies to be fulfilled, for instance every eye beholding His return. The Book of Revelation is yet to be fulfilled concerning Jesus Christ. These are obvious substantiations of this teaching from Jesus Christ. When He declared, "It is finished," this was a reference to His petitions in prayer the night previous in the garden when He asked that the cup be removed from Him. He continue in the will of the Father.
Please reveal where Jesus Christ says sthe law is abolished? It has no power over any who claim His presious Blood, as I do, but the law is still there to be learned and obeyed by the Holy Spirit, as best we ae iven. Yet our transgressions are no longer held against us. Perhaps, were yo to study all of the Word, this would come to you. Until then, I cannot continue responding to what I consider ill conceived chatter. God bless you, and please attempt to learn on all subjects from Jesus Christ, for He has invited all to learn of Him............
We obey as best we are able, but what we achieve by the Holy Spirit is being accepted as perfect because of Jesus C¨hrisst dwelling in us. This is explained muc better in Psal 32.
Jesus teaches all that the law is not abolished. If you wish to belong to Paul only, this is your choice. The prophets have not yet been fulfilled in Jesus Christ since He has not yet returened. There are still prophecies to be fulfilled, for instance every eye beholding His return. The Book of Revelation is yet to be fulfilled concerning Jesus Christ. These are obvious substantiations of this teaching from Jesus Christ. When He declared, "It is finished," this was a reference to His petitions in prayer the night previous in the garden when He asked that the cup be removed from Him. He continue in the will of the Father.
Please reveal where Jesus Christ says sthe law is abolished? It has no power over any who claim His presious Blood, as I do, but the law is still there to be learned and obeyed by the Holy Spirit, as best we ae iven. Yet our transgressions are no longer held against us. Perhaps, were yo to study all of the Word, this would come to you. Until then, I cannot continue responding to what I consider ill conceived chatter. God bless you, and please attempt to learn on all subjects from Jesus Christ, for He has invited all to learn of Him............
Setting the word of God against itself is ipso facto proof that one does not understand it correctly.
It is certain Paul would tell you that his words are the words of Christ, from Christ personally, and always in perfect agreement with Christ since they are, in fact, Christ's words.
And did Jesus write those words. . .or were they written by the NT writers?
And since Jesus was born, lived and died under the law, did he give us
the full New Covenant revelation when its very basis-- his death, had not yet occurred?
Did Jesus give Paul so much divine truth after the fact because the fullness of God's truth could not be given before the fact?
Contrare. . .if Jesus and the Father did not think the writings of the NT were beneficial and necessary for the people of God, he would have left us without them.
That would be the new covenant law of Christ, which is the law of God (Mt 22:39; 1Co 9:20-21; Gal 6:2; Jas 2:8) fulfilling all the law of God (Mt 22:40; Ro 13:8, 9, 10).
All believers must have a Peter, James, John, Jude, Matthew, Mark, Luke approach to the NT word of God written.
It is certain Paul would tell you that his words are the words of Christ, from Christ personally, and always in perfect agreement with Christ since they are, in fact, Christ's words.
And did Jesus write those words. . .or were they written by the NT writers?
And since Jesus was born, lived and died under the law, did he give us
the full New Covenant revelation when its very basis-- his death, had not yet occurred?
Did Jesus give Paul so much divine truth after the fact because the fullness of God's truth could not be given before the fact?
Contrare. . .if Jesus and the Father did not think the writings of the NT were beneficial and necessary for the people of God, he would have left us without them.
That would be the new covenant law of Christ, which is the law of God (Mt 22:39; 1Co 9:20-21; Gal 6:2; Jas 2:8) fulfilling all the law of God (Mt 22:40; Ro 13:8, 9, 10).
All believers must have a Peter, James, John, Jude, Matthew, Mark, Luke approach to the NT word of God written.
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But it omits part of the word relevant to the point on which you are posting.
Read the words spoken by the Son in these last days through the NT writers in Eph 2:15,
and do not present your unbelief of them as the God's truth.
Previously addressed. . .
Please confess your belief in all of the NT writings of the NT word of God. . .I like to hear this from family in Christ from time to time. . . .
Read the words spoken by the Son in these last days through the NT writers in Eph 2:15,
and do not present your unbelief of them as the God's truth.
Previously addressed. . .
Please confess your belief in all of the NT writings of the NT word of God. . .I like to hear this from family in Christ from time to time. . . .
Setting the word of God against itself in the words of Jesus and Paul is ipso facto proof that
you do not understand them correctly.
It is revealed in the words spoken by the Son in these last days (Heb 1:1-2) through the NT writers in Eph 2:15.
Please confess your belief in all the words spoken by the Son in these last days (Heb 1:1-2) through the NT writers.
you do not understand them correctly.
It is revealed in the words spoken by the Son in these last days (Heb 1:1-2) through the NT writers in Eph 2:15.
Please confess your belief in all the words spoken by the Son in these last days (Heb 1:1-2) through the NT writers.
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Elin, I must warn you because you are in danger of your own tongue. I recommend you read very carefully 11 chapter of the Romans! Read it! Carefully! Here a part:
1. I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, [of] the tribe of Benjamin.
2. God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying,
3. Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.
4. But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to [the image of] Baal.
5. Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
6. And if by grace, then [is it] no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if [it be] of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
7. What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded
8. (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear unto this day.
9. And David saith, Let their table be made a snare, and a trap, and a stumblingblock, and a recompence unto them:
10. Let their eyes be darkened, that they may not see, and bow down their back alway.
11. I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but [rather] through their fall salvation [is come] unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.
12. Now if the fall of them [be] the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?
13. For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:
14. If by any means I may provoke to emulation [them which are] my flesh, and might save some of them.
15. For if the casting away of them [be] the reconciling of the world, what [shall] the receiving [of them be], but life from the dead?
16. For if the firstfruit [be] holy, the lump [is] also [holy]: and if the root [be] holy, so [are] the branches.
17. And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;
18. Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.
19. Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.
20. Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
21. For if God spared not the natural branches, [take heed] lest he also spare not thee.
I love you and will pray for your soul! Let God Jesus Christ give you patience and understanding what to do with His gift!
God bless you!
Do not quote me anymore - I will stop answer here!
1. I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, [of] the tribe of Benjamin.
2. God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying,
3. Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.
4. But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to [the image of] Baal.
5. Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
6. And if by grace, then [is it] no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if [it be] of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
7. What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded
8. (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear unto this day.
9. And David saith, Let their table be made a snare, and a trap, and a stumblingblock, and a recompence unto them:
10. Let their eyes be darkened, that they may not see, and bow down their back alway.
11. I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but [rather] through their fall salvation [is come] unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.
12. Now if the fall of them [be] the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?
13. For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:
14. If by any means I may provoke to emulation [them which are] my flesh, and might save some of them.
15. For if the casting away of them [be] the reconciling of the world, what [shall] the receiving [of them be], but life from the dead?
16. For if the firstfruit [be] holy, the lump [is] also [holy]: and if the root [be] holy, so [are] the branches.
17. And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;
18. Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.
19. Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.
20. Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
21. For if God spared not the natural branches, [take heed] lest he also spare not thee.
I love you and will pray for your soul! Let God Jesus Christ give you patience and understanding what to do with His gift!
God bless you!
Do not quote me anymore - I will stop answer here!
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Brother-Jaume,
sometimes discernment can cut your heart in two = most times this is when our heavenly Father, even though
it breaks our hearts, we must hope and pray that the word He has given us will be that special seed that will
eventually sprout and grow and sow the power of our heart-felt prayers.
we must know when we are trying to step-in and take over our Father's job and humble ourselves and go on to
the next precious job that He has planned for us, and we already know the joy and comfort this will give..
may we say that we are so pleased and honored to know you and to be a partaker and learner of the wisdom
that our heavenly Father has bestowed upon you.
we commend you for speaking with 'love-kindness-respect, for out of the mouth proceeds the abundance
of the HEART.
with much Love in Christ,
may you continue to bear Spiritual fruit in our Lord and Saviour, Jesus Christ.
may you continue to die daily and may we never let our ego over-come our Spiritual grace.
sometimes discernment can cut your heart in two = most times this is when our heavenly Father, even though
it breaks our hearts, we must hope and pray that the word He has given us will be that special seed that will
eventually sprout and grow and sow the power of our heart-felt prayers.
we must know when we are trying to step-in and take over our Father's job and humble ourselves and go on to
the next precious job that He has planned for us, and we already know the joy and comfort this will give..
may we say that we are so pleased and honored to know you and to be a partaker and learner of the wisdom
that our heavenly Father has bestowed upon you.
we commend you for speaking with 'love-kindness-respect, for out of the mouth proceeds the abundance
of the HEART.
with much Love in Christ,
may you continue to bear Spiritual fruit in our Lord and Saviour, Jesus Christ.
may you continue to die daily and may we never let our ego over-come our Spiritual grace.
When certain professing Christians come to grips with the FACT that it is not God's law that causes sin, then they will be headed in the right direction concerning eternal life. The law reveals the sin, it is NOT the cause of sin. Let's make sure our rhetoric fits the truth. If we continue to blame the law instead of the iniquity that still remains in the mortal body, even after we are supposedly born again, I think this statement of Christ Jesus will apply to those who turn the truth upside-down concerning the Torah.
Matthew 7:20-23
[SUP]20 [/SUP]Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
[SUP]22 [/SUP]Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
[SUP]23 [/SUP]And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Matthew 7:20-23
[SUP]20 [/SUP]Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
[SUP]22 [/SUP]Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
[SUP]23 [/SUP]And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.