Which will happen first, The Ezekiel 38 Gog War or the Rapture?
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1. The entire episode is regarded with God's promises to Israel, which negates the need for the Church to be present upon the scene at the time.
2. The Holy name of God is revealed to the nations through Israel just before humanity has to make its final choices between Christ and the Antichrist."
The Pre-Ezekiel 38 Rapture Possibility
2. The Holy name of God is revealed to the nations through Israel just before humanity has to make its final choices between Christ and the Antichrist."
The Pre-Ezekiel 38 Rapture Possibility
I'd love to have an honest discussion. Honestly Ezek 38-39 is very difficult to interpret, but it seems that we have nations attacking Israel and being destroyed that has no historical precedent, so it must be future. We also have a blessed hope that Jesus will return at any moment, no one knows when, but it will be sudden and glorious, but I'll bite, I believe the Rapture will occur first, what verse do you have for me?
It is important that we know this, that Resurrection shall occur first before the rapture.
Do you agree that the Ezekiel 38. GOG vs Israel war will occur in the LATTER YEARS as per eze 38:8?
[Eze 38:8] KJV After many days thou shalt be visited: in the latter years thou shalt come into the land that is brought back from the sword, and is gathered out of many people, against the mountains of Israel, which have been always waste: but it is brought forth out of the nations, and they shall dwell safely all of them.
And Do you also agree with Jesus that Resurrection of all those who believe shall occur at "THE LAST DAY" as per John 6:40?
[[Joh 6:40]] KJV And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
Do you agree that the Ezekiel 38. GOG vs Israel war will occur in the LATTER YEARS as per eze 38:8?
[Eze 38:8] KJV After many days thou shalt be visited: in the latter years thou shalt come into the land that is brought back from the sword, and is gathered out of many people, against the mountains of Israel, which have been always waste: but it is brought forth out of the nations, and they shall dwell safely all of them.
And Do you also agree with Jesus that Resurrection of all those who believe shall occur at "THE LAST DAY" as per John 6:40?
[[Joh 6:40]] KJV And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
The question is, what is "the last day" spoken of in John 6:40? Is it a technical term meaning the last day of earthly existence or the definitive end of time? Or is it a general term meaning "in the end". The only other times this phrase is used is by Martha in John 11:24 and Jesus in John 12:48. Martha affirms her belief that there will be a resurrection in the end, "the last day." Jesus also states that everyone will be judged by the words He has spoken "at the last day." It seems to me that this is not a technical term for the very end of all time, the end of all things, but a general term meaning the end. To Martha, in the end everyone will be resurrected, and to Jesus, everyone will be judged in the end by whether they reject His words.
Jesus and Martha are not technically affirming that there are absolutely no other events after the resurrection or judgment, just that in the end all will be resurrected and judged. If this was technical, then Jesus would be saying that the rapture can't occur after the resurrection, and this would of course contradict 1 Thess 4. But there is no contradiction. When Paul speaks of the comfort of the Rapture, it is comforting because at any moment we will be gathered together, saints asleep and alive, to meet the Lord in the air.
Jesus and Martha are not technically affirming that there are absolutely no other events after the resurrection or judgment, just that in the end all will be resurrected and judged. If this was technical, then Jesus would be saying that the rapture can't occur after the resurrection, and this would of course contradict 1 Thess 4. But there is no contradiction. When Paul speaks of the comfort of the Rapture, it is comforting because at any moment we will be gathered together, saints asleep and alive, to meet the Lord in the air.
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These Bible studies are accurate to the letter :
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http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/74660-ezekiel-chapter-38-armageddon-hamon-gog.html
If your looking for rapture, your going to come up short in understanding this...
What you want to learn is what it states, Christ return, and when in the order of events taught , that happens.
Link >
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/74660-ezekiel-chapter-38-armageddon-hamon-gog.html
If your looking for rapture, your going to come up short in understanding this...
What you want to learn is what it states, Christ return, and when in the order of events taught , that happens.
Since you questioned the meaning of the " last day" of john 6:40, do you also questioned the meaning of the " latter years" of Ezekiel 38:8?
Whatever your definition of the Last Day of John 6:40, shall be the "last day" of the LATTER YEARS of the Ezekiel 38.Since, the Spirit that gave the prophecy to Ezekiel about the latter years was the same Spirit that said that the resurrection shall be at the Last day.
Please, set aside first of what you have been taught about the rapture and let start from scratch.
Here is the question again,Do you agree that
1. Ezekiel 38 Gog war will occur at the LATTER YEARS (Eze 38:8)
2. Resurrection shall be at the LAST DAY according to Jesus (John 6:40)
Did you not agree, Based from the same verses (1thes 4:13-18), That Resurrection shall occur first before the Rapture? Let us not sway away from that truth.
Now as to the Last day.
the Bible is clear.
1.The Kingdom of God is forever (no last day)
2. That the Kingdom of this world ends when the Kingdom of God is established (Rev 11:15)
3. Daniel speaks of 4 kingdoms before God kingdom (Daniel 7)
4. Those dead saints were Resurrected and seen at the kingdom of Christ (Rev 20:4)
5. Daniel shall stand (Resurrected) at the end of days (Dan 12:13), compare that to John 6:40.
(Daniel understand that God's kingdom is forever (no last day) and He also understand that the fourth kingdom is the last before God's Kingdom) I think that Daniel too understand which end of days is it.
The Bible is not clear as to how long it shall be between the Resurrection and Rapture. So we can say that the Rapture can occur at any moment only AFTER the Resurrection.
But The Bible is definitely clear that there shall be Resurrection First before the Rapture.
When Paul was speaking of comfort in 1 thes 4:13-18, this is to comfort the living brethren that even if they died, They will be resurrected (read it verse by verse) and to those that are alive when that time comes they too will be caught up (That is our hope, even the same assurance the Jesus was saying in John 6:40).
Let me ask again, Do you agree on the questions above?
Ezekiel 39:7-12
7 So will I make my holy name known in the midst of my people Israel (Those that search for God but through earthly means); and I will not let them pollute my holy name any more: and the heathen (Those who live their lives as the beasts of the wild and according to the nature of the world) shall know that I am the Lord, the Holy One in Israel.
8 Behold, it is come, and it is done, saith the Lord God; this is the day whereof I have spoken.
9 And they that dwell in the cities of Israel (Those that cast away the building made by human hands and are led by the Spirit) shall go forth, and shall set on fire and burn the weapons, both the shields and the bucklers, the bows and the arrows, and the handstaves, and the spears, and they shall burn them with fire seven years (Our weapons are not carnal, therefore what we will set fire to is not as well. We will cast down the vain imaginations of men):
10 So that they shall take no wood out of the field, neither cut down any out of the forests; for they shall burn the weapons with fire: and they shall spoil those that spoiled them, and rob those that robbed them, saith the Lord God (Things like money and if Christians are saved over Muslims will no longer be made an image of).
11 And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will give unto Gog a place there of graves in Israel (Gog represents an IDEA, a spirit of error. People die, but this "Gog" was never put in the grave being carried on by other men), the valley of the passengers on the east of the sea: and it shall stop the noses of the passengers: and there shall they bury Gog and all his multitude: and they shall call it The valley of Hamongog.
12 And seven months shall the house of Israel be burying of them, that they may cleanse the land.
We have 18 million homes that are empty with only 3 million homeless. This should not be if we HAVE MORE THAN ENOUGH! So whatever in your mind is against simply giving these homes away and releasing the people of this type of madness everywhere IS OUR ENEMY! We battle our own minds and must cast down the "Gog" in us all.
7 So will I make my holy name known in the midst of my people Israel (Those that search for God but through earthly means); and I will not let them pollute my holy name any more: and the heathen (Those who live their lives as the beasts of the wild and according to the nature of the world) shall know that I am the Lord, the Holy One in Israel.
8 Behold, it is come, and it is done, saith the Lord God; this is the day whereof I have spoken.
9 And they that dwell in the cities of Israel (Those that cast away the building made by human hands and are led by the Spirit) shall go forth, and shall set on fire and burn the weapons, both the shields and the bucklers, the bows and the arrows, and the handstaves, and the spears, and they shall burn them with fire seven years (Our weapons are not carnal, therefore what we will set fire to is not as well. We will cast down the vain imaginations of men):
10 So that they shall take no wood out of the field, neither cut down any out of the forests; for they shall burn the weapons with fire: and they shall spoil those that spoiled them, and rob those that robbed them, saith the Lord God (Things like money and if Christians are saved over Muslims will no longer be made an image of).
11 And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will give unto Gog a place there of graves in Israel (Gog represents an IDEA, a spirit of error. People die, but this "Gog" was never put in the grave being carried on by other men), the valley of the passengers on the east of the sea: and it shall stop the noses of the passengers: and there shall they bury Gog and all his multitude: and they shall call it The valley of Hamongog.
12 And seven months shall the house of Israel be burying of them, that they may cleanse the land.
We have 18 million homes that are empty with only 3 million homeless. This should not be if we HAVE MORE THAN ENOUGH! So whatever in your mind is against simply giving these homes away and releasing the people of this type of madness everywhere IS OUR ENEMY! We battle our own minds and must cast down the "Gog" in us all.
I'm honestly confused over the sequence of events you are proposing. From what I'm understanding you say that the resurrection of everyone has to occur before the Rapture. There is only one resurrection, it's at the "last day" and everyone is resurrected then, and this has to take place before the kingdom of God is set in place and after the battle of Ezekiel 38, which we know is future. So we can't have the sequence of events be resurrection, rapture, battle, kingdom? It has to be battle, resurrection, kingdom, rapture?
From Ezekiel's vantage point the battle was in the last days, the resurrection is also at a point in the last day, are you saying the two have to be synonymous?
From Ezekiel's vantage point the battle was in the last days, the resurrection is also at a point in the last day, are you saying the two have to be synonymous?
let us be clear.
1. You have agreed based from 1thes 4:13-18, that Resurrection will occur first before the Rapture.
It is not I that proposed it but the bible clearly showed to us and you agreed.
2. John 6:40 was clear that EVERYONE who believe in Jesus shall be raised again at the "last day" please note not "days" but "day".
3. The Battle of ezekiel 38 will be at the "Latter years" , if you will agree as per eze 38:8.
Based from your statement
Do you now agree that Eze 38 Gog war shall occur first before the Rapture?
1. You have agreed based from 1thes 4:13-18, that Resurrection will occur first before the Rapture.
It is not I that proposed it but the bible clearly showed to us and you agreed.
2. John 6:40 was clear that EVERYONE who believe in Jesus shall be raised again at the "last day" please note not "days" but "day".
3. The Battle of ezekiel 38 will be at the "Latter years" , if you will agree as per eze 38:8.
Based from your statement
Do you now agree that Eze 38 Gog war shall occur first before the Rapture?
I am no expert on this but generally I believe prophecy found in the OT, the four Gospels and Revelation concerns Israel and not the Church. Therefore the Church will not be here then...but I wouldn't be a martyr for that view on prophecy 
The 1st 4 books of NT- Story of A jewish Savior
Acts- The Story of the Journey Jewish believers
Letters - Letters from Jewish Believers
Revelation- the journey of Jewish people till the coming of Jewish King.
(look rev2:9, rev 3:9 )