who did Cain get married to?

[maxwel]

Abraham also lied and allowed another man to take his own wife as his wife. Don't kid yourself that that marriage wasn't consummated. And he got rich off that deception. Not to mention several other questionable things he did. Abe was no choir boy. His daddy even manufactured idols for worship in pagan rituals.

Of course you were "explained" about incest being OK back in those days. We all were told the validity of that theory. But, that is ALL it is, a theory. Actually, it was just a "hypothesis" back then, since it was never questioned.

If you have an alternate theory, then please share it.

 

[Willie-T]

If you have an alternate theory, then please share it.

I've studied several. But, I don't want to try to convince anyone of anything, but rather to get people to sit and think a little beyond the simple Sunday School ideas we were taught.

For instance, we are told God spoke everything into existence. Now, that sounds all nice and Spiritual. But it doesn't tell us one single thing about how blood came to flow and generate life, how sucking air in and expelling it out keeps us alive, or why muscles tighten and relax. And that doesn't even begin to discuss the other 300,000 things that make humans function....... and then we get to go on to the other 300,000,000,000,000 items and actions going on every moment throughout the universe.

Yet, we make ourselves be content that a human was actually simply mixed-up out of some mud... period. When, unless we are totally disconnected from reality, we know at least three hundred thousand things went into that creation of only one single human being.

Are you following me? God created. Of course He did. But, there is no way just the few words we are told in the Bible even come close to describing all that really went on. But, we insist on believing that is all there ever was to it.

 

[maxwel]

Willie,
As a starting place, you already know that we disagree on almost everything doctrinally.
And in spite of that, when we both make an effort, we can still get along just fine.
That works for me.
I'm not out to burn you at the stake today.

So here's what we've got:
Someone posed the standard question about Cain's wife.
You kinda tore into that theory, and disparaged it.
I asked you for your counter theory to replace it.

What I asked was reasonable.

I was polite.

You still haven't answered with a counter theory...
which you probably need to do if you're going to disparage the traditional theory.


I'm not mad at you.

I'm not throwing any bricks at you today.

But if you're going to publicly denounce the traditional theory (which is your prerogative) then you should give your alternate theory.

* If you cannot give an alternate theory, then the traditional theory will stand as the ONLY theory, and it wins by default.

* A "possible" theory logically becomes the "best" theory whenever there is no competing theory.


I'm out of time.
Have fun.
- Max

 

[Willie-T]

Willie,
As a starting place, you already know that we disagree on almost everything doctrinally.
And in spite of that, when we both make an effort, we can still get along just fine.
That works for me.
I'm not out to burn you at the stake today.

So here's what we've got:
Someone posed the standard question about Cain's wife.
You kinda tore into that theory, and disparaged it.
I asked you for your counter theory to replace it.

What I asked was reasonable.

I was polite.

You still haven't answered with a counter theory...
which you probably need to do if you're going to disparage the traditional theory.


I'm not mad at you.

I'm not throwing any bricks at you today.

But if you're going to publicly denounce the traditional theory (which is your prerogative) then you should give your alternate theory.

* If you cannot give an alternate theory, then the traditional theory will stand as the ONLY theory, and it wins by default.

* A "possible" theory logically becomes the "best" theory whenever there is no competing theory.


I'm out of time.
Have fun.
- Max

Well, see.... while many people feel they must know a "fact" they can declare about something arbitrary like what we've mentioned, and stand and state they know it, and that such knowing somehow solidifies their position with God, I don't.

I've seen all sorts of people declare knowledge of the concept we call the Trinity, as though they actually grasped it and there was no doubt or question about any part of it in their minds. I know that is bull. But, they seem to have to convince themselves at least. So, I say, "That's fine."

You seem to want me to say..."You think it is "A", but I think it is "B." Why do you have a problem with me not declaring I know I have the right answer, yet asking, "Couldn't there be other possibilities?" Is this forum just a place to try to prove one's self and ideas to be better or more accurate than someone else's?

Of course I (like anyone else) have thoughts and ideas on almost any subject. But, I want to foster "thinking." Not just a juvenile bantering back and forth of attempting to "one-up" the last premise. "Ah ha, I can prove THAT wrong, and me right."

But, since you've just gotta have a bone to chew up and spit back at me, I actually think Adam might have been the first from among the people group destined to become the Israelites.

I have other theories about why an anthropologist can look at no more than the bones of a skeleton, and tell you the race of the person (broadly, of course), and why Neanderthal bones are distinctively different from those of Homo Sapiens..... which are both different from those of modern man's today. But, I will never try to claim I am right in my speculations.

 

[Ariel82]

Abraham also lied and allowed another man to take his own wife as his wife. Don't kid yourself that that marriage wasn't consummated. And he got rich off that deception. Not to mention several other questionable things he did. Abe was no choir boy. His daddy even manufactured idols for worship in pagan rituals.

Of course you were "explained" about incest being OK back in those days. We all were told the validity of that theory. But, that is ALL it is, a theory. Actually, it was just a "hypothesis" back then, since it was never questioned.

The marriage wasn't consumated...God sent dream to prevent it from happening.

Genesis 20
2And Abraham said of Sarah his wife, “She is my sister.” And Abimelech king of Gerar sent and took Sarah. 3But God came to Abimelech in a dream by night and said to him, “Behold, you are a dead man because of the woman whom you have taken, for she is a man’s wife.” 4Now Abimelech had not approached her. So he said, “Lord, will you kill an innocent people? 5Did he not himself say to me, ‘She is my sister’? And she herself said, ‘He is my brother.’ In the integrity of my heart and the innocence of my hands I have done this.” 6Then God said to him in the dream, “Yes, I know that you have done this in the integrity of your heart, and it was I who kept you from sinning against me. Therefore I did not let you touch her. 7Now then, return the man’s wife, for he is a prophet, so that he will pray for you, and you shall live. But if you do not return her, know that you shall surely die, you and all who are yours.”

8So Abimelech rose early in the morning and called all his servants and told them all these things. And the men were very much afraid. 9Then Abimelech called Abraham and said to him, “What have you done to us? And how have I sinned against you, that you have brought on me and my kingdom a great sin? You have done to me things that ought not to be done.” 10And Abimelech said to Abraham, “What did you see, that you did this thing?” 11Abraham said, “I did it because I thought, ‘There is no fear of God at all in this place, and they will kill me because of my wife.’ 12 12Besides, she is indeed my sister, the daughter of my father though not the daughter of my mother, and she became my wife.

 

[Ariel82]

So how do folks deal with the fact Sarah was Abraham's wife and his half sister on his daddy's side?

 

[Willie-T]

The marriage wasn't consumated...God sent dream to prevent it from happening.

Genesis 20
2And Abraham said of Sarah his wife, “She is my sister.” And Abimelech king of Gerar sent and took Sarah. 3But God came to Abimelech in a dream by night and said to him, “Behold, you are a dead man because of the woman whom you have taken, for she is a man’s wife.” 4Now Abimelech had not approached her. So he said, “Lord, will you kill an innocent people? 5Did he not himself say to me, ‘She is my sister’? And she herself said, ‘He is my brother.’ In the integrity of my heart and the innocence of my hands I have done this.” 6Then God said to him in the dream, “Yes, I know that you have done this in the integrity of your heart, and it was I who kept you from sinning against me. Therefore I did not let you touch her. 7Now then, return the man’s wife, for he is a prophet, so that he will pray for you, and you shall live. But if you do not return her, know that you shall surely die, you and all who are yours.”

8So Abimelech rose early in the morning and called all his servants and told them all these things. And the men were very much afraid. 9Then Abimelech called Abraham and said to him, “What have you done to us? And how have I sinned against you, that you have brought on me and my kingdom a great sin? You have done to me things that ought not to be done.” 10And Abimelech said to Abraham, “What did you see, that you did this thing?” 11Abraham said, “I did it because I thought, ‘There is no fear of God at all in this place, and they will kill me because of my wife.’ 12 12Besides, she is indeed my sister, the daughter of my father though not the daughter of my mother, and she became my wife.

OK, the same king that Abe said would simply kill him to have his wife, decided to wait a few nights before trying out his new possession, and then he rewarded Abe with a ton of wealth for the deception. Sounds good to me. Yeah, I'll buy that.

 

[notuptome]

God provided a wife for Cain. God provides for all of His creation. Where she came from is not all that important. What is important is Gods provision for all our needs.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[ROSSELLA]

The Bible recorded that after Cain killed his brother, and the Lord cursed him and put a mark on him so no one would kill him, that he departed and later got married. Now my question is, if Cain and Abel were the first children and Adam and Eve were God's first creation, where did Cain get the woman he got married to? Shalom!

Either God created people after Adam and Eve that we're not told about, or Cain married his sister or niece. This is disgusting to us today, but God didn't give the command against incest until Exodus. It's hypothesized that, either because the Fall caused human's DNA to steadily degrade or because it naturally did so after a while (now that sin was in the world), the medical dangers associated with incest weren't present until around the time of Exodus. This theory makes sense to me, since Abraham married his sister and Nahor married his niece. If incest had been a problem initially, God would have made more families so that the human race could continue without incest. Of course, some incest (parent-child, stepparent-stepchild), was probably wrong all along and people had just become so degenerate they needed it spelled out to them, because in the first case...I can't think of a situation that would involve a parent sleeping with a child that wouldn't be some form of abuse. The uneven power dynamic alone pushes it into extremely dubious consent even if the child is an adult. In the second example, there would be no genetic issues, but it's still forbidden in Exodus.

 

[maxwel]

Well, see.... while many people feel they must know a "fact" they can declare about something arbitrary like what we've mentioned, and stand and state they know it, and that such knowing somehow solidifies their position with God, I don't.

I've seen all sorts of people declare knowledge of the concept we call the Trinity, as though they actually grasped it and there was no doubt or question about any part of it in their minds. I know that is bull. But, they seem to have to convince themselves at least. So, I say, "That's fine."

You seem to want me to say..."You think it is "A", but I think it is "B." Why do you have a problem with me not declaring I know I have the right answer, yet asking, "Couldn't there be other possibilities?" Is this forum just a place to try to prove one's self and ideas to be better or more accurate than someone else's?

Of course I (like anyone else) have thoughts and ideas on almost any subject. But, I want to foster "thinking." Not just a juvenile bantering back and forth of attempting to "one-up" the last premise. "Ah ha, I can prove THAT wrong, and me right."

But, since you've just gotta have a bone to chew up and spit back at me, I actually think Adam might have been the first from among the people group destined to become the Israelites.

I have other theories about why an anthropologist can look at no more than the bones of a skeleton, and tell you the race of the person (broadly, of course), and why Neanderthal bones are distinctively different from those of Homo Sapiens..... which are both different from those of modern man's today. But, I will never try to claim I am right in my speculations.

So basically, you don't think Adam was literally the first man?
You hold to more of an evolutionary view, or a theistic-evolution view?

Ok.
That was easy.

Thank for you posing your alternate theory.

 

[Johnny_B]

Abraham also lied and allowed another man to take his own wife as his wife. Don't kid yourself that that marriage wasn't consummated. And he got rich off that deception. Not to mention several other questionable things he did. Abe was no choir boy. His daddy even manufactured idols for worship in pagan rituals.

Of course you were "explained" about incest being OK back in those days. We all were told the validity of that theory. But, that is ALL it is, a theory. Actually, it was just a "hypothesis" back then, since it was never questioned.

I'm not understanding how you came up with, the Pharaoh took her as his wife and consummated the marriage, with the context the Lord bringing plagues to the Pharaoh's house, they came before he took her or consummated anything with Sarai and he only told a half lie since she was his half-sister. With the Lord bringing plagues to his house would of been enough for me to believe that there was nothing consummated, I can't see the Lord waiting until after, then bring plagues to his house. Here's what was said, between Pharaoh and Abram.

But the Lord plagued Pharaoh and his house with great plagues because of Sarai, Abram’s wife. 18 And Pharaoh called Abram and said, “What is this you have done to me? Why did you not tell me that she was your wife? 19 Why did you say, ‘She is my sister’? I might have taken her as my wife. Now therefore, here is your wife; take her and go your way.”

I am not understanding how you've come up with Pharaoh consummating anything, it reads as though the Lord brought the plagues to prevent that from happening, not as a judgement for it happening.

 

[Depleted]

Well, see.... while many people feel they must know a "fact" they can declare about something arbitrary like what we've mentioned, and stand and state they know it, and that such knowing somehow solidifies their position with God, I don't.

I've seen all sorts of people declare knowledge of the concept we call the Trinity, as though they actually grasped it and there was no doubt or question about any part of it in their minds. I know that is bull. But, they seem to have to convince themselves at least. So, I say, "That's fine."

You seem to want me to say..."You think it is "A", but I think it is "B." Why do you have a problem with me not declaring I know I have the right answer, yet asking, "Couldn't there be other possibilities?" Is this forum just a place to try to prove one's self and ideas to be better or more accurate than someone else's?

Of course I (like anyone else) have thoughts and ideas on almost any subject. But, I want to foster "thinking." Not just a juvenile bantering back and forth of attempting to "one-up" the last premise. "Ah ha, I can prove THAT wrong, and me right."

But, since you've just gotta have a bone to chew up and spit back at me, I actually think Adam might have been the first from among the people group destined to become the Israelites.

I have other theories about why an anthropologist can look at no more than the bones of a skeleton, and tell you the race of the person (broadly, of course), and why Neanderthal bones are distinctively different from those of Homo Sapiens..... which are both different from those of modern man's today. But, I will never try to claim I am right in my speculations.

As far as "must know a 'fact'" goes, you win the prize for asserting your "facts" the most. And it took you this long to tell what you think.

That is one wild leap some of us hope to make..... considering that God has never been too keen on incest.

It is interesting that most of us try to ignore that part about Cain DEPARTING. Were all these other brothers and sisters of his already living out there in the wilderness somewhere? How and why did they get sent there... since Cain was banished from the area of his parent's homeland strictly as punishment?

Abraham also lied and allowed another man to take his own wife as his wife. Don't kid yourself that that marriage wasn't consummated. And he got rich off that deception. Not to mention several other questionable things he did. Abe was no choir boy. His daddy even manufactured idols for worship in pagan rituals.

Of course you were "explained" about incest being OK back in those days. We all were told the validity of that theory. But, that is ALL it is, a theory. Actually, it was just a "hypothesis" back then, since it was never questioned.

You seem under the delusion we're all taking the word of Sunday school teachers, but you alone are studied and understand all other choices. (I've never gone to Sunday school. CCD and Bible studies, sure, but not Sunday school. Feel like I missed out on all your lessons.)

As far as I know, there are three theories. There may be more:
1. Evolution, which really does declare Man mated with animals.
2. The traditional theory of Cain married his sister.
3. Adam and Eve weren't the first man and woman. They were one of several groups. (Something like you're going for, but not quite.) And frankly, that is the one that tries to bridge evolution with creation, so it's not all that new of a theory.

Despite that, you took this long to just state one of the possibilities you think, while not committing to any. and yet you spent the rest of the time acting like we're just morons, because you think we're all buying what some Sunday school teacher taught us when we were children.

You're the one chewing the bone and spitting it back. Not Max.

You say you want to protect all the young'ns from Christians? My fear is they will believe you're the only grown up to look up to, because you think that of yourself. You're no more worth looking up to than I am, and I clearly understand I'm not that. Haughtiness isn't something to aspire to. You keep trying to teach it is. I fear the young'ns will grow up to be you.

 

[dcontroversal]

That is one wild leap some of us hope to make..... considering that God has never been too keen on incest.

Was not Sarah Abraham's half sister.......if I remember right when I taught thru Genesis and brought out about Abraham telling Sarah to say she was his sister the geneology proves she was his half sister......

 

[Johnny_B]

It is interesting that most of us try to ignore that part about Cain DEPARTING. Were all these other brothers and sisters of his already living out there in the wilderness somewhere? How and why did they get sent there... since Cain was banished from the area of his parent's homeland strictly as punishment?

There is no account of any other of Adam's children living as a vagabond as Cain did and from the context of Genesis 4:16-24 he had offspring that lived in tents. There's no indication that those brothers and sisters of his did not or could not go out to where Cain was or that Cain could not come to them, it just says that he went out of the presents of the Lord and built a city called Nod (wandering), indicating that he wandered outside the presence of the Lord, never says he did not interact with his brothers and sisters. The only possibility we have is he married one of his sisters, Genesis 4:17-24 and Genesis 4:25-5:32 was going on at the same time.

 

[Magenta]

We are not told how old Cain was when he wed, nor even how old Adam and Eve were when he was born, nor are we told that he chose his wife from those in Nod, only that he knew her there, meaning, presumably, that is where the marriage was consummated.

There could have been thousands or even several hundred thousand people by the time Cain married, and all of them could have been related to him through Adam and Eve, though not necessarily all as directly as being a sister or brother, for he would have had nieces, and great nieces etc also, to choose from to marry.

Even if he did select a woman from Nod, they could have easily been related to him also given that people could have moved away as the population grew, naturally forcing expansion into new territory in order to provide resources for the growing needs of the people.

Let's look at this logically: Reasons To Believe : Finding a Wife for Cain

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[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]

• life span = 900 years,
• first child comes at age 50,
• child bearing years =500, and
• one child every 5 years during child bearing years.

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[Magenta]

Abraham also lied and allowed another man to take his own wife as his wife. Don't kid yourself that that marriage wasn't consummated. And he got rich off that deception. Not to mention several other questionable things he did. Abe was no choir boy. His daddy even manufactured idols for worship in pagan rituals.

Of course you were "explained" about incest being OK back in those days. We all were told the validity of that theory. But, that is ALL it is, a theory. Actually, it was just a "hypothesis" back then, since it was never questioned.

Are you saying that the man who took Sarah to wife consummated the marriage? Because Scriptures says he did not. See Genesis 20:

Genesis 20 (KJV)

20 And Abraham journeyed from thence toward the south country, and dwelled between Kadesh and Shur, and sojourned in Gerar.

2 And Abraham said of Sarah his wife, She is my sister: and Abimelech king of Gerar sent, and took Sarah.

3 But God came to Abimelech in a dream by night, and said to him, Behold, thou art but a dead man, for the woman which thou hast taken; for she is a man's wife.

4 But Abimelech had not come near her: and he said, Lord, wilt thou slay also a righteous nation?

5 Said he not unto me, She is my sister? and she, even she herself said, He is my brother: in the integrity of my heart and innocency of my hands have I done this.

6 And God said unto him in a dream, Yea, I know that thou didst this in the integrity of thy heart; for I also withheld thee from sinning against me: therefore suffered I thee not to touch her.

7 Now therefore restore the man his wife; for he is a prophet, and he shall pray for thee, and thou shalt live: and if thou restore her not, know thou that thou shalt surely die, thou, and all that are thine.

8 Therefore Abimelech rose early in the morning, and called all his servants, and told all these things in their ears: and the men were sore afraid.

 

[Willie-T]

I'm not understanding how you came up with, the Pharaoh took her as his wife and consummated the marriage, with the context the Lord bringing plagues to the Pharaoh's house, they came before he took her or consummated anything with Sarai and he only told a half lie since she was his half-sister. With the Lord bringing plagues to his house would of been enough for me to believe that there was nothing consummated, I can't see the Lord waiting until after, then bring plagues to his house. Here's what was said, between Pharaoh and Abram.

But the Lord plagued Pharaoh and his house with great plagues because of Sarai, Abram’s wife. 18 And Pharaoh called Abram and said, “What is this you have done to me? Why did you not tell me that she was your wife? 19 Why did you say, ‘She is my sister’? I might have taken her as my wife. Now therefore, here is your wife; take her and go your way.”

I am not understanding how you've come up with Pharaoh consummating anything, it reads as though the Lord brought the plagues to prevent that from happening, not as a judgement for it happening.

Yes, what someone wrote down does read in a manner that makes that pagan Egyptian king look like a fine upstanding, God-fearing man, doesn't it.

 

[Zmouth]

The Bible recorded that after Cain killed his brother, and the Lord cursed him and put a mark on him so no one would kill him, that he departed and later got married. Now my question is, if Cain and Abel were the first children and Adam and Eve were God's first creation, where did Cain get the woman he got married to? Shalom!

11 And the vision of all is become unto you as the words of a book that is sealed, which men deliver to one that is learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I cannot; for it is sealed:

12 And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned.
Isa 29:11-13

Guess you had to be there. John 15:27

25 Then said they unto him, Who art thou? And Jesus saith unto them, Even the same that I said unto you from the beginning.
26 I have many things to say and to judge of you: but he that sent me is true; and I speak to the world those things which I have heard of him.
27 They understood not that he spake to them of the Father.
John 8:25-27

[video=youtube;sChJUaU5W9I]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sChJUaU5W9I[/video]

GENESIS 6:1

 

[Ariel82]

OK, the same king that Abe said would simply kill him to have his wife, decided to wait a few nights before trying out his new possession, and then he rewarded Abe with a ton of wealth for the deception. Sounds good to me. Yeah, I'll buy that.

Actually someone told me this a couple weeks ago and I found it interesting....King Abimlech actually lives in what will become Israel.

Topical Bible: Gerar

Gerar
(a lodging-place), a very ancient city south of Gaza. It occurs chiefly in Genesis, (Genesis 10:19; 20:1; 26:17) also incidentally in (2 Chronicles 14:13,14) It must have trenched on the "south" or "south country" of later Palestine. From a comparison of (Genesis 21:32) with Genesis26:23,26 Beersheba would seem to be just on the verge of this territory, and perhaps to be its limit towards the northeast.

Thought that was really interesting.

 

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OK, the same king that Abe said would simply kill him to have his wife, decided to wait a few nights before trying out his new possession, and then he rewarded Abe with a ton of wealth for the deception. Sounds good to me. Yeah, I'll buy that.

My theory -- and, just a theory.
Abraham had two wives. Issac four. David? At least eight. Solomon? Can't ever remember if he had 1000, or merely 500. It seems the richer the man, the more wives.

Abimelech was a king. He probably had quite a few wives.

You're a married man. Where do you spend the rest of the night if you promise your wife a night with her and don't make good on that promise?

I've kind of figured these kings had to give some notice to wife-of-the-night, so she's ready and willing. So, I'm thinking he obviously had the hots for Sari, but he's going to have to put her in line for which night he can be with her. And that line did not start on that first night.