Who did Jesus say would be told to "depart" from Him because he didn't know them?

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1still_waters

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Re: Who did Jesus say would be told to "depart" from Him because he didn't know them?

im not understanding the point....you cant preach the gospel with out repentance,
Thats part of the gospel...So fill me in on the point.
It's called a straw man. ;)
 
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Abiding

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Re: Who did Jesus say would be told to "depart" from Him because he didn't know them?

hmmm ill have to watch the wizzard of oz again and pay closer attention so i can keep up.:)
 
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Re: Who did Jesus say would be told to "depart" from Him because he didn't know them?

I find it odd NO ONE has answered the most important question. How can God say depart from me FOR I NEVER KNEW YOU, if he at one time knew them but they left him. Can God lie?
Of course he cannot lie. SO ask yourself, is it possible that you have miss interpreted this passage to mean what it does not say? It does not say if they were or were not totally forgoten.

Jer 23:39 Therefore, behold, I, even I, will utterly forget you, and I will forsake you, and the city that I gave you and your fathers, and cast you out of my presence: 40 And I will bring an everlasting reproach upon you, and a perpetual shame, which shall not be forgotten

Hos 4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.
Hos 4:7 As they were increased, so they sinned against me: therefore will I change their glory into shame.


If God said this to his people then, why not now?

As for Matthew 7 I dont know if they ever were or were not saved. I would have to assume one way or the other.

Why would I assume those who lives in sin were never saved?


The Bible tells us that God knows those who are his. He does not look upon the wicked, those who live their lives in sin.

Isa 44:21 Remember these, O Jacob and Israel; for thou art my servant: I have formed thee; thou art my servant: O Israel, thou shalt not be forgotten of me.
 
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Re: Who did Jesus say would be told to "depart" from Him because he didn't know them?

im not understanding the point....you cant preach the gospel with out repentance,
Thats part of the gospel...So fill me in on the point.
Yes, repentance is part of the gospel. When Peter preached the Gospel in Acts 2, what was the end message when the Jews asked, what shall we do? Verse 38 "repent and be baptized".

The "good news" is not very good without the telling us we can now be saved through repentance because of the blood of Christ.

If we are "preaching the gospel", and we dont tell the sinner he can repent and be saved, then what was the point fo the message?

You cannot preach the gospel without repentance, you cannot teach Christ crucified without repentance.

The point was, that in Corinthians where EG mentioned them saying Paul saying they wanted nothing more than Christ crucified, he said "not stop sinning, not changing of life". SO my point was, that Paul preaching Christ crucified did include repentance, change of life, because you cant preach it without it.
 
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Re: Who did Jesus say would be told to "depart" from Him because he didn't know them?

It's called a straw man. ;)
How is it a straw man? It's a valid point that shows Paul did preach repentance to the Corinthians through preaching Christ crucified.

Yet I wasn't even debating the issue, I was just pointing that out, so there was really no straw man needed.

I think you both may be missing the point but it was in reference to this statment: see the underline portions in red

I like what Paul said to the corinthians.

When I came to you. O sought nothing but the knowledge of Christ and him crucified.

Not stop sin, Not change your life. Not turn from you sin, nothing but Christ crucified.
 
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Re: Who did Jesus say would be told to "depart" from Him because he didn't know them?

Yes, repentance is part of the gospel. When Peter preached the Gospel in Acts 2, what was the end message when the Jews asked, what shall we do? Verse 38 "repent and be baptized".
exactly
The "good news" is not very good without the telling us we can now be saved through repentance because of the blood of Christ.
of coarse Jesus said repent and be converted..without that there is no gospel
If we are "preaching the gospel", and we dont tell the sinner he can repent and be saved, then what was the point fo the message?
right again repentance is part of the gospel
You cannot preach the gospel without repentance, you cannot teach Christ crucified without repentance.
Correct
The point was, that in Corinthians where EG mentioned them saying Paul saying they wanted nothing more than Christ crucified, he said "not stop sinning, not changing of life". SO my point was, that Paul preaching Christ crucified did include repentance, change of life, because you cant preach it without it.
Oh well i didnt follow that dialogue to good. I thought EG was talking about Paul talking to believers.
Even so after conversion we start sanctification, our standing is secure by the work of the cross, yet our state is in sinfulness which needs sanctified
also a work of the Spirit which YES we have a major role in that.
 
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Oh well i didnt follow that dialogue to good. I thought EG was talking about Paul talking to believers.
yes, I was just pointing it out, I wasn't really refuting what he said I dont think he meant that Paul never mentioned repentance, I think he was just showing the desire to know Christ showed by the Corinthians.

But I am going to get off this subject, I just read the OP has nothign to do with this lol. I always click on the last reply on the thread page if it's not the 2nd or 3rd reply, no telling what the post is about.
 
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lol. We were chosen BEFORE THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD to be adopted into Gods family, to be made holy and blameless. To be Justified before God.

so tell me. How can we be chosen to be given eternal life and adopted as Gods eternal sons BEFORE the foundation of the world. Then 1. Be given it when God knows we will lose it for whatever reason, and 2, have it taken away after we were given it? Did God get fooled somehow into thinking we would get it, then have to take it back because we did not deserve it?

As paul said, are we to be fools thinking we begin our eternal life by the spirit, then my perfect our salvation by the works of the law or being good enough?

If Salvation is by grace, and is freely given to people who do not deserve it. Then it can not be taken away because someone did not deserve to keep it. We did not deserve it, we will never deserve it. and to say otherwise it to place to much faith in self and not enough faith in God.

As for book of life. I believe everyone is written in, untilt hey die, those blotted out are done so because they committed the unpardonable sin, which is to reject the grace of God.They will instead be tried based on there works, and found hopless, and told to depart into everlasting darkness. Many screaming because they thought they were saved, but either outright rejected God, or tries to work it out themselves by trying to earn Gods love instead of freely receiving it. we can't earn Gods love. God loved us when we were his enemy, how much more will he love us when we are his child. a parent does not kick a child out for sin, for wrongdoing, or because they did not live up to their standard, then love them unconditionally. this is how God loves us, we may try to leave God, but he will never leave us or forsake us, try hiding from God. Jonah tried., how well did that work for him?
You don't get it, eg.
You are NOT special, you're not having been singled out for salvation since the foundation of the world, but, as cee clearly says, those who are to go to be with the Father(immediately, in 11/16ths of a second) after they breathe their earthly last had better have not taken that 'grace' gift of salvation for granted.
Woe to them ! And, no, works don't earn no one salvation, it's faith but you best be sure you let the Spirit lead you to all Truth as you read His Word, beginning to end, for He is Alpha and Omega, and, AFTER that little cool part in your 'life line' where God gives you the peace of salvation for you not to die in hell you had better have WORKED :)
 
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Re: Who did Jesus say would be told to "depart" from Him because he didn't know them?

I believe the many who say "Lord, Lord" and "did we not do these things for you" are the religious people that were never saved. Though they claimed the title of Christian they never trusted in the work of Jesus on the cross ALONE to save them, instead they trusted in their own works, their own way.

If you think about it, Lord is a title we give to Jesus, as He is our Master. Children of God call Him Lord. To those who call Him Lord but were never saved He tells them He never knew them. He was never their Lord for if He were then they would've followed Him.

How sad that day will be when they find out they were deceived and it's too late for them to be saved. How sad for God who sent Jesus to save them but they denied His work on the cross alone, instead looking to themselves, never turning to Him.

According to scripture many are on the broad road to destruction. The broad road is the most popular way with those in the world but it's the wrong way. People assume that religions with billions of members equals a sound church. It doesn't, for narrow is the way and few are on it. God calls us out of the world, to not follow what the world does.
 

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Re: Who did Jesus say would be told to "depart" from Him because he didn't know them?

I don't understand what good news is being shared with the lost if salvation is conditional.

I think some are listening to the devil whispering in their ear telling them God does not love them enough to keep them when they make a mistake. Not to mention it shows a strong belief that the devil has the power to snatch us from God's hand. Don't give him this credit!!

Romans 8:33-34: "Who shall bring a charge against God’s elect? It is God who justifies. Who is he who condemns? It is Christ who died, and furthermore is also risen, who is even at the right hand of God, who also makes intercession for us"

John 10:28: "And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand."

Romans 8:38-39: "For I am persuaded that neither death nor life, nor angels nor principalities nor powers, nor things present nor things to come, nor height nor depth, nor any other created thing, shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord"
(several examples given here incase we didn't get it after the first one, lol :))
 
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eternally-gratefull

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I love those passages as well. They say so much about some in Corinth.

I would like to point out, if we take out sin, repentance (stop sin, change your life") from the crucifixion message, there would be no message. All that would be left was the manner he died, and was hung on a cross which would not save anyone.

Why was he crucified? Because of our Sin

What was the point? So his blood would be shed so the WE CAN repent of sin.

If we teach Christ crucified, and yet do not include repentance and changing of life, from following sin, to serving Christ, then we have not preached Christ crucified.

Seeing the messages in the letters to Corinth, it is easy to understand with Paul's many warnings of continuing in sin, that preaching Christ crucified was the bases for the rest. Because that is the ONLY reason why we can repent and be forgiven.
This is the problem you do not understand.

Christ died because we WERE sinners, we ARE sinners, and we WILL CONTINUE to be sinners until the day we die.

Christ died because he loved us, and we had NO hope without him.

Christ died so we CAN REPENT of our status against him, our debt to him, and our inability to save ourselves (a point you still have not repented from)

Those who repent WILL change their life. They WILL sin less, All because of their repentance and trust in him.

Christ did NOT die so we can do what you are demanding of us, and return the the letter of the law, he died so we can be freed from the letter of the law. The law leads us to Christ "I would not know coveting unless the law said, thou shalt not covet) It can not save us, because we will NEVER be able to live up to the law.

Yes, many believe yet have not repentned, and think they are saved, but their life proves they had belief and no faith. But I am not teaching this. They are no better off than those trying to work to earn eternal life, How do we earn a gift? We can't, because the gift then becomes a reward, and not a gift at all.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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You don't get it, eg.
You are NOT special, you're not having been singled out for salvation since the foundation of the world, but, as cee clearly says, those who are to go to be with the Father(immediately, in 11/16ths of a second) after they breathe their earthly last had better have not taken that 'grace' gift of salvation for granted.
Woe to them ! And, no, works don't earn no one salvation, it's faith but you best be sure you let the Spirit lead you to all Truth as you read His Word, beginning to end, for He is Alpha and Omega, and, AFTER that little cool part in your 'life line' where God gives you the peace of salvation for you not to die in hell you had better have WORKED :)
I get it plainly.

Paul says in eph 1 that I was chosen before the foundation of the world, to be holy and blameless. To be predestined as he says also in romans 8 to be justified in him.

So to say I was not chosen before the foundation of the world is to say scripure is in error.
 
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Re: Who did Jesus say would be told to "depart" from Him because he didn't know them?

What an utter foolish debate. The words of Jesus are not a mystery here. Jesus spoke very plain.

Confusion and debate it only wrought by those who reject what He taught.


1. Jesus taught that the way to life is difficult and only a few would go that way.
2. Jesus taught that the vast majority would go a broader easier way and would end up being destroyed.
3. Jesus warned that there would be a multitude of false teachers. Teachers who were deadly wolves but outwardly appear as lambs.
4. One would be able to tell who these wolves are by the fruit that they produce. Their fruit would be evil and rotten for a good tree cannot produce fruit that is evil.
5. Every one of these evil fruit producing trees would ultimately be cut down and burned.
6. Jesus then taught that it is the doers of the Father's will who will enter heaven not simply those who have a profession of His name.
7. Jesus warned that there would be a multitude of people who would profess His name and would profess to have prophecieid, to have cast out demons, to have done many wonderful works and yet to have never had Jesus know them.
8. Jesus then taught that these people who are rejected were workers of iniquity, in other words they had never departed from iniquity, they had never forsaken their iniquity.
9. Right away Jesus then taught that one must actually do what He taught people to do rather than just listen.


Mat 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
Mat 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
Mat 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
Mat 7:16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
Mat 7:17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
Mat 7:18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
Mat 7:19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
Mat 7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Mat 7:24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
Mat 7:25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.
Mat 7:26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:
Mat 7:27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.
Mat 7:28 And it came to pass, when Jesus had ended these sayings, the people were astonished at his doctrine:
Mat 7:29 For he taught them as one having authority, and not as the scribes.



So the question that all professing Christian's ought to ask is have they departed from iniquity or or they still a worker of iniquity?

So the question that all professing Christian's ought to ask themselves is are they a doer of the word or a hearer only?



I say that MOST who profess Christ have NEVER departed from iniquity.

I say that MOST who profess Christ have listened to dangerous wolves who teach them that you simply accept Jesus into your heart and trust in what He did and then you are saved.

They do not teach that you MUST obey the instructions of Jesus, they do not teach that you MUST depart from iniquity.

These wolves teach that salvation is POSITIONAL. These wolves teach that salvation is FORENSIC. These wolves teach that salvation is ABSTRACT from what YOU ACTUALLY DO.

These wolves have crafted a false gospel message which COVERS ongoing rebellion. Thus the fruit they bear are people who remain workers of iniquity. Evil fruit.

Satan has craftily been able to negate the doing aspect of the Gospel and thus rebellious heart of a sinner is NEVER PURGED of that rebellion. Thus the sinner comes to a false assurance that they get saved and are yet still in rebellion to God.

Christ NEVER knew these people. These people NEVER departed from iniquity. These people were NEVER doers of the word.




These deceived people viciously attack anyone who would say that you must DEPART FROM INIQUITY. These deceived people viciously attack anyone would would expose their fake abstract salvation and their fake eternal security in it.

Don't be one of them because these people are the MAJORITY of those who profess Jesus Christ as Lord.

It is only a very small MINORITY who adhere to and preach the truth.



Jas 1:21 Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls.
Jas 1:22 But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.
 
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Re: Who did Jesus say would be told to "depart" from Him because he didn't know them?

What an utter foolish debate. The words of Jesus are not a mystery here. Jesus spoke very plain.

Confusion and debate it only wrought by those who reject what He taught.


1. Jesus taught that the way to life is difficult and only a few would go that way.
2. Jesus taught that the vast majority would go a broader easier way and would end up being destroyed.
3. Jesus warned that there would be a multitude of false teachers. Teachers who were deadly wolves but outwardly appear as lambs.
4. One would be able to tell who these wolves are by the fruit that they produce. Their fruit would be evil and rotten for a good tree cannot produce fruit that is evil.
5. Every one of these evil fruit producing trees would ultimately be cut down and burned.
6. Jesus then taught that it is the doers of the Father's will who will enter heaven not simply those who have a profession of His name.
7. Jesus warned that there would be a multitude of people who would profess His name and would profess to have prophecieid, to have cast out demons, to have done many wonderful works and yet to have never had Jesus know them.
8. Jesus then taught that these people who are rejected were workers of iniquity, in other words they had never departed from iniquity, they had never forsaken their iniquity.
9. Right away Jesus then taught that one must actually do what He taught people to do rather than just listen.


Mat 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
Mat 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
Mat 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
Mat 7:16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
Mat 7:17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
Mat 7:18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
Mat 7:19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
Mat 7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Mat 7:24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
Mat 7:25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.
Mat 7:26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:
Mat 7:27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.
Mat 7:28 And it came to pass, when Jesus had ended these sayings, the people were astonished at his doctrine:
Mat 7:29 For he taught them as one having authority, and not as the scribes.



So the question that all professing Christian's ought to ask is have they departed from iniquity or or they still a worker of iniquity?

So the question that all professing Christian's ought to ask themselves is are they a doer of the word or a hearer only?



I say that MOST who profess Christ have NEVER departed from iniquity.

I say that MOST who profess Christ have listened to dangerous wolves who teach them that you simply accept Jesus into your heart and trust in what He did and then you are saved.

They do not teach that you MUST obey the instructions of Jesus, they do not teach that you MUST depart from iniquity.

These wolves teach that salvation is POSITIONAL. These wolves teach that salvation is FORENSIC. These wolves teach that salvation is ABSTRACT from what YOU ACTUALLY DO.

These wolves have crafted a false gospel message which COVERS ongoing rebellion. Thus the fruit they bear are people who remain workers of iniquity. Evil fruit.

Satan has craftily been able to negate the doing aspect of the Gospel and thus rebellious heart of a sinner is NEVER PURGED of that rebellion. Thus the sinner comes to a false assurance that they get saved and are yet still in rebellion to God.

Christ NEVER knew these people. These people NEVER departed from iniquity. These people were NEVER doers of the word.




These deceived people viciously attack anyone who would say that you must DEPART FROM INIQUITY. These deceived people viciously attack anyone would would expose their fake abstract salvation and their fake eternal security in it.

Don't be one of them because these people are the MAJORITY of those who profess Jesus Christ as Lord.

It is only a very small MINORITY who adhere to and preach the truth.



Jas 1:21 Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls.
Jas 1:22 But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.

Jesus taught the narrow way, you are correct. Where you fail to understand is that 90% of all religions, even those who claim to be the church of God, are trying to get there by earning the right to eternal life by works, being good enough, or not doing anyhting to lose eternal life. Like you are trying to teach!

Very few understand it is by faith in Christ's FINISHED work on the cross which is the narrow gate. and few there are who enter in.
 
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Jesus taught the narrow way, you are correct. Where you fail to understand is that 90% of all religions, even those who claim to be the church of God, are trying to get there by earning the right to eternal life by works, being good enough, or not doing anyhting to lose eternal life. Like you are trying to teach!

Very few understand it is by faith in Christ's FINISHED work on the cross which is the narrow gate. and few there are who enter in.

You completely ignore the actual words I write and simply repeat your DO NOTHING salvation message.


Jesus didn't teach do nothing. Jesus taught that one must do what He said.


Whenever someone points that out you are compelled to bring up your EARNING and BEING GOOD ENOUGH foolishness.

Jesus didn't say EARN or BE GOOD ENOUGH. Jesus said DO WHAT HE SAID.




Jesus finished work was to offer Himself as a propitiation for past sins. The mercy seat is open to all those who will come via repentance and faith. You stand at the door and try to prevent people from entering by teaching this "trust in the provision" nonsense.

You teach abstract salvation. Salvation to you is provisional. Salvation to you is a package. It is fake you and have no understanding of the Gospel. That is why you continually resort to your EARN, BEING GOOD, LOOK AT ME foolishness when people speak of obeying God from the heart.
 
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Re: Who did Jesus say would be told to "depart" from Him because he didn't know them?

You completely ignore the actual words I write and simply repeat your DO NOTHING salvation message.


Jesus didn't teach do nothing. Jesus taught that one must do what He said.
Jesus did not teach do something. He did ALL the work, He said it is finished, He said he came to do wha we could not do.. Your trying to add to the words of Christ, and trying to earn a gift he is offering you, and in turn, rejecting his gift.


Whenever someone points that out you are compelled to bring up your EARNING and BEING GOOD ENOUGH foolishness.

Jesus didn't say EARN or BE GOOD ENOUGH. Jesus said DO WHAT HE SAID.
Yep he did, and when asked what works we could do, he gave us the answer, it is the WORK OF GOD, that you BELIEVE IN THE ONE HE SENT.




Jesus finished work was to offer Himself as a propitiation for past sins. The mercy seat is open to all those who will come via repentance and faith. You stand at the door and try to prevent people from entering by teaching this "trust in the provision" nonsense.

Jesus died 2000 years ago, He claimed through paul he chose us before the foundation of the world, be be holy and blameless before the father, to be justified by his name. This "passed sin" crap is a lie from satan himself. If jesus died 2000 years ago, he died for ALL my sin, or non at all, not just part of them.


You teach abstract salvation. Salvation to you is provisional. Salvation to you is a package. It is fake you and have no understanding of the Gospel. That is why you continually resort to your EARN, BEING GOOD, LOOK AT ME foolishness when people speak of obeying God from the heart.
You teach a works based Gospel, Not based on what Christ did, but what you either do or do not do. You think ytou can be good enough to earn salvation, when the fact is you can be good from now until eternity and still NOT BE GOOD ENOUGH TO EARN SALVATION.
 
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Re: Who did Jesus say would be told to "depart" from Him because he didn't know them?

You completely ignore the actual words I write and simply repeat your DO NOTHING salvation message.


Jesus didn't teach do nothing. Jesus taught that one must do what He said.


Whenever someone points that out you are compelled to bring up your EARNING and BEING GOOD ENOUGH foolishness.

Jesus didn't say EARN or BE GOOD ENOUGH. Jesus said DO WHAT HE SAID.




Jesus finished work was to offer Himself as a propitiation for past sins. The mercy seat is open to all those who will come via repentance and faith. You stand at the door and try to prevent people from entering by teaching this "trust in the provision" nonsense.

You teach abstract salvation. Salvation to you is provisional. Salvation to you is a package. It is fake you and have no understanding of the Gospel. That is why you continually resort to your EARN, BEING GOOD, LOOK AT ME foolishness when people speak of obeying God from the heart.
Im not understanding this propitiation for past sins only...and cant see that helping anyone...what happens
when i sin again?
 
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Some people want to be popular, so they’ll act as if they love the Lord, but in their hearts they are just seeking popularity.
 
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Re: Who did Jesus say would be told to "depart" from Him because he didn't know them?

You know I looked into working for iniquity but I really didn't like the retirement package!!
 
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Re: Who did Jesus say would be told to "depart" from Him because he didn't know them?

this text really makes me think of those who when told they are
wrong in their actions or understanding of things...especially
the area of signs and wonders and such according to the bible
they say....thats fine for you, but im gona follow the leading of the Spirit.