Who do you think the Antichrist is?

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Lifelike

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The Bible says 666 is the number of a man


And the pope is a man, in a position of authority in a political power, the rose up out of the remnants of the roman empire after it had broken into 10, 3 of which were subdued, when the antichrist power rose.
 
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Laodicea

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And the pope is a man, in a position of authority in a political power, the rose up out of the remnants of the roman empire after it had broken into 10, 3 of which were subdued, when the antichrist power rose.
Yes with the 3rd subdued in 538 and 1260 years later in 1798 the Pope was taken prisoner
 
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babyboyblue

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#63
Who do you think the Antichrist is?

And do you think HE is alive today?

Love to hear your thoughts and ideas
Not sure who the Antichrist is but I have a sneaky suspicion he is kind, and gentle, and loving, and caring, and will heal the sick, feed the hungry, clothed the naked and preach in the churches. The exact opposite of what people are looking for. The bible tells us the son of perdition is in the church showing the world he is God. Not a god, but thee God of the bible! Yes that same loving, patient, merciful, saving God we've all come to love and adore, the Antichrist sets out to show that he is this (type of) God. To fool the world. Fortunately Gods elect is too well connected to the true God. While the Antichrist fools the world, God's elect will be secured. There's the promise if it were possible the antichrist would deceive even the very elect. But it's not possible if you're joined together with God. :D
 
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Lifelike

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Yes with the 3rd subdued in 538 and 1260 years later in 1798 the Pope was taken prisoner
A seeming fatal blow to that power, until it was resurrected as was prophesied.
 
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midwestbob

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The argument is not that catholicism is antichrist due to doctrinal error, Im not sure if it goes into it in the video I supplied but the preceeding ones on Freemasonary show that Catholicism is one of the many fronts of Freemasonary, and in the highest levels of Freemasonary they believe that Lucifer is God, and that Jesus and the Father are evil. The vidoes refer only to direct quotes from High Freemasonary and Catholic sources, about what they believe. It is very detailed, and thorougly presented. Every denomination has some error in theoogy, that is to be expected, but satan worship and world domination, and antichrist belief systems, that can easily be attributed Cathoicism is the proof.
Once again which of the following verses are the Catholics guilty of transgressing? If you are going to call them antichrists shouldn’t they at least match what Scripture says?

1Jn 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
1Jn 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1Jn 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
2Jn 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.


Changing the times is not talking about time as you are refering, its talking about the times and seasons, that God has put in place, which effect His prophetic time table and the fact that the catholic church adjusted the day of worship or rest is arrogance to the highest degree. God says for 6 days you work and on the 7th (sat) u refrain from work, this day is hallowed, and extremely important and special to me. Then the Catholic church changes the day to Sun, the first day of the week. Sabbath observance was not a command to just Israel, it was to all of mankind at the very beginning, before Israel was ever born.
Once again changing the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday did not change time nor does it change the seasons. The Catholics cannot make changes that will affect God’s prophetic timetable. God’s will, will be done regardless of anyone’s attempts to change the time table.

The point made in the video is that the 10 commandments which were WRITTEN IN STONE BY THE FINGER OF GOD were altered by the catholic church, removing the law to observe the sabbath and keep it holy.
So please show me which one of the only 4 verses in Scripture (quoted above) that uses the term antichrist tell us this is done by antichrists? Don’t get me wrong I don’t agree with much of what Catholicism teaches, but that doesn’t mean they fit the Scriptural definition of antichrists. Which one of the four verses that use the term antichrist or antichrists are the Catholics guilty of transgressing? They may meet the definition of what some man says antichrist is, but they do not meet the Scriptural definition.

To take the place of Jesus Christ, is not falling short. It is Blaspemy, and it is utter rebellion towards God. The Pope in their own words is in the place of Jesus on this earth, and higher than Him, and higher than Gods word. They believe that the Pope has the right and authority to change and overrule the word.
As for as labeling them antichrists they still do not meet the Scriptural definitions. Like it or not Catholics DO believe and teach Jesus is come in the flesh. They DO believe and teach Jesus IS THE Christ. They do believe in the Father and the Son. All of which are the only things Scripture tells us the antichrists do not do! So they don’t do what Scripture says antichrists do yet you want me to buy a man made explanation, saying they are antichrist. Sorry no thanks!


The Total Onslaught series by Walter Veith, is the most researched and well presented series on end times that I have every seen. And I believe that if watched from start to finish, (37 Sessions) or at least from the start, through to this video ive posted, you might have a different perspective.
You are entitled to your opinion. In my opinion it is nothing more then a man made reason that vilifies Catholicism while ignoring what Scripture tells us antichrists do. If one is going to claim some one is antichrist, shouldn’t the accused at least do what Scripture tells us antichrist do? Instead of using mans definitions?
 
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midwestbob

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#66
The Bible says 666 is the number of a man
There is always a way to make the numbers fit a name. And yet it isn’t the Catholics who claim the number is it? But some do claim the number (<link)


Yes with the 3rd subdued in 538 and 1260 years later in 1798 the Pope was taken prisoner
Which doesn’t prove anything. The events that occur during the 1260 day/years of Rev11 were not fulfilled between those years. Remember this is figurative language that describes literal events that take place here on earth.
When did the bodies of the two witnesses lie in the streets of Jerusalem for 3 ½ days after being killed?
When did the people rejoice over them, and make merry, and send gifts one to another?
After all if you believe it was fulfilled between those years you should be able to show how and when it was fulfilled.
 
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Laodicea

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There is always a way to make the numbers fit a name. And yet it isn’t the Catholics who claim the number is it? But some do claim the number (<link)



Which doesn’t prove anything. The events that occur during the 1260 day/years of Rev11 were not fulfilled between those years. Remember this is figurative language that describes literal events that take place here on earth.
When did the bodies of the two witnesses lie in the streets of Jerusalem for 3 ½ days after being killed?
When did the people rejoice over them, and make merry, and send gifts one to another?
After all if you believe it was fulfilled between those years you should be able to show how and when it was fulfilled.
The events of Rev 11 happen after the 42 months
Revelation 11:3
(3) And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
Revelation 11:7
(7) And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.


 
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midwestbob

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The events of Rev 11 happen after the 42 months
Revelation 11:3
(3) And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
Revelation 11:7
(7) And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

So then what is it you are referring to as being fulfilled between 538 and 1798? (the 42 months or the 1260 days?)
 
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Laodicea

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So then what is it you are referring to as being fulfilled between 538 and 1798? (the 42 months or the 1260 days?)
So do you agree that the events of Rev 11 happen after the 42 months?
 
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midwestbob

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So do you agree that the events of Rev 11 happen after the 42 months?

LOL that doesn't answer my question we were discussing your view not mine. Just trying to get a handle on why you keep placing significance on the 1260 years between 538 and 1798. In your view are they the 1260 days or the 42 months? And how exactly does it fulfill whichever you say it fulfills?