Who is Babylon the Great Harlot?

PlainWord · Feb 23, 2015

I think you are not seeing the grand scheme. Almost the entire book of Revelation is about Islam, it's rise, it's persecution of God's Chosen. Islam is Satan's Mother of all False Religions. Islam is the Harlot, the MOTHER of all False religions. Yes, there are plenty of other false religions but Islam is the MOTHER of them all. No other pagan religion has even close to the number of those following ISLAM. ISLAM is called BABYLON because the manner of worship is identical to the manner the original Babylonians worshiped. They fall down and worship an image after being called to worship by the same type of music.

The Children of Israel have been dealing with the "Arab Problem" since they refused to deal with it back when they were told to kill all in the Land they were given shortly after coming to the Promised Land. These same people have enslaved the Jews from Assyria to Babylon to Medo-Persia and will again.

ISLAM will be the tool Satan uses to slaughter the Christian world during the period of his Great Tribulation. The call to slaughter all those who will not follow the ISIS beast has already gone out. Nothing will stop ISIS (until Christ returns) and the world will be amazed.

[SUP]4 [/SUP]So they worshiped the dragon who gave authority to the beast; and they worshiped the beast, saying, “Who is like the beast? Who is able to make war with him?”

The answer to the above question is NOBODY but Christ. ISIS is just getting started. None of the world's powers will stop it, especially with this US president in charge. Nothing will stop Russia either.

ISLAM is Satan worship in the sense that it is Satan who has devised this religion and has handed it down from one evil beast kingdom to the next. The same symbols and manner of worship have not changed since at least Egypt and the days of Moses. No other religion has roots going back as far as ISLAM and I don't mean back only to Muhammad and the 600s AD. I mean all the way back to at least Egypt.

The 4th Seal of Revelation 6 describes Radical Islam as espoused by ISIS. ISIS is attempting to totally transform ISLAM into a killing machine of those who will not follow them.

[SUP]7 [/SUP]When He opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth living creature saying, “Come and see.” [SUP]8 [/SUP]So I looked, and behold, a (CHLOROS) GREEN horse. And the name of him who sat on it was Death, and Hades followed with him. And power was given to them over a fourth of the earth, to kill with sword, with hunger, with death, and by the beasts of the earth.

[TABLE]
[TR]
[TH="colspan: 5"]Size of Major Religious Groups, 2012[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Religion[/TD]
[TD="align: right"][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD="align: right"]Percent[/TD]
[TD="align: right"][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="colspan: 2"]Christianity[/TD]
[TD]
[/TD]
[TD="colspan: 2, align: right"]31.5%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="colspan: 2"]Muslim[/TD]
[TD]
[/TD]
[TD="colspan: 2, align: right"]23.2%
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="colspan: 2"]Unaffiliated[/TD]
[TD]
[/TD]
[TD="colspan: 2, align: right"]16.3%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="colspan: 2"]Hindu[/TD]
[TD]
[/TD]
[TD="colspan: 2, align: right"]15.0%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="colspan: 2"]Buddhist *[/TD]
[TD]
[/TD]
[TD="colspan: 2, align: right"]7.1%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="colspan: 2"]Folk[/TD]
[TD]
[/TD]
[TD="colspan: 2, align: right"]5.9%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="colspan: 2"]Other[/TD]
[TD]
[/TD]
[TD="colspan: 2, align: right"]0.8%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="colspan: 2"]Jewish[/TD]
[TD]
[/TD]
[TD="colspan: 2, align: right"]0.2%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="colspan: 5"]Pew Research Center, 2012[SUP][2][/SUP][/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

ISLAM will grow to 25% soon and when they do, watch out!!

The numbers don't lie. Rev 6:7-8 tell us a BEAST nations will kill in huge numbers at the 4th seal. The 5th seal tells us they are not done. Rev 7 shows us a Great Multitude of dead Christians in heaven who have been slaughtered during Satan's Great Tribulation. So here are the numbers of the earth's major religions again expressed a little differently. I hope you can see it because the tables sometimes get lost when cutting and pasting.

[TABLE="width: 333"]
[TR]
[TD="colspan: 2"]Pre Satan's Great Tribulation
[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Faith
[/TD]
[TD]Number[/TD]
[TD]% of World
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Christianity[/TD]
[TD] 2,200,000,000[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]30.0%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]ISLAM[/TD]
[TD] 1,800,000,000[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]24.5%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Secular/Nonreligious[/TD]
[TD] 1,100,000,000[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]15.0%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Hinduism[/TD]
[TD] 1,000,000,000[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]13.6%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Chinese traditional[/TD]
[TD] 394,000,000[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]5.4%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Buddhism[/TD]
[TD] 376,000,000[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]5.1%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Ethnic religions[/TD]
[TD] 300,000,000[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]4.1%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]African Traditional[/TD]
[TD] 100,000,000[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1.4%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Sikhism[/TD]
[TD] 23,000,000[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.3%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Juche[/TD]
[TD] 19,000,000[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.3%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Spiritism[/TD]
[TD] 15,000,000[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.2%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Judaism[/TD]
[TD] 14,000,000[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.2%
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD] 7,341,000,000
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]100.0%[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

Now look at the percentages change once the Christian world is all be wiped out.

[TABLE="width: 333"]
[TR]
[TD="colspan: 2"]Post Satan's Great Tribulation
[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Faith
[/TD]
[TD]Number[/TD]
[TD]% of World[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Christianity[/TD]
[TD] 144,000[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.0%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]ISLAM[/TD]
[TD] 1,800,000,000[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]35.1%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Secular/Nonreligious[/TD]
[TD] 1,100,000,000[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]21.4%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Hinduism[/TD]
[TD] 1,000,000,000[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]19.5%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Chinese traditional[/TD]
[TD] 394,000,000[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]7.7%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Buddhism[/TD]
[TD] 376,000,000[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]7.3%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Ethnic religions[/TD]
[TD] 300,000,000[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]5.8%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]African Traditional[/TD]
[TD] 100,000,000[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1.9%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Sikhism[/TD]
[TD] 23,000,000[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.4%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Juche[/TD]
[TD] 19,000,000[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.4%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Spiritism[/TD]
[TD] 15,000,000[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.3%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Judaism[/TD]
[TD] 4,666,620[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.1%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD] 5,131,810,620
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]100.0%[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

Accounting for some of the ISLAMIC population being killed in the process of them killing almost all the Christians, they will be left at 1/3 of the world's population by the time Christ returns. Do we see anywhere in Revelation where the Wrath of the Lamb kills the ISLAMIC world? We sure do.

[SUP]15 [/SUP]And the kings of the earth, the great men, the rich men, the commanders, the mighty men, every slave and every free man, hid themselves in the caves and in the rocks of the mountains, [SUP]16 [/SUP]and said to the mountains and rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of Him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! [SUP]17 [/SUP]For the great day of His wrath has come, and who is able to stand?”

[SUP]15 [/SUP]So the four angels, who had been prepared for the hour and day and month and year, were released to kill a third of mankind. [SUP]16 [/SUP]Now the number of the army of the horsemen was two hundred million; I heard the number of them. [SUP]17 [/SUP]And thus I saw the horses in the vision: those who sat on them had breastplates of fiery red, hyacinth blue, and sulfur yellow; and the heads of the horses were like the heads of lions; and out of their mouths came fire, smoke, and brimstone. [SUP]18 [/SUP]By these three plagues a third of mankind was killed—by the fire and the smoke and the brimstone which came out of their mouths. [SUP]19 [/SUP]For their power is in their mouth and in their tails; for their tails are like serpents, having heads; and with them they do harm. [SUP]20 [/SUP]But the rest of mankind, who were not killed by these plagues, did not repent of the works of their hands, that they should not worship demons...

See above the wicked were worshiping demons, Satan's demons who they worked with and served to kill the Christian world.

kennethcadwell · Feb 23, 2015

PlainWord said:

The first beast can not be the false prophet as you have it back words, and we must use scripture to interpret scripture;

Man of sin, a.k.a. antichrist, a.k.a. prince of this world

[h=1]2 Thessalonians 2:3-4[/h]3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition,4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.

[h=1]Revelation 13:1-8[/h]13 Then I stood on the sand of the sea. And I saw a beast rising up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and on his horns ten crowns, and on his heads a blasphemous name. 2 Now the beast which I saw was like a leopard, his feet were like the feet of a bear, and his mouth like the mouth of a lion. The dragon gave him his power, his throne, and great authority. 3 And I saw one of his heads as if it had been mortally wounded, and his deadly wound was healed. And all the world marveled and followed the beast. 4 So they worshiped the dragon who gave authority to the beast; and they worshiped the beast, saying, “Who is like the beast? Who is able to make war with him?”
5 And he was given a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies, and he was given authority to continue for forty-two months. 6 Then he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme His name, His tabernacle, and those who dwell in heaven. 7 It was granted to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them. And authority was given him over every tribe, tongue, and nation. 8 All who dwell on the earth will worship him, whose names have not been written in the Book of Life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
________________________________________________________________________
NOTICE THE SIMILARITIES OF THE FIRST BEAST AND MAN OF SIN IN 2 THESSALONIANS
________________________________________________________________________

False Prophet

Revelation 13:11-14

11 Then I saw another beast scoming up out of the earth, and he had two horns like a lamb and spoke like a dragon. 12 And he exercises all the authority of the first beast in his presence, and causes the earth and those who dwell in it to worship the first beast, twhose deadly wound was healed. 13 uHe performs great signs, vso that he even makes fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men. 14 wAnd he deceives 6those who dwell on the earth—xby those signs which he was granted to do in the sight of the beast, telling those who dwell on the earth to make an image to the beast who was wounded by the sword yand lived.

Revelation 19:20

And the beast was seized, and with him the false prophet who performed the signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who had received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image; these two were thrown alive into the lake of fire which burns with brimstone.

kennethcadwell · Feb 23, 2015

Jackson123 said:

You and Plainword are using circular thinking to interject what is not there.
Read post #1142 where I showed clearly by scripture that the first beast is the man of sin, and the second beast is the false prophet. Two separate individuals that are both defeated and cast into the lake of fire by our Lord when He returns.

Jackson123 · Feb 23, 2015

kennethcadwell said:

how you explain rev 13:5

And he was given a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies, and he was given authority to continue[a]for forty-two months

Reborn · Feb 23, 2015

Sophia said:

This is just.....wow?

What a bold, uneducated and an overall sad statement.

History--1400 years worth?

I'm sure the millions who have died at the hands of such a vile religion,... doesn't see Islam as a "minimal nuisance"?

BTW, Aren't teachers suppose to do their homework before they get in front of a class?
It usually helps?

john832 · Feb 23, 2015

Sophia said:

Reborn said:

You have no idea as to what is coming. Islam will be relegated to insignificance when the Beast power reigns. In fact, there is coming a battle when the Beast power and those of the North and East come together to battle, Christ returns and they turn against Him. When this occurs, the world will see...

Rev 14:20 And the winepress was trodden without the city, and blood came out of the winepress, even unto the horse bridles, by the space of a thousand and six hundred furlongs.

Blood will flow bridle deep on a horse about two hundred miles.

Reborn · Feb 23, 2015

john832 said:

Apparently you do not either?

I have no problems with opinions. Cool.
Sophia is entitled to hers, just as we all are.
My problem is with those who teach, never realizing that we will all be held accountable for the doctrine we sling.
There are hundreds of people seeking answers here.......it can be dangerous to not pay attention to that.
That, and those who downplay Islam, ISIL, ISIS .....or whatever goofy name they go by.

When it comes to Islam, just turn on the news.....they are no "minor nuisance".
Anyone who believes this, isn't doing their homework.....or, is just , well, ....cold.

I do not teach.......just read any of my posts.
Revelation is reveled to individuals, you can not teach opinions AS fact.

.................As for Revelation?
A huge bulk/all/any of the nouns are symbolic. ( the word God is always God though)
Sorry PlainWord.....or any literal "42 month-ers"......but a few quick questions?

If the adjacent scripture/sentences/verses surrounding Revelation 13..... of things like sand of the sea, leopards, beasts, dragons are symbolic.....most nouns?........ Why wouldn't the word "days" be too?

Do we have the right to switch it up in mid sentence, verse...or even overall book?

Words or Verbs like "blasphemy" or "worshipped" are obviously literal.....their "definition" are exactly what the word means.........no need to make those words have a symbolic meaning, especially since these actions of worship---are pertain to a book about worship, following, and overall guidance.

"Days" though....?

2000 years since the cross......do people really think an entire book as important as Revelation, is about events of the last decade or so, here on earth?

Does this make ANY sense??
Skipping over huge empires, religions, events.... of the past centuries and/or present?
3 1/2 years?........what took others religions or "prophets" centuries to accomplish???!!!

I'm having a hard time following this line of reasoning?

MarcR · Feb 23, 2015

john832 said:

IMO Anyone who would put himself in place of Christ does not know Christ

Sophia · Feb 23, 2015

Reborn said:

The word was COMPARED.
Compared to billions dieing, a few thousand look minimal.
Obviously I said I was deeply affected by it.
Read the post before responding and making a fool of yourself.

Islam has killed many millions over the centuries,
but that was over many centuries,
and the end will do a hundred times more violence, and is merely 7 years.
There is no comparison.

Reborn · Feb 23, 2015

Sophia said:

I know your stance. It is a bit foolish.
7 years?
Come on?...seriously?......no matter what you posted Sophia, your one statement is plenty
--- Islam is NOT a "minimal nuisance" they are "it". Put a fork in it. It is happening and will be it.

When people get past the fact that WE, AND MOST OF THE WORLD, WILL NOT BE APART OF THE MAJOR EVENTS OF THE "END TIMES"......and NOTHING will surpass what Muhammed/ his followers, has already done (and is doing)

...they can maybe sleep a little better?
Unless you plan to enlist, there is nothing we/you/I can do about it.
Except spread the Gospel, and stop worrying about what Revelation is trying to say.

Don't worry Sis, you will wake up to your iPhone, iPad, Netflix, CC debating, Latte's, cozy couch... until the Lord comes back.

I don't teach.........but I can assure you this.

Sophia · Feb 23, 2015

Reborn said:

I am a disciple, expressing what I have learned. When I hear things said that don't line up with the Book, I say so.
I don't see the "world" of the Bible excluding the world outside of the ancient empires of the east.
Islam is a despicable harlotry, but it is no worse than the harlotry of the RCC, or the collective Orthodox churches of the east.
Distorting the Word of God to create a new religion is spiritual prostitution.
Where did these distortions begin, and where will they end?
They started in a physical Temple, and will end when Christ Returns to make manifest the spiritual Temple.
Where is the focus of the prophecies?
Jerusalem, divided between the one below and the one above. The distorted and the pure.

The Apocalypse written by John is both "idealist"(occurring throughout the centuries, allegorical) and "futurist"(Being made manifest during the great deception, great tribulation, and Day of the Lord.
Many of the other Biblical prophecies are "preterist"(previously fulfilled), and some are partially fulfilled, some awaiting fulfillment, and some require a second fulfillment(one physical and one spiritual fulfillment).

To think that the great enemy of Christ is limited to Islam is very dangerously oblivious to the vast apostasy and harlotry throughout the world. Christ will come to restore more than just the Middle East.

Jackson123 · Feb 23, 2015

[video=youtube_share;W1zGJApfbDc]http://youtu.be/W1zGJApfbDc[/video]

Reborn · Feb 23, 2015

Nothing in the history of all religions-- even compares to Islam/Muhammed/Quran, ....nor ever will,.... sorry.

(I was going to post this before I saw your note Sophia.)
To squash all 7 year thoughts.
The day-year principle.
1260 days = 1260 years.
Which, I'm sure you've heard of?
Anytime a "day" is mentioned ESPECIALLY in Revelation, it is plain as day, it is not a literal "day".
We are not allowed to switch up definitions for time, in the middle of Revelation.

Revelation 18:8
Therefore her plagues will come in one day—death and mourning and famine. And she will be utterly burned with fire, for strong is the Lord God who judges her.

You can not have famine in "one day"
This definition of "time" (applying to prophecy) goes back to the OT

ZECHARIAH 14 1-8

Behold, the day of the Lord is coming,
And your spoil will be divided in your midst.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]For I will gather all the nations to battle against Jerusalem;
The city shall be taken,
The houses rifled,
And the women ravished.
Half of the city shall go into captivity,
But the remnant of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

[SUP]3 [/SUP]Then the Lord will go forth
And fight against those nations,
As He fights in the day of battle.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]And in that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives,
Which faces Jerusalem on the east.
And the Mount of Olives shall be split in two,
From east to west,
Making a very large valley;
Half of the mountain shall move toward the north
And half of it toward the south.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]Then you shall flee through My mountain valley,
For the mountain valley shall reach to Azal.
Yes, you shall flee
As you fled from the earthquake
In the days of Uzziah king of Judah.

Thus the Lord my God will come,
And all the saints with You.[SUP][a][/SUP]

[SUP]6 [/SUP]It shall come to pass in that day
That there will be no light;
The lights will diminish.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]It shall be one day
Which is known to the Lord—
Neither day nor night.
But at evening time it shall happen
That it will be light.

[SUP]8 [/SUP]And in that day it shall be
That living waters shall flow from Jerusalem,
Half of them toward the eastern sea
And half of them toward the western sea;
In both summer and winter it shall occur.

So...... is that two different days stated above...winter and summer? But, it says "that day", like 5 times?
Day = a year
42 months.....is not literal months...if so we are going to be around a long time yet (d/y principle)?
So it must be something that has happened...or is happening...by now?

Why I believe in the day-year principle.
God is patient....... He does not need to rush anything.
2000 years since Jesus...and He needs to get this done in a day???
The "day" of the Lord...... is the "year" of the Lord, as you can plainly see above.
I could keep going with examples, but you get it.
Sorry, if this doesn't make sense, then I have no idea how any group can debate prophecy, when we can't even agree on definition for "time" in Revelation.
It's the most important part to it all?.......almost EVERYTHING about prophecy comes down to time.

Jackson123 · Feb 23, 2015

[video=youtube_share;HK5ZAapfylQ]http://youtu.be/HK5ZAapfylQ[/video]

Jackson123 · Feb 23, 2015

Reborn said:

Nothing in the history of all religions-- even compares to Islam/Muhammed/Quran, ....nor ever will,.... sorry.
(I was going to post this before I saw your note.)
To squash all 7 year thoughts.
The day-year principle.
1260 days = 1260 years.
Which, I'm sure you've heard of?
Anytime a "day" is mentioned ESPECIALLY in Revelation, it is plain as day, it is not a literal "day".
We are not allowed to switch up definitions for time, in the middle of Revelation.

Revelation 18:8
Therefore her plagues will come in one day—death and mourning and famine. And she will be utterly burned with fire, for strong is the Lord God who judges her.

You can not have famine in "one day"
This definition of "time" (applying to prophecy) goes back to the OT

ZECHARIAH 14 1-8

Behold, the day of the Lord is coming,
And your spoil will be divided in your midst.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]For I will gather all the nations to battle against Jerusalem;
The city shall be taken,
The houses rifled,
And the women ravished.
Half of the city shall go into captivity,
But the remnant of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

[SUP]3 [/SUP]Then the Lord will go forth
And fight against those nations,
As He fights in the day of battle.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]And in that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives,
Which faces Jerusalem on the east.
And the Mount of Olives shall be split in two,
From east to west,
Making a very large valley;
Half of the mountain shall move toward the north
And half of it toward the south.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]Then you shall flee through My mountain valley,
For the mountain valley shall reach to Azal.
Yes, you shall flee
As you fled from the earthquake
In the days of Uzziah king of Judah.

Thus the Lord my God will come,
And all the saints with You.[SUP][a][/SUP]

[SUP]6 [/SUP]It shall come to pass in that day
That there will be no light;
The lights will diminish.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]It shall be one day
Which is known to the Lord—
Neither day nor night.
But at evening time it shall happen
That it will be light.

[SUP]8 [/SUP]And in that day it shall be
That living waters shall flow from Jerusalem,
Half of them toward the eastern sea
And half of them toward the western sea;
In both summer and winter it shall occur.

So...... is that two different days stated above...winter and summer? But, it says "that day", like 5 times?
Day = a year
42 months.....is not literal months...if so we are going to be around a long time yet (d/y principle)?
So it must be something that has happened...or is happening?

Why I believe in the day-year principle.
God is patient....... He does not need to rush anything.
2000 years since Jesus...and He needs to get this done in a day???
The "day" of the Lord...... is the "year" of the Lord, as you can plainly see above.
I could keep going with examples, but you get it.
Sorry, if this doesn't make sense, then I have no idea how any group can debate prophecy, when we can't even agree on definition for "time" in Revelation.
It's the most important part to it all?.......almost EVERYTHING about prophecy comes down to time.

ISIS is just a tool from globalist. Like Hitler is only a puppet, the real player is Jesuit.

PlainWord · Feb 24, 2015

kennethcadwell said:

The first beast can not be the false prophet as you have it back words, and we must use scripture to interpret scripture;

Man of sin, a.k.a. antichrist, a.k.a. prince of this world

2 Thessalonians 2:3-4

3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition,4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.

Revelation 13:1-8

13 Then I stood on the sand of the sea. And I saw a beast rising up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and on his horns ten crowns, and on his heads a blasphemous name. 2 Now the beast which I saw was like a leopard, his feet were like the feet of a bear, and his mouth like the mouth of a lion. The dragon gave him his power, his throne, and great authority. 3 And I saw one of his heads as if it had been mortally wounded, and his deadly wound was healed. And all the world marveled and followed the beast. 4 So they worshiped the dragon who gave authority to the beast; and they worshiped the beast, saying, “Who is like the beast? Who is able to make war with him?”
5 And he was given a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies, and he was given authority to continue for forty-two months. 6 Then he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme His name, His tabernacle, and those who dwell in heaven. 7 It was granted to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them. And authority was given him over every tribe, tongue, and nation. 8 All who dwell on the earth will worship him, whose names have not been written in the Book of Life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
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NOTICE THE SIMILARITIES OF THE FIRST BEAST AND MAN OF SIN IN 2 THESSALONIANS
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False Prophet

Revelation 13:11-14

11 Then I saw another beast scoming up out of the earth, and he had two horns like a lamb and spoke like a dragon. 12 And he exercises all the authority of the first beast in his presence, and causes the earth and those who dwell in it to worship the first beast, twhose deadly wound was healed. 13 uHe performs great signs, vso that he even makes fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men. 14 wAnd he deceives 6those who dwell on the earth—xby those signs which he was granted to do in the sight of the beast, telling those who dwell on the earth to make an image to the beast who was wounded by the sword yand lived.

Revelation 19:20

And the beast was seized, and with him the false prophet who performed the signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who had received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image; these two were thrown alive into the lake of fire which burns with brimstone.

I think you make a pretty compelling case, Kenneth. The False Prophet does appear to follow the Man of Sin. The Man of Sin is the King of the North and this King leads the Northern Radical Islamic force. And this King is Satan come as a Man, hence, Man of Sin.

kennethcadwell · Feb 24, 2015

Jackson123 said:

The 42 months that is mentioned here in Revelation 13:5 is the final 3 1/2 years of the tribulation period known as the Great Tribulation.

We know this by the following verses that shows what the first beast (man of sin) does.
Starting with verse 6;

Revelation 13:6
And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

This is the man of sin when he stands in the temple (holy of holies) and claims to be God. We know that this marks the start of the final 3 1/2 years or Great Tribulation. This is the A.O.D. that the Lord refers to that was spoken by Daniel in verse 9:27;

Daniel 9:27
"And he will make a firm covenant with the many for one week,

(One prophetic week is 7 years)

but in the middle of the week he will put a stop to sacrifice and grain offering; and on the wing of abominations will come one who makes desolate, even until a complete destruction, one that is decreed, is poured out on the one who makes desolate."

In the middle of the week, or after the first 3 1/2 years he will put an end to that covenant (treaty) he makes with them and stands in the temple claiming to be God and puts and end to the sacrifices that started up again do to the rebuilding of the temple. This is when he starts persecuting and killing Jews and Christians, which is why the Lord says those who are in Judea to flea to the mountains because it will be the first place attacked by the man of sin.
Notice the verse 7 in Revelation 13; It was granted to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them, and authority was given to him over every tribe, tongue, and nation.

Only after the A.O.D. that happens half way through the 7 year period was he given authority over all the nations around the world, and not before, so the 42 months he was given authority from verse 5 is speaking of the final 3 1/2 years or Great Tribulation.

Reborn · Feb 24, 2015

kennethcadwell said:

........Why not.

So...the definition of "time" does jump around at our convenience throughout Revelation? (whatever it takes to make it fit?)
They/we will watch Babylon fall in just an "hour"? .....AAAAAALL those things in just 60 minutes?
Famine (which takes weeks to even start) hits them in "one day"?
Mourning.... in just 24 hours?
"3 1/2" days (a long weekend) for the two witnesses, is enough time and worthy to be mentioned in Revelation?
2000 years since the cross, and it aaaaaaall goes down in.............. 7 .....little......years?
Wow, the NT (2000? or so years) is 1/3 of the size of the OT (4000 yrs of history) and the ENTIRE point of prophecy is just about 7 years?

So...... from literal to figurative, literal to figurative? (mix up at any time, type prophecy?)

That makes so much sense.

If you have your timetables screwed up, why do you keep teaching?

You have a lot of loopholes in your theory/thoughts Kenneth.
You said so yourself, that you were told not to teach prophecy by God.....maybe for a reason?
Yet, you went against His will? That's bad brother, you have to admit?

You are teaching "Big Budget Summer Hollywood Movie" prophecy.
His ways, are not our ways.

"The Great Tribulation" happened over hundreds and hundreds of years, Ken.
Millions upon millions dead, wars have been fought, empires rose and came tumbling down.
Muhammed put upon a pedestal, Quran--to Bible type levels of followers, in the Middle East, OVER a period of centuries!!!

It seems no matter HOW MUCH logic (especially using the Bible to interpret the Bible)
....is thrown at you........
...you just do not get it???!!!

You just want to be right.
What is Biblically right though, seems to come second or maybe even third to this?

Jackson123 · Feb 24, 2015

kennethcadwell said:

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[SUP]1[/SUP] And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
[SUP]2[/SUP] And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.
[SUP]3[/SUP] And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.
[SUP]4[/SUP] And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
[SUP]5[/SUP] And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

I believe up to verse 5 explain the first beast

Look like it is not only one person. it consist of 10 president/10 horn. And the Antichrist is one person. I don't know what 7 head mean, may be 7 major country/G7 or else.

up to verse 5 second beast not show up yet. It doesn't mean not exist yet. I believe is already exist but not openly in power. Pope up to now is has a great power, like you said that every nation have to consult to him, but I believe more than that, he secretly force every almost every nation to do what he want. The presidents is only puppet like Hitler.

I post a youtube in the past that the reason NATO kill Gadafi, because he refused to follow the globalist money system.

Globalist lead by Vatican.

this article bellow is one of the indication how Vatican for one world government by Antichrist.

PoliticsMore: Pope Benedict XVI Vatican Financial Crisis World Government
[h=1]WHOOPS! Vatican Lets Slip Plans For One World Government[/h]

MICHAEL BRENDAN DOUGHERTY

OCT. 24, 2011, 3:00 PM
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In a widely-expected note on the financial crisis and economic justice, Vatican officials accidently call for the establishment of a One World Global "Authority" to regulate financial markets and national governments.
After gently noting that such a project is "a complex and delicate process," the document begins to capitalize the word, "Authority" in the most unsettling, conspiracy-launching way possible:
A supranational Authority of this kind should have a realistic structure and be set up gradually. It should be favourable to the existence of efficient and effective monetary and financial systems; that is, free and stable markets overseen by a suitable legal framework, well-functioning in support of sustainable development and social progress of all, and inspired by the values of charity and truth. It is a matter of an Authority with a global reach that cannot be imposed by force, coercion or violence, but should be the outcome of a free and shared agreement and a reflection of the permanent and historic needs of the world common good.
The document was issued by the Pontifical Council for Justice and Peace, an obscure office in the Vatican that usually satisfies itself with issuing vague statements on social issues.
The text is a series of verbose and intensely boring ruminations on everything from credit instruments to technology, but here are some of the highlights for conspiracy theorists.

Read more: WHOOPS! Vatican Lets Slip Plans For One World Government - Business Insider

Jackson123 · Feb 24, 2015

[SUP]1[/SUP] And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

I forget to comment on this verse.

This what make me belive first beast is not one person. Ten crowns

Crown is on the head of kings.

So I believe ten crown is ten kings, or presidents.

It mean first beast consist of 10 country leader. why 7 head but 10 horn? May be 7 major nation and 3 small nation.

Who is Babylon the Great Harlot?

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