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All that agree with the NT.
The canon is not perfect because men say it is,
men say the canon is perfect because the Holy Spirit gives men to recognize it as God's word
by its evidentiary power and authority,
and the first rule of which it does not contradict itself.
The apocrypha is neither.
The canon is not perfect because men say it is,
men say the canon is perfect because the Holy Spirit gives men to recognize it as God's word
by its evidentiary power and authority,
and the first rule of which it does not contradict itself.
The apocrypha is neither.
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Because you will never be able to speak or write Hebrew or Greek like those folks who did back in the day. In other words, I have no doubt in my mind that Moses and Paul would correct many so called scholars and believers who are arrogant to think they are experts in a dead language. God preserved His Word for the world today so they can understand. God does not speak gibberish to people. God is not the author of confusion. Each language used for the Bible is for it's own time.
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[h=1]Mark 12:30-31New International Version (NIV)[/h] [SUP]30 [/SUP]Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’[SUP][a][/SUP] [SUP]31 [/SUP]The second is this: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[SUP][b][/SUP] There is no commandment greater than these.”
the whole of god's laws rest on these 2 commandments, to do them completes the law whatever translation you may have,,
the whole of god's laws rest on these 2 commandments, to do them completes the law whatever translation you may have,,
J
Further explaining,
Romans 13:8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law. For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.
This is actually a better statement of the law than a list of dos and don'ts, as it encompasses an entire way of living that even makes more things sin, such as unrighteous anger, lust, all things not of the Holy Spirit, to say Christianity freewheeling disregard for morality and permissive of fleshly immorality a huge lie,
Galatians 5:16-23 This I say then, walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law. Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things SHALL NOT INHERIT THE KINGDOM OF GOD. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
Romans 13:8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law. For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.
This is actually a better statement of the law than a list of dos and don'ts, as it encompasses an entire way of living that even makes more things sin, such as unrighteous anger, lust, all things not of the Holy Spirit, to say Christianity freewheeling disregard for morality and permissive of fleshly immorality a huge lie,
Galatians 5:16-23 This I say then, walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law. Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things SHALL NOT INHERIT THE KINGDOM OF GOD. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
It's highly unlikely he quoted from it although he through the inspiration of the Holy Spirit quotes Enoch himself..
Did Jude quote from the book of Enoch
The Book of Enoch we have today is pseudo-pigrapha which is the lowest tier of questionable literature.
Did Jude quote from the book of Enoch
The Book of Enoch we have today is pseudo-pigrapha which is the lowest tier of questionable literature.
J
You find in the apocryphal writings much that would pass Bible muster as far as canon harmony, but also much that's garbage, and, if anything, throughout the ages holy men have been aware the devil is a master of partial truth. It's been years, but isn't it Enoch that has giants over 400 feet tall in the pre-flood times? I also remember a lot of Enoch reading like a comic book, with worse than junk science as to claims how nature works.
and perfected in 1776 please provide your ref's to that statement
J
I actually own the Charles apocrypha, those big hardbound books with grey jackets, both Old and New Testament apocryphal writings I read many years ago, and took away from it all one thing, having been pretty up on the Bible before this, "Yes. I can see why that was thrown out." Reasons varied from dubious supernatural claims to just being some rambling history that fit nowhere with inspired scripture. I don't recall one book I could see as belonging in the Bible, only some passages of Enoch harmonizing with Bible scripture.
J
There was a lot of stuff you could take away, but nothing that wasn't already there in the Bible, and the Bible less verbose. I also recall some signs of commentary going on, as if some tribal elder giving a speech, waxing eloquent, again, not the same linguistic precision and absence of human rhetorical styles which mark the Bible. It's like, there are people running off at the mouth, then there's the way God speaks.
The 1611 would be the authority. They knew the Apocrypha was not authoritative. But the perfect Word that existed before 1769 would be the Latin manuscripts. In other words, let's say a bible is translated into a new language today. That bible would be their authority. In other words, I believe God can use imperfect translations so as to save people and lead to some basic level of truth, but that doesn't mean He has to give everyone a perfect Word.
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