Who were the Nephilims?

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greatkraw

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Haven't I heard enough false prophecies from you?
you have never heard me make a prophecy
I dont know if you have a sense of humour but the fact that you have something personal against me means that you do not see when I am being amusing
lots of people dont - some of it is cultural
 
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miktre

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you have never heard me make a prophecy
I dont know if you have a sense of humour but the fact that you have something personal against me means that you do not see when I am being amusing
lots of people dont - some of it is cultural
OK, OK Just forget it. I though you were baiting me again:D
There, better?
 
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miktre

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I would like to share the beginning of the Kebra Nagast.
In praising God the Father, the Sustainer of the universe, and His Son Jesus
Christ, through Whom everything came into being, and without Whom
nothing came into being, and the Holy Triune Spirit, the Paraclete, Who
goeth forth from the Father, and deriveth from the Son, we believe in and
adore the Trinity, one God, the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

I don't think this book was written thousands of years ago to mislead us in silly little arguments about fallen angels.
 

WomanLovesTX

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The following is part of a bible study question and answer. To see the whole answer see webiste:

http://www.biblestudy.org/question/who-are-the-nephilim.html



"Some people think that Genesis 6:4 refers to fallen angels intermarrying with human women and having children. This is impossible, since all angels are not only composed of spirit essence but are also sexless, including Satan. That is why Satan has so perverted sex since the fall of Adam and Eve. Jesus confirmed the inability of angels of having children, in referring to the seven brothers who all married the same woman at different times and none of them had children:"
"'In the resurrection, therefore, to which of the seven will she be wife? For they all had her.' But Jesus answered them, 'You are wrong, because you know neither the scriptures nor the power of God. For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven.' " (Matthew 22:28-30, RSV)
 

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More food for thought: God create male and female on the sixth day of creation. In Gen. chapter 2 God "formed" Adam. Being spoken into existence is very different from being "formed" from the dust. Chapter 2 does not appear in any way to be a continuation story of creation, but a unique man, Adam, who was formed. Eve was given to Adam later. They were not the created male and female from the 6th day creation.

So at the time of Noah, there existed the male and females of creation and a bloodline directly from Adam and Eve. Noah was the only righteous one. (ie. the only pure bloodline from Adam and Eve.) The other 7 humans with him, his wife and three sons and their wives carried DNA of all of God's creation, ie the male and female created on the 6th day (the sons of God). The male and females of spoken into creation were of all races and all tongues. Everything that is, is of God, including all races and languages. At the tower of Babylon God forced new language to occur (probably again.)

So the Nephilim resulted before Noah and the flood and God destroyed because of all the wickedness. So how did new Nephilim occur after the flood? It was in the DNA of the seven family members who were carried through the flood and survived.
 
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miktre

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The following is part of a bible study question and answer. To see the whole answer see webiste:

http://www.biblestudy.org/question/who-are-the-nephilim.html



"Some people think that Genesis 6:4 refers to fallen angels intermarrying with human women and having children. This is impossible, since all angels are not only composed of spirit essence but are also sexless, including Satan. That is why Satan has so perverted sex since the fall of Adam and Eve. Jesus confirmed the inability of angels of having children, in referring to the seven brothers who all married the same woman at different times and none of them had children:"
"'In the resurrection, therefore, to which of the seven will she be wife? For they all had her.' But Jesus answered them, 'You are wrong, because you know neither the scriptures nor the power of God. For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven.' " (Matthew 22:28-30, RSV)
The fallen angels did indeed have relations with women. In the resurrection we will be like the angels in heaven, not the ones who left their habitation; i.e. the fallen angels
 
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miktre

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The only other time sons of God is mentioned in the O.T. is in connection with fallen angels.


  1. Job 1:6
    Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.
  2. Job 2:1
    Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD.
 
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charisenexcelcis

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All the same, I don't see how that would make giants. Which clearly it did.
We don't know how the curse on Cain would have affected them. Josephus, the Jewish historian said that they were cave dwellers. It is more likely to me than that angels have DNA or can intermate with humans.
 
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charisenexcelcis

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More food for thought: God create male and female on the sixth day of creation. In Gen. chapter 2 God "formed" Adam. Being spoken into existence is very different from being "formed" from the dust. Chapter 2 does not appear in any way to be a continuation story of creation, but a unique man, Adam, who was formed. Eve was given to Adam later. They were not the created male and female from the 6th day creation.

So at the time of Noah, there existed the male and females of creation and a bloodline directly from Adam and Eve. Noah was the only righteous one. (ie. the only pure bloodline from Adam and Eve.) The other 7 humans with him, his wife and three sons and their wives carried DNA of all of God's creation, ie the male and female created on the 6th day (the sons of God). The male and females of spoken into creation were of all races and all tongues. Everything that is, is of God, including all races and languages. At the tower of Babylon God forced new language to occur (probably again.)

So the Nephilim resulted before Noah and the flood and God destroyed because of all the wickedness. So how did new Nephilim occur after the flood? It was in the DNA of the seven family members who were carried through the flood and survived.
Possibly in one of the sons' wives.
 

WomanLovesTX

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We don't know how the curse on Cain would have affected them. Josephus, the Jewish historian said that they were cave dwellers. It is more likely to me than that angels have DNA or can intermate with humans.
"Some people think that Genesis 6:4 refers to fallen angels intermarrying with human women and having children. This is impossible, since all angels are not only composed of spirit essence but are also sexless, including Satan. That is why Satan has so perverted sex since the fall of Adam and Eve. Jesus confirmed the inability of angels of having children, in referring to the seven brothers who all married the same woman at different times and none of them had children:"

"'In the resurrection, therefore, to which of the seven will she be wife? For they all had her.' But Jesus answered them, 'You are wrong, because you know neither the scriptures nor the power of God. For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven.' " (Matthew 22:28-30, RSV)


Ever seen the sci-fi that Satan had a child of a human? Well that is just hollywood and is way to hard for me swallow.
 
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charisenexcelcis

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"Some people think that Genesis 6:4 refers to fallen angels intermarrying with human women and having children. This is impossible, since all angels are not only composed of spirit essence but are also sexless, including Satan. That is why Satan has so perverted sex since the fall of Adam and Eve. Jesus confirmed the inability of angels of having children, in referring to the seven brothers who all married the same woman at different times and none of them had children:"

"'In the resurrection, therefore, to which of the seven will she be wife? For they all had her.' But Jesus answered them, 'You are wrong, because you know neither the scriptures nor the power of God. For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven.' " (Matthew 22:28-30, RSV)

Ever seen the sci-fi that Satan had a child of a human? Well that is just hollywood and is way to hard for me swallow.
I agree. I believe that the "sons of God" refer to Seth's line and the "daughter of Men" to Cains.
 

WomanLovesTX

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I agree. I believe that the "sons of God" refer to Seth's line and the "daughter of Men" to Cains.
We all believe somehow to understand this vague scriptures. I, too have theories, but absolutely no actual scriptures to prove or disprove my theories. I was hoping some body had a scriptural basis that is clear.
 
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charisenexcelcis

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We all believe somehow to understand this vague scriptures. I, too have theories, but absolutely no actual scriptures to prove or disprove my theories. I was hoping some body had a scriptural basis that is clear.
There isn't alot of specific info to clear it up and most is a process of elimination. That's why you find such wide differences. What was your idea?
 
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greatkraw

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they might have used genetic engineering; that is what they are trying to do today
if they clone a human it might become a vessel for an unclean spirit
 
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Definition_Christ

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Jude
5 But I want to remind you, though you once knew this, that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed those who did not believe.
6 And the angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day;
7 as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them in a similar manner to these, having given themselves over to sexual immorality and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

:confused:
 
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miktre

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Jude
5 But I want to remind you, though you once knew this, that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed those who did not believe.
6 And the angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day;
7 as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them in a similar manner to these, having given themselves over to sexual immorality and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

:confused:
Good job Def, people like to believe every old thing but the truth of it.
 
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Definition_Christ

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Indeed sir.
 

WomanLovesTX

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There isn't alot of specific info to clear it up and most is a process of elimination. That's why you find such wide differences. What was your idea?
You asked: now I am in for it (LOL) I'll try to make this short.

My THEORY is just that, a theory. My basis of who are "the sons of God" does not assume angels or demons can procreate, nor do angels or demons ever die The number of angels created is the same number today. The do not procreate and they do not die.. I do believe in the "8th day creation". This belief leads to:
NOT THEORY
a) God created male and females on the 6th day of creation. Nothing is made that God didn't make.

THEORY BELOW:
b) these male and females created on the 6th day was made up of all races and languages and stature(physical size)( all of which is in DNA)... (Also all creation has DNA, plants, animals, birds, etc. etc.)


NOT THEORY

c)God "formed" Adam from the dust (did not speak him into existence....this is where much controversy comes) God breathed life into Adam and he became a living being (a human also with DNA). Eve was formed from Adams rib.



THEORY BELOW

(AGAIN, These were not 6th day created male and female that were spoken into existence on the 6th day of creation.)


NOT THEORY
d) only through the bloodline of Adam and Eve would Christ come (Christ is called the second Adam). GENESIS 6 - FROM ADAM TO NOAH AND THE FLOOD is about the geaneology of patriarchs


(AND WHO WAS ONLY ALLOWED TO LIVE 120 YEARS? OBVIOUSLY NOT THE PATRIARCHS.

Gen 1:27 – Adam – formed in Creation year = 0 0=3996 b.c.
Gen. 5:3 – Seth – born when Adam was 130 = 3866 b.c.
Gen. 5:6 – Enos – born when Seth was 105 = 3761 b.c.
Gen. 5:9 – Cainan – born when Enos was 90 = 3671 b.c.
Gen. 5:12 – Mehalaleel – born when Cainan was 70 = 3601 b.c.
Gen. 5:15 – Jared – born when Mehalaaleel was 65 = 3536 b.c.
Gen 5:18 – Enoch – born when Jared wa 162 = 3374 b.c.
Gen. 5:21 – Methuselah – born when Enoch was 65 = 3309 b.c.
Gen 5.25 – Lamech – born when Methuselah was 187 = 3122 b.c.
Gen 5:28 – Noah – born when Lamech was 182 = 2940 b.c.
[FONT=&quot]Gen. 7: 11 - Flood Year - born when Noah was 600 = 2340 b.c.[/FONT]

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f) GEN. 6: 4 " THE NEPHILIM WERE ON ALL OF THE EARTH IN THOSE DAYS - AND ALSO AFTERWARD (SEE NUMBERS 13:31-33 - AFTER THE FLOOD THEY EXIST STILL) - WHEN THE SONS OF GOD WENT TO THE DAUGHTERS OF MEN (<- THE NAME ADAM ALSO MEANS MAN) AND HAD CHILDREN BY THEM 'THEY WERE THE HEROES OF OLD, MEN OF RENOWN"(Who were the heroes of old and men of renown and also afterward?) Just a few theories - Goliath - David. Greek mythology. Joseph and Pharaoh. - Hey that would be a great thread - "Name the heroes of old and men of renown from the Bible.


REMEMBER JUST PART THEORY!!
 
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charisenexcelcis

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Do I understand that your theory is that there were men and women for possibly thousands of years before Adam and that their descendents were the "daughters of men" while Adam's line was the "sons of God"?
 

WomanLovesTX

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Do I understand that your theory is that there were men and women for possibly thousands of years before Adam and that their descendents were the "daughters of men" while Adam's line was the "sons of God"?
NO THE OPPOSITE.
"daughters of men" were Adam's line
and "sons of God" were men and women for possibly thousands of years before Adam.
 
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