Who were the Nephilims?

  • Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.

    If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!

    To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
Status
Not open for further replies.
M

miktre

Guest
#41
NO THE OPPOSITE.
"daughters of men" were Adam's line
and "sons of God" were men and women for possibly thousands of years before Adam.
While I agree on the eighth day creation being Adam, I do not agree with your theory.
Abraham had a child with Hagar, who was not of the Adamic race, and this was not such a great thing angering God to flood the world.
 
G

greatkraw

Guest
#42
While I agree on the eighth day creation being Adam, I do not agree with your theory.
Abraham had a child with Hagar, who was not of the Adamic race, and this was not such a great thing angering God to flood the world.
would you like to reread your post before I point out its obvious errors in chronology?
 

WomanLovesTX

Senior Member
Jan 1, 2010
1,390
38
0
#43
While I agree on the eighth day creation being Adam, I do not agree with your theory.
Abraham had a child with Hagar, who was not of the Adamic race, and this was not such a great thing angering God to flood the world.
God made a covenant that He would never flood the earth again.
Hagar is due to Noah's family were not all from the Adamic race. Only Noah was righteous (pure bloodline to Adam and Eve.)
 

WomanLovesTX

Senior Member
Jan 1, 2010
1,390
38
0
#44
The only other time sons of God is mentioned in the O.T. is in connection with fallen angels.


  1. Job 1:6
    Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.
  2. Job 2:1
    Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD.
I read that and wonder why wouldn't a loving God commune with the men and women he created. Just because they came and Satan also presented himself? I don't see the connection yet.
 
M

miktre

Guest
#45
God made a covenant that He would never flood the earth again.
Hagar is due to Noah's family were not all from the Adamic race. Only Noah was righteous (pure bloodline to Adam and Eve.)
Yes, He promised not to flood the world again, my point was this did not anger the Lord like what was happening before the flood. Noah's wife and family were perfect also or else Noah would of been guilty of the same thing of those who died in the flood were guilty of.
 
M

miktre

Guest
#46
I read that and wonder why wouldn't a loving God commune with the men and women he created. Just because they came and Satan also presented himself? I don't see the connection yet.
He did commune with us. He called Himself Jesus Christ. They murdered Him.
 

WomanLovesTX

Senior Member
Jan 1, 2010
1,390
38
0
#47
Yes, He promised not to flood the world again, my point was this did not anger the Lord like what was happening before the flood. Noah's wife and family were perfect also or else Noah would of been guilty of the same thing of those who died in the flood were guilty of.
I could continue to point out a different point of view, but it is time for me to shut up. God Bless All as these questions draw us to study more His Word.
 
M

miktre

Guest
#48
I read that and wonder why wouldn't a loving God commune with the men and women he created. Just because they came and Satan also presented himself? I don't see the connection yet.
Also consider these verses when God was asking Job about when created the world:
4Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.
5Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?
6Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;
7When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

I think its safe to say there weren't any human beings there when He created the Earth.
 
G

greatkraw

Guest
#49
Miktre isright about thequote form Job


the purpose of the flood was to wipe out ALL angelic DNA
NONE of it was on the ark

Jesus ancestry included not only shem but also ham, possibly Japheth as well
 

WomanLovesTX

Senior Member
Jan 1, 2010
1,390
38
0
#50
Miktre isright about thequote form Job the purpose of the flood was to wipe out ALL angelic DNA NONE of it was on the arkl
The Gen. 6:4 passage "There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown."

If I am understanding correctly yours and others post, the sons of God were fallen angels and all the offspring became mighty men and men of renown before the flood and there was no DNA left from fallen angels?. Many say in here that all of Noah's blood line was pure and none had committed the act of mating with the fallen angels. So how come there were giants also after the flood? What is the explanation for them giants?

Miktre isright about thequote form Job
Jesus ancestry included not only shem but also ham, possibly Japheth as well
The apostles who wrote of Jesus genealogy were very specific. How can a genealogy being anything other than from umbilical cord to umbilical cord?
 
G

greatkraw

Guest
#51
this is from http://www.paradoxbrown.com/Chapter_3.htm

And it is one of these Human female giants, or descendent of human female giants, that surely was on the ark. It might have been Noah’s wife, or one or all of the daughters-in-law. But there was without a doubt a human woman on the Ark who had some fallen angel ancestry, although she was a human being, a human woman. And it is from her that Anak descended, Nimrod, Goliath, and Og, and all the other giants after the Flood. Giantism was a recessive characteristic then after the flood, just like it is today. However the giants were taller back then, because their genetics were not as diluted far away from fallen angels as the genetics of giant people today.
 
Jan 8, 2009
7,576
23
0
#52
Yes one of Noah's sons liked tall women. As a matter of fact..... I always wondered how Noah got the roof on his ark... he used tall giants!
 

WomanLovesTX

Senior Member
Jan 1, 2010
1,390
38
0
#53
Yes one of Noah's sons liked tall women. As a matter of fact..... I always wondered how Noah got the roof on his ark... he used tall giants!
You have such a charming wit about you. If you are not a Christian comedian, I think you missed a possible calling. :)
 
M

miktre

Guest
#54
The Gen. 6:4 passage "There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown."

If I am understanding correctly yours and others post, the sons of God were fallen angels and all the offspring became mighty men and men of renown before the flood and there was no DNA left from fallen angels?. Many say in here that all of Noah's blood line was pure and none had committed the act of mating with the fallen angels. So how come there were giants also after the flood? What is the explanation for them giants?



The apostles who wrote of Jesus genealogy were very specific. How can a genealogy being anything other than from umbilical cord to umbilical cord?
Yes and also after that, meaning that a second influx of fallen angels came, most likely what was happening in Sodom and Gommorah.
 
I

Israel

Guest
#55
We must realize that our ability to procreate is one of the main differences between an angel and a human being. Also Noah was the last mention to have been perfect in his geneology. ALL OTHERS from then on whether by a mixture of an angel or otherwise were not. ALL ANGELS, good and bad are ministering spirits.

Numbers 27:16
Let the LORD, the God of the spirits of all flesh, set a man over the congregation

No angel (spirit), Satan or otherwise can do ANYTHING unless it is allowed by God so if the world was destroyed because of the interbreeding of man and angelic 'seed,' then why allow it AFTER the flood? Why was the world destroyed?

Genesis 6:11-13
The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence.

12And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth. 13And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.
 
M

miktre

Guest
#56
Also Noah was the last mention to have been perfect in his geneology. ALL OTHERS from then on whether by a mixture of an angel or otherwise were not. ALL ANGELS, good and bad are ministering spirits.
You overlooked a fairly obvious error in your statement. The seed line which Christ would come through Noah was perfect down through the generations. Thus Noah's wife was also perfect also or else you shall be saying that Christ came from a corrupted bloodline through Mary.
 
I

Israel

Guest
#57
You overlooked a fairly obvious error in your statement. The seed line which Christ would come through Noah was perfect down through the generations. Thus Noah's wife was also perfect also or else you shall be saying that Christ came from a corrupted bloodline through Mary.

Genesis 5
This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;

2Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.
3And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, and after his image; and called his name Seth:
4And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begat sons and daughters:
5And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died.
6And Seth lived an hundred and five years, and begat Enos:
7And Seth lived after he begat Enos eight hundred and seven years, and begat sons and daughters:
8And all the days of Seth were nine hundred and twelve years: and he died.
9And Enos lived ninety years, and begat Cainan:
10And Enos lived after he begat Cainan eight hundred and fifteen years, and begat sons and daughters:
11And all the days of Enos were nine hundred and five years: and he died.
12And Cainan lived seventy years and begat Mahalaleel:
13And Cainan lived after he begat Mahalaleel eight hundred and forty years, and begat sons and daughters:
14And all the days of Cainan were nine hundred and ten years: and he died.
15And Mahalaleel lived sixty and five years, and begat Jared:
16And Mahalaleel lived after he begat Jared eight hundred and thirty years, and begat sons and daughters:
17And all the days of Mahalaleel were eight hundred ninety and five years: and he died.
18And Jared lived an hundred sixty and two years, and he begat Enoch:
19And Jared lived after he begat Enoch eight hundred years, and begat sons and daughters:
20And all the days of Jared were nine hundred sixty and two years: and he died.
21And Enoch lived sixty and five years, and begat Methuselah:
22And Enoch walked with God after he begat Methuselah three hundred years, and begat sons and daughters:
23And all the days of Enoch were three hundred sixty and five years:
24And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him.
25And Methuselah lived an hundred eighty and seven years, and begat Lamech.
26And Methuselah lived after he begat Lamech seven hundred eighty and two years, and begat sons and daughters:
27And all the days of Methuselah were nine hundred sixty and nine years: and he died.
28And Lamech lived an hundred eighty and two years, and begat a son:
29And he called his name Noah, saying, This same shall comfort us concerning our work and toil of our hands, because of the ground which the LORD hath cursed.
30And Lamech lived after he begat Noah five hundred ninety and five years, and begat sons and daughters:
31And all the days of Lamech were seven hundred seventy and seven years: and he died. 32And Noah was five hundred years old: and Noah begat Shem, Ham, and Japheth.

Why so long? Why wait five hundred years; over 312 years more than anyone else in his generations?

Genesis 6:1-10
And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,

2That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
3And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
4There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
5And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
6And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
7And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.
8But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.
9These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God. 10And Noah begat three sons, Shem, Ham, and Japheth

It took Noah longer than any in his generation before him because he could not find a suitable wife for himself. The verses mentions the sons of God, in which Adam was a son of God; but what of the women from his line? They also corrupted themselves with wordly men. Noah's wife was NOT purely of Adam and Eve's bloodline or else the scriptures would not have started with the generations of Noah. It would have continued in Adam's generations.

Look at verse 9 of Genesis 6. Noah was a just man. Of all the wickedness around him, he stayed righteous and as such had to find a woman who was receptive of his righteous way of living. He was perfect in his generations in that he was the last man born of the union of a man and a woman of pure Adamic blood. He also walked with God. Amid all the wickedness and of the fact that he was unequally yoked with a woman not of pure Adamic blood, he continued to walk with God. Therefore he found grace in the eyes of the Lord.

Noah's wife was not perfect. Her blood was not pure.

Genesis 9:20-29
And Noah began to be an husbandman, and he planted a vineyard:

21And he drank of the wine, and was drunken; and he was uncovered within his tent.
22And Ham, the father of Canaan, saw the nakedness of his father, and told his two brethren without.
23And Shem and Japheth took a garment, and laid it upon both their shoulders, and went backward, and covered the nakedness of their father; and their faces were backward, and they saw not their father's nakedness.
24And Noah awoke from his wine, and knew what his younger son had done unto him.
25And he said, Cursed be Canaan; a servant of servants shall he be unto his brethren.
26And he said, Blessed be the LORD God of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant.
27God shall enlarge Japheth, and he shall dwell in the tents of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant.
28And Noah lived after the flood three hundred and fifty years. 29And all the days of Noah were nine hundred and fifty years: and he died.

How was Noah uncovered? Ham not only saw the nakedness of his father, but told his two brothers as if to brag about it. But why curse his son Canaan and not Ham? Before my father passed, I had to help him do certain things as he was unable to do them fully on his own. I saw him naked but does this mean that one of my kids should be cursed? Also, in all the previously mentioned before Noah, after their first born they continued to have sons and daughters before they died. Noah died ant 950 years old. That's some 400 years after his first 3 sons without so much as another son or daughter!

Jesus was not born of a union of a man and a woman. He was the only begotten of God, born of the Spirit. He was born in the likeness of a sinful body but the scriptures teaches that physically, life is in the blood. His blood did not come from a man and could not be tainted by the woman by protection of her placenta.
 
M

miktre

Guest
#58
Genesis 5
This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;



Why so long? Why wait five hundred years; over 312 years more than anyone else in his generations?
Nice observation but it doesn't give you grounds to make that assumption about Noah;'s wife.


9These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and and Noah walked with God. perfect in his generations,10And Noah begat three sons, Shem, Ham, and Japheth

It took Noah longer than any in his generation before him because he could not find a suitable wife for himself. The verses mentions the sons of God, in which Adam was a son of God; but what of the women from his line? They also corrupted themselves with wordly men. Noah's wife was NOT purely of Adam and Eve's bloodline or else the scriptures would not have started with the generations of Noah. It would have continued in Adam's generations.
The story is about Noah here so why not go from Adam to Noah and then continue with Noah's generations. You make more Great assumptions from this.



Look at verse 9 of Genesis 6. Noah was a just man. Of all the wickedness around him, he stayed righteous and as such had to find a woman who was receptive of his righteous way of living. He was perfect in his generations in that he was the last man born of the union of a man and a woman of pure Adamic blood. He also walked with God. Amid all the wickedness and of the fact that he was unequally yoked with a woman not of pure Adamic blood, he continued to walk with God. Therefore he found grace in the eyes of the Lord.


Noah's wife was not perfect. Her blood was not pure.

How was Noah uncovered? Ham not only saw the nakedness of his father, but told his two brothers as if to brag about it. But why curse his son Canaan and not Ham? Before my father passed, I had to help him do certain things as he was unable to do them fully on his own. I saw him naked but does this mean that one of my kids should be cursed? Also, in all the previously mentioned before Noah, after their first born they continued to have sons and daughters before they died. Noah died ant 950 years old. That's some 400 years after his first 3 sons without so much as another son or daughter!
Ham had sex with his mother this is not about Ham seeing Noah without clothes on.

Jesus was not born of a union of a man and a woman. He was the only begotten of God, born of the Spirit. He was born in the likeness of a sinful body but the scriptures teaches that physically, life is in the blood. His blood did not come from a man and could not be tainted by the woman by protection of her placenta.
You couldn't be wronger on this one. Mary whom Christ came though had the perfect bloodline. She was of the coming together of the King line(Judah) and the Priest line(Levi). I don't know where you picked this doctrine up but you had better re-examine it.
 
C

Commendez

Guest
#59
Well, I'm no scholar of any sort but I do see MANY indigenous cultures that say they come from beings 'not of this earth' that spawned children of great strength. Some cultures from New Zealand for example and even in Greek mythology. We, as bible believing Christians, can see that ALL religions were born from the tower of Babel. The fact that they stayed together and God had to introduce languages to disperse people is an indication that their beliefs were NOT in YHWH and if you're not worshiping HIM then your are either knowingly or unknowing worship the serpent Satan.
Israel was the ONLY tribe/nation on the planet that represented the one true God. So it is then safe to assume that ALL OTHER indigenous beliefs having been passed from generation to generation since the tower of Babel would be pagan based with biblical accounts (up to the tower of Babel) having been changed to view Satan's side as positive.
The 'great son's' born from 'beings not of this earth' would fit perfectly into the description of the Nephilim, but they are seen as great figures. Biblically we read that the result led to the destruction of Mankind. Just a thought :)
 
Status
Not open for further replies.