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More "hyper grace" doctrine from Joseph Prince---->>>>
Source---->>>>A Thorough Refutation of the False-Grace Heresy of Joseph Prince Part 1 | Cornerstone World Outreach
I don't care I don't care if one is right. But if one is wrong I do care. Now CHRIST who died for all men whose salvation is for all men since GOD was INDEED reconciling the world to HIMSELF in HIS SON is truth. However not all are seated in CHRIST therefore no not all are saved because not all hav entered in by the TRUE VEIL which is HIS BODY therefore not all (by GOD's WORK AND CALL) have been transferred out of the kingdom of darkness
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Here is one view of grace and Jesus. If this causes you to slander and malign people in the body of Christ - then that is between you and the Lord.
I like to use this website because it tackles thoughts like this and has questions at the bottom where people have asked about the article.
Is Grace a Person?
People sometimes ask me, “Why do you say grace is another name for Jesus?” or “Why do you say grace is a Person?” They are referring to something I wrote in my book The Gospel in Twenty Questions:
Grace isn’t a bunch of rules for you to keep. And grace is not God’s lubricant for greasing the cogs of self effort. Grace is a Person living his life through you. Living under grace is like being married, only more so. It’s the adventure of life shared with Christ. (p.2)
Of course, I am not the only one who says grace is a Person. Many others have, including Joseph Prince:
Grace is not a theology. It is not a subject matter. It is not a doctrine. It is a person, and his name is Jesus. That’s the reason the Lord wants you to receive the abundance of grace, for to have the abundance of grace is to have the abundance of Jesus. (Destined to Reign, p.24)
Prince says that the law is impersonal and was given (suggesting an arms-length transaction), while grace is personal and came when Jesus came (John 1:17). That sounds good to me, but some people find this weird.
“You make it sound like there’s a fourth member of the Trinity called Grace.”
We’re simply saying that God gives us his grace through his Son. Jesus came full of grace from the One who sits on the throne of grace. He is the personification of the Father’s grace. No Jesus, no grace. Know Jesus, know grace.
“But isn’t it weird to say grace has a personality?”
Maybe, but it’s not without Biblical basis. In Romans Paul describes sin as having a personality. He says sin is a noun (not a verb) characterized by desires and an agenda.
In fact, everything the Bible says about sin is true of Satan. Both sin and Satan seek to devour us (Gen 4:7, 1 Pet 5:8) and kill us (Rom 7:11, John 8:44), and both have been defeated by Jesus (Heb 9:26, John 12:31).
Just as sin is synonymous with Satan, grace is synonymous with Jesus. Here are eighteen reasons why.
Why is grace another name for Jesus?
- The gospel of grace is the gospel of Jesus (Acts 20:24, 2 Th 1:8).
- We are saved by grace (Eph 2:5); we are saved by Jesus (2 Tim 1:9).
- We are justified by grace (Rom 3:24); we are justified by Jesus (Rom 4:25).
- Grace helps us; Jesus helps us (Heb 4:16).
- God’s grace offers salvation to all (Tit 2:11); Jesus is the Savior of all (1 Tim 4:10).
- God is love and love that stoops (or comes down) is grace; Jesus is the Father’s love come down (John 16:28).
- The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Christ (Rom 8:9) and the Spirit of Grace (Heb 10:29).
- All the blessings of God come to us by grace alone and all of them are found in Jesus (Eph 1:3).
- Grace is a teacher (Tit 2:12); Jesus is a teacher (Matt 8:19).
- Grace reigns (Rom 5:21); Jesus reigns (1 Cor 15:25).
- When the Galatians cut themselves off from Christ, they cut themselves off from grace (Gal 5:4).
- In the same way that God is love, Jesus is grace (see 2 Cor 13:14).
- The Bible speaks of “the love of God” and “the grace of Jesus” ( 1Cor 16:23, Rev 22:21).
- God’s grace is given in Christ Jesus” (1 Cor 1:4, Eph 1:6, 2 Tim 1:9, 2:1). Jesus is the embodiment of God’s grace.
- Here are two Biblical blessings that say the same thing: “The Lord be with you” and “grace be with you” (2 Tim 4:22, Phm 1:25).
- The Old Testament prophets foretold the coming of Jesus and the coming of grace (1 Pet 1:10). These weren’t two separate events. Grace came when Jesus came (John 1:17).
- To the degree that we know Jesus, we enjoy God’s grace (2 Pet 1:2)
- Jesus is the word of God and the word of his grace which can build you up (Act 20:32)
Why does it matter?
This matters a great deal because grace will not bear fruit in your life if you think it is merely a concept or a doctrine. As Judah Smith said recently:
We shudder at the term grace because it has been so maligned, so abused, so misrepresented. We see grace as the get out of jail free card. “Oh yeah, I love me some grace man. I get my jiggy on in the weekend then I come back on Sunday and get me my grace on.” No, that’s not grace. You’ve met a concept, not a Person.”
I regularly encounter people who don’t know what grace is so they misuse it or they attack it. Just the other day someone wrote to tell me that too much preaching on grace leads to wrongdoing. That’s simply not possible when you have a proper understanding of grace. Grace no more leads to wrongdoing than love for your spouse will lead you to Ashley Madison.
The other day I happened to catch a prominent TV evangelist tearing my stuff to shreds on his program. (Watched by millions!) It’s nice to be noticed but I was saddened that he was using his platform to disparage the only thing that can empower people to live well.
I occasionally get asked by pastors to come and preach a sermon or run a seminar on grace because they recognize it as a hot topic. It makes me wonder what they’re preaching when they’re not preaching grace. Jesus is not a “hot topic” or a buzzword to be slotted into your teaching schedule. He’s the Lover of our souls and the Center of Everything!
What grace is not
Grace is not a doctrine or a podcast or a tweet. Grace is not a season to walk through or a midweek seminar. Grace is not one aspect of God’s character to be balanced against his other, less gracious aspects.
Grace is a Person who loves you, died for you, and now lives for you. The gospel of grace is the gospel of Jesus – there is no difference.
The grace of the Lord Jesus be with you!
https://escapetoreality.org/2015/09/04/grace-is-a-person/
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Here is one view of grace and Jesus. If this causes you to slander and malign people in the body of Christ - then that is between you and the Lord.
I like to use this website because it tackles thoughts like this and has questions at the bottom where people have asked about the article.
Is Grace a Person?
People sometimes ask me, “Why do you say grace is another name for Jesus?” or “Why do you say grace is a Person?” They are referring to something I wrote in my book The Gospel in Twenty Questions:
Grace isn’t a bunch of rules for you to keep. And grace is not God’s lubricant for greasing the cogs of self effort. Grace is a Person living his life through you. Living under grace is like being married, only more so. It’s the adventure of life shared with Christ. (p.2)
Of course, I am not the only one who says grace is a Person. Many others have, including Joseph Prince:
Grace is not a theology. It is not a subject matter. It is not a doctrine. It is a person, and his name is Jesus. That’s the reason the Lord wants you to receive the abundance of grace, for to have the abundance of grace is to have the abundance of Jesus. (Destined to Reign, p.24)
Prince says that the law is impersonal and was given (suggesting an arms-length transaction), while grace is personal and came when Jesus came (John 1:17). That sounds good to me, but some people find this weird.
“You make it sound like there’s a fourth member of the Trinity called Grace.”
We’re simply saying that God gives us his grace through his Son. Jesus came full of grace from the One who sits on the throne of grace. He is the personification of the Father’s grace. No Jesus, no grace. Know Jesus, know grace.
“But isn’t it weird to say grace has a personality?”
Maybe, but it’s not without Biblical basis. In Romans Paul describes sin as having a personality. He says sin is a noun (not a verb) characterized by desires and an agenda.
In fact, everything the Bible says about sin is true of Satan. Both sin and Satan seek to devour us (Gen 4:7, 1 Pet 5:8) and kill us (Rom 7:11, John 8:44), and both have been defeated by Jesus (Heb 9:26, John 12:31).
Just as sin is synonymous with Satan, grace is synonymous with Jesus. Here are eighteen reasons why.
Why is grace another name for Jesus?
Why does it matter?
This matters a great deal because grace will not bear fruit in your life if you think it is merely a concept or a doctrine. As Judah Smith said recently:
We shudder at the term grace because it has been so maligned, so abused, so misrepresented. We see grace as the get out of jail free card. “Oh yeah, I love me some grace man. I get my jiggy on in the weekend then I come back on Sunday and get me my grace on.” No, that’s not grace. You’ve met a concept, not a Person.”
I regularly encounter people who don’t know what grace is so they misuse it or they attack it. Just the other day someone wrote to tell me that too much preaching on grace leads to wrongdoing. That’s simply not possible when you have a proper understanding of grace. Grace no more leads to wrongdoing than love for your spouse will lead you to Ashley Madison.
The other day I happened to catch a prominent TV evangelist tearing my stuff to shreds on his program. (Watched by millions!) It’s nice to be noticed but I was saddened that he was using his platform to disparage the only thing that can empower people to live well.
I occasionally get asked by pastors to come and preach a sermon or run a seminar on grace because they recognize it as a hot topic. It makes me wonder what they’re preaching when they’re not preaching grace. Jesus is not a “hot topic” or a buzzword to be slotted into your teaching schedule. He’s the Lover of our souls and the Center of Everything!
What grace is not
Grace is not a doctrine or a podcast or a tweet. Grace is not a season to walk through or a midweek seminar. Grace is not one aspect of God’s character to be balanced against his other, less gracious aspects.
Grace is a Person who loves you, died for you, and now lives for you. The gospel of grace is the gospel of Jesus – there is no difference.
The grace of the Lord Jesus be with you!
https://escapetoreality.org/2015/09/04/grace-is-a-person/
I like to use this website because it tackles thoughts like this and has questions at the bottom where people have asked about the article.
Is Grace a Person?
People sometimes ask me, “Why do you say grace is another name for Jesus?” or “Why do you say grace is a Person?” They are referring to something I wrote in my book The Gospel in Twenty Questions:
Grace isn’t a bunch of rules for you to keep. And grace is not God’s lubricant for greasing the cogs of self effort. Grace is a Person living his life through you. Living under grace is like being married, only more so. It’s the adventure of life shared with Christ. (p.2)
Of course, I am not the only one who says grace is a Person. Many others have, including Joseph Prince:
Grace is not a theology. It is not a subject matter. It is not a doctrine. It is a person, and his name is Jesus. That’s the reason the Lord wants you to receive the abundance of grace, for to have the abundance of grace is to have the abundance of Jesus. (Destined to Reign, p.24)
Prince says that the law is impersonal and was given (suggesting an arms-length transaction), while grace is personal and came when Jesus came (John 1:17). That sounds good to me, but some people find this weird.
“You make it sound like there’s a fourth member of the Trinity called Grace.”
We’re simply saying that God gives us his grace through his Son. Jesus came full of grace from the One who sits on the throne of grace. He is the personification of the Father’s grace. No Jesus, no grace. Know Jesus, know grace.
“But isn’t it weird to say grace has a personality?”
Maybe, but it’s not without Biblical basis. In Romans Paul describes sin as having a personality. He says sin is a noun (not a verb) characterized by desires and an agenda.
In fact, everything the Bible says about sin is true of Satan. Both sin and Satan seek to devour us (Gen 4:7, 1 Pet 5:8) and kill us (Rom 7:11, John 8:44), and both have been defeated by Jesus (Heb 9:26, John 12:31).
Just as sin is synonymous with Satan, grace is synonymous with Jesus. Here are eighteen reasons why.
Why is grace another name for Jesus?
- The gospel of grace is the gospel of Jesus (Acts 20:24, 2 Th 1:8).
- We are saved by grace (Eph 2:5); we are saved by Jesus (2 Tim 1:9).
- We are justified by grace (Rom 3:24); we are justified by Jesus (Rom 4:25).
- Grace helps us; Jesus helps us (Heb 4:16).
- God’s grace offers salvation to all (Tit 2:11); Jesus is the Savior of all (1 Tim 4:10).
- God is love and love that stoops (or comes down) is grace; Jesus is the Father’s love come down (John 16:28).
- The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Christ (Rom 8:9) and the Spirit of Grace (Heb 10:29).
- All the blessings of God come to us by grace alone and all of them are found in Jesus (Eph 1:3).
- Grace is a teacher (Tit 2:12); Jesus is a teacher (Matt 8:19).
- Grace reigns (Rom 5:21); Jesus reigns (1 Cor 15:25).
- When the Galatians cut themselves off from Christ, they cut themselves off from grace (Gal 5:4).
- In the same way that God is love, Jesus is grace (see 2 Cor 13:14).
- The Bible speaks of “the love of God” and “the grace of Jesus” ( 1Cor 16:23, Rev 22:21).
- God’s grace is given in Christ Jesus” (1 Cor 1:4, Eph 1:6, 2 Tim 1:9, 2:1). Jesus is the embodiment of God’s grace.
- Here are two Biblical blessings that say the same thing: “The Lord be with you” and “grace be with you” (2 Tim 4:22, Phm 1:25).
- The Old Testament prophets foretold the coming of Jesus and the coming of grace (1 Pet 1:10). These weren’t two separate events. Grace came when Jesus came (John 1:17).
- To the degree that we know Jesus, we enjoy God’s grace (2 Pet 1:2)
- Jesus is the word of God and the word of his grace which can build you up (Act 20:32)
Why does it matter?
This matters a great deal because grace will not bear fruit in your life if you think it is merely a concept or a doctrine. As Judah Smith said recently:
We shudder at the term grace because it has been so maligned, so abused, so misrepresented. We see grace as the get out of jail free card. “Oh yeah, I love me some grace man. I get my jiggy on in the weekend then I come back on Sunday and get me my grace on.” No, that’s not grace. You’ve met a concept, not a Person.”
I regularly encounter people who don’t know what grace is so they misuse it or they attack it. Just the other day someone wrote to tell me that too much preaching on grace leads to wrongdoing. That’s simply not possible when you have a proper understanding of grace. Grace no more leads to wrongdoing than love for your spouse will lead you to Ashley Madison.
The other day I happened to catch a prominent TV evangelist tearing my stuff to shreds on his program. (Watched by millions!) It’s nice to be noticed but I was saddened that he was using his platform to disparage the only thing that can empower people to live well.
I occasionally get asked by pastors to come and preach a sermon or run a seminar on grace because they recognize it as a hot topic. It makes me wonder what they’re preaching when they’re not preaching grace. Jesus is not a “hot topic” or a buzzword to be slotted into your teaching schedule. He’s the Lover of our souls and the Center of Everything!
What grace is not
Grace is not a doctrine or a podcast or a tweet. Grace is not a season to walk through or a midweek seminar. Grace is not one aspect of God’s character to be balanced against his other, less gracious aspects.
Grace is a Person who loves you, died for you, and now lives for you. The gospel of grace is the gospel of Jesus – there is no difference.
The grace of the Lord Jesus be with you!
https://escapetoreality.org/2015/09/04/grace-is-a-person/
Here is one view of grace and Jesus. If this causes you to slander and malign people in the body of Christ - then that is between you and the Lord.
I like to use this website because it tackles thoughts like this and has questions at the bottom where people have asked about the article.
Is Grace a Person?
People sometimes ask me, “Why do you say grace is another name for Jesus?” or “Why do you say grace is a Person?” They are referring to something I wrote in my book The Gospel in Twenty Questions:
Grace isn’t a bunch of rules for you to keep. And grace is not God’s lubricant for greasing the cogs of self effort. Grace is a Person living his life through you. Living under grace is like being married, only more so. It’s the adventure of life shared with Christ. (p.2)
Of course, I am not the only one who says grace is a Person. Many others have, including Joseph Prince:
Grace is not a theology. It is not a subject matter. It is not a doctrine. It is a person, and his name is Jesus. That’s the reason the Lord wants you to receive the abundance of grace, for to have the abundance of grace is to have the abundance of Jesus. (Destined to Reign, p.24)
Prince says that the law is impersonal and was given (suggesting an arms-length transaction), while grace is personal and came when Jesus came (John 1:17). That sounds good to me, but some people find this weird.
“You make it sound like there’s a fourth member of the Trinity called Grace.”
We’re simply saying that God gives us his grace through his Son. Jesus came full of grace from the One who sits on the throne of grace. He is the personification of the Father’s grace. No Jesus, no grace. Know Jesus, know grace.
“But isn’t it weird to say grace has a personality?”
Maybe, but it’s not without Biblical basis. In Romans Paul describes sin as having a personality. He says sin is a noun (not a verb) characterized by desires and an agenda.
In fact, everything the Bible says about sin is true of Satan. Both sin and Satan seek to devour us (Gen 4:7, 1 Pet 5:8) and kill us (Rom 7:11, John 8:44), and both have been defeated by Jesus (Heb 9:26, John 12:31).
Just as sin is synonymous with Satan, grace is synonymous with Jesus. Here are eighteen reasons why.
Why is grace another name for Jesus?
Why does it matter?
This matters a great deal because grace will not bear fruit in your life if you think it is merely a concept or a doctrine. As Judah Smith said recently:
We shudder at the term grace because it has been so maligned, so abused, so misrepresented. We see grace as the get out of jail free card. “Oh yeah, I love me some grace man. I get my jiggy on in the weekend then I come back on Sunday and get me my grace on.” No, that’s not grace. You’ve met a concept, not a Person.”
I regularly encounter people who don’t know what grace is so they misuse it or they attack it. Just the other day someone wrote to tell me that too much preaching on grace leads to wrongdoing. That’s simply not possible when you have a proper understanding of grace. Grace no more leads to wrongdoing than love for your spouse will lead you to Ashley Madison.
The other day I happened to catch a prominent TV evangelist tearing my stuff to shreds on his program. (Watched by millions!) It’s nice to be noticed but I was saddened that he was using his platform to disparage the only thing that can empower people to live well.
I occasionally get asked by pastors to come and preach a sermon or run a seminar on grace because they recognize it as a hot topic. It makes me wonder what they’re preaching when they’re not preaching grace. Jesus is not a “hot topic” or a buzzword to be slotted into your teaching schedule. He’s the Lover of our souls and the Center of Everything!
What grace is not
Grace is not a doctrine or a podcast or a tweet. Grace is not a season to walk through or a midweek seminar. Grace is not one aspect of God’s character to be balanced against his other, less gracious aspects.
Grace is a Person who loves you, died for you, and now lives for you. The gospel of grace is the gospel of Jesus – there is no difference.
The grace of the Lord Jesus be with you!
https://escapetoreality.org/2015/09/04/grace-is-a-person/
I like to use this website because it tackles thoughts like this and has questions at the bottom where people have asked about the article.
Is Grace a Person?
People sometimes ask me, “Why do you say grace is another name for Jesus?” or “Why do you say grace is a Person?” They are referring to something I wrote in my book The Gospel in Twenty Questions:
Grace isn’t a bunch of rules for you to keep. And grace is not God’s lubricant for greasing the cogs of self effort. Grace is a Person living his life through you. Living under grace is like being married, only more so. It’s the adventure of life shared with Christ. (p.2)
Of course, I am not the only one who says grace is a Person. Many others have, including Joseph Prince:
Grace is not a theology. It is not a subject matter. It is not a doctrine. It is a person, and his name is Jesus. That’s the reason the Lord wants you to receive the abundance of grace, for to have the abundance of grace is to have the abundance of Jesus. (Destined to Reign, p.24)
Prince says that the law is impersonal and was given (suggesting an arms-length transaction), while grace is personal and came when Jesus came (John 1:17). That sounds good to me, but some people find this weird.
“You make it sound like there’s a fourth member of the Trinity called Grace.”
We’re simply saying that God gives us his grace through his Son. Jesus came full of grace from the One who sits on the throne of grace. He is the personification of the Father’s grace. No Jesus, no grace. Know Jesus, know grace.
“But isn’t it weird to say grace has a personality?”
Maybe, but it’s not without Biblical basis. In Romans Paul describes sin as having a personality. He says sin is a noun (not a verb) characterized by desires and an agenda.
In fact, everything the Bible says about sin is true of Satan. Both sin and Satan seek to devour us (Gen 4:7, 1 Pet 5:8) and kill us (Rom 7:11, John 8:44), and both have been defeated by Jesus (Heb 9:26, John 12:31).
Just as sin is synonymous with Satan, grace is synonymous with Jesus. Here are eighteen reasons why.
Why is grace another name for Jesus?
- The gospel of grace is the gospel of Jesus (Acts 20:24, 2 Th 1:8).
- We are saved by grace (Eph 2:5); we are saved by Jesus (2 Tim 1:9).
- We are justified by grace (Rom 3:24); we are justified by Jesus (Rom 4:25).
- Grace helps us; Jesus helps us (Heb 4:16).
- God’s grace offers salvation to all (Tit 2:11); Jesus is the Savior of all (1 Tim 4:10).
- God is love and love that stoops (or comes down) is grace; Jesus is the Father’s love come down (John 16:28).
- The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Christ (Rom 8:9) and the Spirit of Grace (Heb 10:29).
- All the blessings of God come to us by grace alone and all of them are found in Jesus (Eph 1:3).
- Grace is a teacher (Tit 2:12); Jesus is a teacher (Matt 8:19).
- Grace reigns (Rom 5:21); Jesus reigns (1 Cor 15:25).
- When the Galatians cut themselves off from Christ, they cut themselves off from grace (Gal 5:4).
- In the same way that God is love, Jesus is grace (see 2 Cor 13:14).
- The Bible speaks of “the love of God” and “the grace of Jesus” ( 1Cor 16:23, Rev 22:21).
- God’s grace is given in Christ Jesus” (1 Cor 1:4, Eph 1:6, 2 Tim 1:9, 2:1). Jesus is the embodiment of God’s grace.
- Here are two Biblical blessings that say the same thing: “The Lord be with you” and “grace be with you” (2 Tim 4:22, Phm 1:25).
- The Old Testament prophets foretold the coming of Jesus and the coming of grace (1 Pet 1:10). These weren’t two separate events. Grace came when Jesus came (John 1:17).
- To the degree that we know Jesus, we enjoy God’s grace (2 Pet 1:2)
- Jesus is the word of God and the word of his grace which can build you up (Act 20:32)
Why does it matter?
This matters a great deal because grace will not bear fruit in your life if you think it is merely a concept or a doctrine. As Judah Smith said recently:
We shudder at the term grace because it has been so maligned, so abused, so misrepresented. We see grace as the get out of jail free card. “Oh yeah, I love me some grace man. I get my jiggy on in the weekend then I come back on Sunday and get me my grace on.” No, that’s not grace. You’ve met a concept, not a Person.”
I regularly encounter people who don’t know what grace is so they misuse it or they attack it. Just the other day someone wrote to tell me that too much preaching on grace leads to wrongdoing. That’s simply not possible when you have a proper understanding of grace. Grace no more leads to wrongdoing than love for your spouse will lead you to Ashley Madison.
The other day I happened to catch a prominent TV evangelist tearing my stuff to shreds on his program. (Watched by millions!) It’s nice to be noticed but I was saddened that he was using his platform to disparage the only thing that can empower people to live well.
I occasionally get asked by pastors to come and preach a sermon or run a seminar on grace because they recognize it as a hot topic. It makes me wonder what they’re preaching when they’re not preaching grace. Jesus is not a “hot topic” or a buzzword to be slotted into your teaching schedule. He’s the Lover of our souls and the Center of Everything!
What grace is not
Grace is not a doctrine or a podcast or a tweet. Grace is not a season to walk through or a midweek seminar. Grace is not one aspect of God’s character to be balanced against his other, less gracious aspects.
Grace is a Person who loves you, died for you, and now lives for you. The gospel of grace is the gospel of Jesus – there is no difference.
The grace of the Lord Jesus be with you!
https://escapetoreality.org/2015/09/04/grace-is-a-person/
When Jesus came He came as a result of the unmerited love of God. When the Bible says that grace came through Jesus Christ it means that Jesus was God's highest activity of grace, and He too brought grace to men.
While it is true that we can parallel Jesus with grace in many NT texts that is because the grace of God was the source of His activity. Jesus was acting out the grace of God. But it does not make them synonymous.
Grace did not die for me. It was Jesus Christ acting in grace Who died for me.
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I agree on a certain level...but in the same token - you cannot have grace without Christ - nor can you have Christ without having grace. It's like trying to separate the "wet from the water". Can't be done.
But it's not an issue I would argue about - I just view in my own mind that grace and Jesus as one just like I do in the fact that Jesus is Truth personified.
But it's not an issue I would argue about - I just view in my own mind that grace and Jesus as one just like I do in the fact that Jesus is Truth personified.
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The above statement confirms the confusion in the "hyper grace" doctrine and those who follow it, which believes the God of the OT is different in thinking than the God of the NT. This confusion is corfirmed here in Joseph Princes teachings---->>>> source of quote...Joseph Prince exposed, false teachings of Joseph Prince
Clearly we see by the above nonsense they believe there are 2 different words being spoken, thus 2 different gods in their minds.
This confused way of thinking is of the world, and is of the spirit of this world, and is not of the Holy Spirit= Spirit of Truth. Beware of this false grace doctrine called "hyper grace" which is of the world and is not of the One True God.
Clearly we see by the above nonsense they believe there are 2 different words being spoken, thus 2 different gods in their minds.
This confused way of thinking is of the world, and is of the spirit of this world, and is not of the Holy Spirit= Spirit of Truth. Beware of this false grace doctrine called "hyper grace" which is of the world and is not of the One True God.
I have actually seen this idea floating around the forums. A person will say "Jesus didn't say..." and I say "God said it,its the same as Jesus saying it" and then there comes a weird argument. Thanks for sharing now I know what they are talking about.
The only way to God is through Jesus Christ (John 14:6)...the only way to Jesus Christ is by the Means of the Cross (Luke 14:27). The only way to the Cross is a denial of self (Luke 9:23). If any person tries to come any other way, Jesus says, "they are a thief and a robber" (John 10:1).
1. Jesus Christ is the source of all blessings.
2. The Cross is the means by which all blessings are given.
3. The object of our faith must be Christ and the Cross.
4. That being done, the Holy Spirit will greatly help us.
1. Jesus Christ is the source of all blessings.
2. The Cross is the means by which all blessings are given.
3. The object of our faith must be Christ and the Cross.
4. That being done, the Holy Spirit will greatly help us.
The Son of God is also known as the Word of God, word of the Lord, voice of the Lord, and the gospel that Abraham heard spoken to him. Those who testify to the Word of God ( Son of God ) that speaks words into their mind to write down or speak are called saints. A saint preaches the Word of God ( the Gospel ) to whoever the Father chose to listen to it and believe the words that they hear are coming from the Father, the Creator of everything.
Mark 1
14: Now after John was arrested, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of God,
15: and saying, "The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand; repent, and believe in the gospel."
John 7
13: Yet for fear of the Jews no one spoke openly of him.
14: About the middle of the feast Jesus went up into the temple and taught.
15: The Jews marveled at it, saying, "How is it that this man has learning, when he has never studied?"
16: So Jesus answered them, "My teaching is not mine, but his who sent me;
17: if any man's will is to do his will, he shall know whether the teaching is from God or whether I am speaking on my own authority.
18: He who speaks on his own authority seeks his own glory; but he who seeks the glory of him who sent him is true, and in him there is no falsehood.
John 12
49: For I have not spoken on my own authority; the Father who sent me has himself given me commandment what to say and what to speak.
50: And I know that his commandment is eternal life. What I say, therefore, I say as the Father has bidden me."
John 14
16: And I will pray the Father, and he will give you another Counselor, to be with you for ever,
17: even the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees him nor knows him; you know him, for he dwells with you, and will be in you.
23: Jesus answered him, "If a man loves me, he will keep my word, and my Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him.
24: He who does not love me does not keep my words; and the word which you hear is not mine but the Father's who sent me.
25: "These things I have spoken to you, while I am still with you.
26: But the Counselor, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you.
1 John 2
27: but the anointing which you received from him abides in you, and you have no need that any one should teach you; as his anointing teaches you about everything, and is true, and is no lie, just as it has taught you, abide in him.
Romans 10
8: But what does it say? The word is near you, on your lips and in your heart (that is, the word of faith which we preach);
15: And how can men preach unless they are sent? As it is written, "How beautiful are the feet of those who preach good news!"
16: But they have not all obeyed the gospel; for Isaiah says, "Lord, who has believed what he has heard from us?"
17: So faith comes from what is heard, and what is heard comes by the preaching of Christ.
18: But I ask, have they not heard? Indeed they have; for "Their voice has gone out to all the earth, and their words to the ends of the world."
John 5:
25: "Truly, truly, I say to you, the hour is coming, and now is, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those who hear will live.
26: For as the Father has life in himself, so he has granted the Son also to have life in himself,
27: and has given him authority to execute judgment, because he is the Son of man.
28: Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming when all who are in the tombs will hear his voice.
37: And the Father who sent me has himself borne witness to me. His voice you have never heard, his form you have never seen;
1 Thessolonians 14: For we know, brethren beloved by God, that he has chosen you;
5: for our gospel came to you not only in word, but also in power and in the Holy Spirit and with full conviction. You know what kind of men we proved to be among you for your sake.
6: And you became imitators of us and of the Lord, for you received the word in much affliction, with joy inspired by the Holy Spirit;
2 Timothy 2
7: Think over what I say, for the Lord will grant you understanding in everything.
8: Remember Jesus Christ, risen from the dead, descended from David, as preached in my gospel,
9: the gospel for which I am suffering and wearing fetters like a criminal. But the word of God is not fettered.
John 1
1: In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2: He was in the beginning with God;
3: all things were made through him, and without him was not anything made that was made.
4: In him was life, and the life was the light of men.
The flesh is not the Word of God. The words that Jesus and all other servants of God called prophets and saints that come from the Word of God is what gives life to all God's people and beasts. It's also known as the Breath of Life, or Tree of Life.
John 6
63: It is the spirit that gives life, the flesh is of no avail; the words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life.
Mark 1
14: Now after John was arrested, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of God,
15: and saying, "The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand; repent, and believe in the gospel."
John 7
13: Yet for fear of the Jews no one spoke openly of him.
14: About the middle of the feast Jesus went up into the temple and taught.
15: The Jews marveled at it, saying, "How is it that this man has learning, when he has never studied?"
16: So Jesus answered them, "My teaching is not mine, but his who sent me;
17: if any man's will is to do his will, he shall know whether the teaching is from God or whether I am speaking on my own authority.
18: He who speaks on his own authority seeks his own glory; but he who seeks the glory of him who sent him is true, and in him there is no falsehood.
John 12
49: For I have not spoken on my own authority; the Father who sent me has himself given me commandment what to say and what to speak.
50: And I know that his commandment is eternal life. What I say, therefore, I say as the Father has bidden me."
John 14
16: And I will pray the Father, and he will give you another Counselor, to be with you for ever,
17: even the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees him nor knows him; you know him, for he dwells with you, and will be in you.
23: Jesus answered him, "If a man loves me, he will keep my word, and my Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him.
24: He who does not love me does not keep my words; and the word which you hear is not mine but the Father's who sent me.
25: "These things I have spoken to you, while I am still with you.
26: But the Counselor, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you.
1 John 2
27: but the anointing which you received from him abides in you, and you have no need that any one should teach you; as his anointing teaches you about everything, and is true, and is no lie, just as it has taught you, abide in him.
Romans 10
8: But what does it say? The word is near you, on your lips and in your heart (that is, the word of faith which we preach);
15: And how can men preach unless they are sent? As it is written, "How beautiful are the feet of those who preach good news!"
16: But they have not all obeyed the gospel; for Isaiah says, "Lord, who has believed what he has heard from us?"
17: So faith comes from what is heard, and what is heard comes by the preaching of Christ.
18: But I ask, have they not heard? Indeed they have; for "Their voice has gone out to all the earth, and their words to the ends of the world."
John 5:
25: "Truly, truly, I say to you, the hour is coming, and now is, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those who hear will live.
26: For as the Father has life in himself, so he has granted the Son also to have life in himself,
27: and has given him authority to execute judgment, because he is the Son of man.
28: Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming when all who are in the tombs will hear his voice.
37: And the Father who sent me has himself borne witness to me. His voice you have never heard, his form you have never seen;
1 Thessolonians 14: For we know, brethren beloved by God, that he has chosen you;
5: for our gospel came to you not only in word, but also in power and in the Holy Spirit and with full conviction. You know what kind of men we proved to be among you for your sake.
6: And you became imitators of us and of the Lord, for you received the word in much affliction, with joy inspired by the Holy Spirit;
2 Timothy 2
7: Think over what I say, for the Lord will grant you understanding in everything.
8: Remember Jesus Christ, risen from the dead, descended from David, as preached in my gospel,
9: the gospel for which I am suffering and wearing fetters like a criminal. But the word of God is not fettered.
John 1
1: In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2: He was in the beginning with God;
3: all things were made through him, and without him was not anything made that was made.
4: In him was life, and the life was the light of men.
The flesh is not the Word of God. The words that Jesus and all other servants of God called prophets and saints that come from the Word of God is what gives life to all God's people and beasts. It's also known as the Breath of Life, or Tree of Life.
John 6
63: It is the spirit that gives life, the flesh is of no avail; the words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life.
H
first of all the word Grace in the NT is quite different from that of the OT
Grace in the OT was God's unmerited favor towards man; God giving man what he doesn't deserve but In the NT the Grace of God is a person-Christ! God freely and unconditionally gave His Grace(Christ) as a gift to the world.
Jesus is both the grace gift and the giver in one package.
if you don't understand this, you will see grace as something( and not person) that God gives; just as you have mentioned above.
another point of correction!! The love of God is not one of His attributes!! no wonder religion cannot comprehend the unconditional love of God! God does not have love; He is love; His( essence(being) is love!!!! and Also, every attribute of God flows from His love which is His being!!!!
Grace in the OT was God's unmerited favor towards man; God giving man what he doesn't deserve but In the NT the Grace of God is a person-Christ! God freely and unconditionally gave His Grace(Christ) as a gift to the world.
Jesus is both the grace gift and the giver in one package.
if you don't understand this, you will see grace as something( and not person) that God gives; just as you have mentioned above.
another point of correction!! The love of God is not one of His attributes!! no wonder religion cannot comprehend the unconditional love of God! God does not have love; He is love; His( essence(being) is love!!!! and Also, every attribute of God flows from His love which is His being!!!!
H
God is Family of Father, Son and Holy Spirit. The Father, Son and Holy Spirit are one in essence, yet distincted from each other. The Father is not the Son, the Son is not the Father and the Holy spirit is neither the Son nor the Father, Yet they are one in Essence; one God in three hypo-stasis; that is, one God in communion of three persons, known as the PERECHORESIS of the Godhead. The three in one and the one in three!