Why are all men not saved?
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I'm not sure what you mean by Grace Is Irresistible unless you are talking about gifts and calling are without repentance meaning whether you are saved or not whatever gift you are born with naturally of the flesh Is normal.
Someone might say,that child Is blessed!
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Some people are born smart and might be valedictorian.
Although It has always been Grace through faith,before JESUS came to earth manifested to the flesh to fulfill the law as a man man had to be righteous to GOD In his own strength but since JESUS came and died on the cross for sin on our behalf Grace has now been made available where before,man had to be perfect In his own strength but could not because of the weakness of his flesh,so now the Issue at hand concerning ALL men for salvation Is faith by GRACE.
But man can choose whether to believe or not but Grace HAS been made available
Someone might say,that child Is blessed!
IE
Some people are born smart and might be valedictorian.
Although It has always been Grace through faith,before JESUS came to earth manifested to the flesh to fulfill the law as a man man had to be righteous to GOD In his own strength but since JESUS came and died on the cross for sin on our behalf Grace has now been made available where before,man had to be perfect In his own strength but could not because of the weakness of his flesh,so now the Issue at hand concerning ALL men for salvation Is faith by GRACE.But man can choose whether to believe or not but Grace HAS been made available
Yes its a free gift.
But the One who gives it freely does not just give out willy nilly to any and everyone. Otherwise nobody would perish.
Grace, a.k.a Favor / Acceptance, is given to those whom He feels are worthy of it.
Its not that everyone can go out and "freely" obtain grace. Nor can you go out and "earn" it. Its that He gives it freely...to whom He desires to give it to.
Theres a difference.
But the One who gives it freely does not just give out willy nilly to any and everyone. Otherwise nobody would perish.
Grace, a.k.a Favor / Acceptance, is given to those whom He feels are worthy of it.
Its not that everyone can go out and "freely" obtain grace. Nor can you go out and "earn" it. Its that He gives it freely...to whom He desires to give it to.
Theres a difference.
Yes God desires that all men be saved. Just as I desire that all violence cease in the world.
But it doesn't mean that either are going to happen.
What do you think Grace means exactly? Can you give an alternate word that i can replace "grace" with in your statement, and still make sense of it?
If you look in a dictionary, alternate words for grace, as referred to in the bible, are:
Favor, approval, approbation, acceptance, commendation etc.
But it doesn't mean that either are going to happen.
What do you think Grace means exactly? Can you give an alternate word that i can replace "grace" with in your statement, and still make sense of it?
If you look in a dictionary, alternate words for grace, as referred to in the bible, are:
Favor, approval, approbation, acceptance, commendation etc.
Matt 13:3 And he spake many things unto them in parables, saying, Behold, a sower went forth to sow;
(NOTE: The Holy Spirit is the sower)
4 And when he sowed, some seeds fell by the way side, and the fowls came and devoured them up:
(NOTE: The seed is the Word of God = Jesus Christ, his sin atoning work & resurrection)
5 Some fell upon stony places, where they had not much earth: and forthwith they sprung up, because they had no deepness of earth:
6 And when the sun was up, they were scorched; and because they had no root, they withered away.
7 And some fell among thorns; and the thorns sprung up, and choked them:
8 But other fell into good ground, and brought forth fruit, some an hundredfold, some sixtyfold, some thirtyfold.
(NOTE: The stony places, scorched place with no root, thorny place & Good Ground is the individual heart of man)
John 12:32 Jesus said; 32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.
(NOTE: Jesus was in fact, lifted up on the Cross)
Romans 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
(NOTE: The Holy Spirit reveals Christ to all)
21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
(NOTE: Everyone makes a choice Believe in & trust Christ or reject him)
22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
(NOTE: The wrong choice is the result explained: Verse 22-25)
23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
(NOTE: The Holy Spirit is the sower)
4 And when he sowed, some seeds fell by the way side, and the fowls came and devoured them up:
(NOTE: The seed is the Word of God = Jesus Christ, his sin atoning work & resurrection)
5 Some fell upon stony places, where they had not much earth: and forthwith they sprung up, because they had no deepness of earth:
6 And when the sun was up, they were scorched; and because they had no root, they withered away.
7 And some fell among thorns; and the thorns sprung up, and choked them:
8 But other fell into good ground, and brought forth fruit, some an hundredfold, some sixtyfold, some thirtyfold.
(NOTE: The stony places, scorched place with no root, thorny place & Good Ground is the individual heart of man)
John 12:32 Jesus said; 32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.
(NOTE: Jesus was in fact, lifted up on the Cross)
Romans 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
(NOTE: The Holy Spirit reveals Christ to all)
21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
(NOTE: Everyone makes a choice Believe in & trust Christ or reject him)
22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
(NOTE: The wrong choice is the result explained: Verse 22-25)
23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
Ya can't have it both ways. Either we are responsible for our belief/unbelief, making salvation a choice WE MAKE, or God is in charge of our belief/unbelief, meaning we have nothing to do with our own salvation (lest any man boast of his works).
And the 'you are of course incorrect' is unnecessary. Share your opinions about scripture and keep the personal barbs to yourself. Unless you want to be shown once again how incorrect you are.
Deal? We talk scripture and leave personal insults out of it?
And the 'you are of course incorrect' is unnecessary. Share your opinions about scripture and keep the personal barbs to yourself. Unless you want to be shown once again how incorrect you are.
Deal? We talk scripture and leave personal insults out of it?
Are you saying that the Father in heaven has already drawn everyone. I purpose that most haven't yet been called. God is not trying to save the world, at this time. God doesn't try anything.
The Pricks in Acts 9:5
Pricks = G2759
κέντρον
kentron
ken'-tron
From κεντέω kenteō (to prick); a point (“centre”), that is, a sting (figuratively poison) or goad (figuratively divine impulse): - prick, sting.
The Pricks in Acts 9:5
Pricks = G2759
κέντρον
kentron
ken'-tron
From κεντέω kenteō (to prick); a point (“centre”), that is, a sting (figuratively poison) or goad (figuratively divine impulse): - prick, sting.
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No... Where did you get that from? My post about the way that one obtains a gift is by accepting a gift...
Like how can you possibly interpret my post to be commenting that the Father in heaven has already drawn everyone??????
I usually get upset when people try and put words into my mouth words that i have never ever said..
I can handle people quoting me and rejecting what i have said and arguing against it with their own points.. But when people make up stuff that is totally unrelated to what i have said then put it down as if it is my stance and then attack me for a position i have not stated that's when i get very indignant...
So if you want to reply to my points then fair enough quote me and respond to what i have said.. But if you want to make up stuff and project it as being what i have said when i never said it then that's just bearing false witness against the brethren and you can expect me to put you on ignore very quickly indeed...
DO NOT PUT WORDS INTO MY MOUTH...
Like how can you possibly interpret my post to be commenting that the Father in heaven has already drawn everyone??????
I usually get upset when people try and put words into my mouth words that i have never ever said..
I can handle people quoting me and rejecting what i have said and arguing against it with their own points.. But when people make up stuff that is totally unrelated to what i have said then put it down as if it is my stance and then attack me for a position i have not stated that's when i get very indignant...
So if you want to reply to my points then fair enough quote me and respond to what i have said.. But if you want to make up stuff and project it as being what i have said when i never said it then that's just bearing false witness against the brethren and you can expect me to put you on ignore very quickly indeed...
DO NOT PUT WORDS INTO MY MOUTH...
I don't believe He gives it to any whom He sees worthy, who is worthy of His grace?
Neither do I believe He gives it to anyone He desires to give it too, I believe He desires to give it to everyone but not everyone knows its available or want it.
I don't believe if someone sincerely asks that He wouldn't give it, not sure if you meant it that way but anyway.
Neither do I believe He gives it to anyone He desires to give it too, I believe He desires to give it to everyone but not everyone knows its available or want it.
I don't believe if someone sincerely asks that He wouldn't give it, not sure if you meant it that way but anyway.
Because of free will. The whole of life is s test. You choose to accept Christ; you don't get forced by grace in some election. The elect is the "ones who chose" or better the chosen. It's not the people predestinated as individuals, it's the whole group. Which is to say the plan to save people was predestinated. God foresaw he would have a new testament Church.