Why are the Gospels written in third person?

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4enlightment

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RowdyRoddy said:
I understand that but due to the time of Jesus' death (around 30AD) to the first
gospel Mark being written (late 60's to 70AD) that's about a 40 year gap.

Can you remember the exact words someone said just 10 years ago?
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John 14:26But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you.
 
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4enlightment said:
John 14:26But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you.
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I remember wondering about Jesus’ prayer in the garden of Gethsemane. If he was alone, then how did we come to have his exact words? Once I saw that, then I noticed it in other instances as well. How were certain events written with such detail when the people were apparently alone at the time? Did Jesus then go and tell someone his prayer word for word? I think what shook me about that particular prayer was that it had never occurred to me to wonder about it before! I just took it at face value that he said that prayer with those words. I never questioned how a private prayer somehow made it into a Bible written decades later.
 
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RowdyRoddy said:
I remember wondering about Jesus’ prayer in the garden of Gethsemane. If he was alone, then how did we come to have his exact words? Once I saw that, then I noticed it in other instances as well. How were certain events written with such detail when the people were apparently alone at the time? Did Jesus then go and tell someone his prayer word for word? I think what shook me about that particular prayer was that it had never occurred to me to wonder about it before! I just took it at face value that he said that prayer with those words. I never questioned how a private prayer somehow made it into a Bible written decades later.
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Notice how the book of Genesis was written by Moses. God reveals, like the scripture 4enlightened posted, the Holy Spirit teaches us all things and helps us remember all things.
 
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RowdyRoddy said:
I understand that but due to the time of Jesus' death (around 30AD) to the first
gospel Mark being written (late 60's to 70AD) that's about a 40 year gap.

Can you remember the exact words someone said just 10 years ago?
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Dating the extant manuscripts has no bearing upon the truth contained in them.

That would be like saying that the Genesis creation account is inaccurate because it was written billions of years AFTER the events took place.
 
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RowdyRoddy said:
Obviously biased? What about your info? It was my understanding that Mark was the
earliest gospel written and Matthew and Luke took parts from Mark.

Where do you get Matthew 45AD from?

One of the internal clues to the date of Mark's Gospel is at Mark 13:2, where Jesus was said to prophesy the destruction of the Temple, an event that occurred in 70 CE. According to Mark, Jesus went on to predict the end of the world within the lifetime of his followers. If Jesus had really prophesied the destruction of the Temple, he would have been correct, but he would have been in error about the imminent end of times. Since it can not be accepted that Jesus made predictions that were capable of being in error, these prophecies must have originated with Mark, writing at a time when he would have known of the destruction or imminent destruction of the temple. Other references in this Gospel indicate that it could not have been written much after 70 CE.
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Ah, I see the problem now. I assumed you were a believer, so I spoke to you like a brother. If you don't believe in prophecy, there is no use debating dates with you. Just read through the Book of John, and you will know the Good News. Salvation cannot be found in debates of history or college level word studies. Salvation is found by faith in Christ alone, that He died for your sin, and rose from the dead.
It seems that Christ is working on your heart, judging by your questions. I can prove to you the historical accuracy of the Gospels, but that is useless unless you have faith in what the Gospels say.
 
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LT said:
Ah, I see the problem now. I assumed you were a believer, so I spoke to you like a brother. If you don't believe in prophecy, there is no use debating dates with you. Just read through the Book of John, and you will know the Good News. Salvation cannot be found in debates of history or college level word studies. Salvation is found by faith in Christ alone, that He died for your sin, and rose from the dead.
It seems that Christ is working on your heart, judging by your questions. I can prove to you the historical accuracy of the Gospels, but that is useless unless you have faith in what the Gospels say.
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Sorry, I guess I'm going through a doubting phase. There's just too many
inconsistencies.
 
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RowdyRoddy said:
Sorry, I guess I'm going through a doubting phase. There's just too many
inconsistencies.
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Once you're at the state of being skeptical, you will always try to find fault. You need to let the Spirit lead you through it with an open mind. The evidence for this is consistent, you're seeing it with a closed perspective.
 
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Bowman said:
Dating the extant manuscripts has no bearing upon the truth contained in them.

That would be like saying that the Genesis creation account is inaccurate because it was written billions of years AFTER the events took place.
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Billions? I don't think so.
 
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RowdyRoddy said:
Sorry, I guess I'm going through a doubting phase. There's just too many
inconsistencies.
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Doubting is one thing, but you rejected Matt. being written by 45 ad, based on Jesus' prophecy actually being fulfilled?
That is not doubt. That is rejection.
How can 3 early church writers, in different parts of the known world, have referenced Matthew's Gospel by name and by word, multiple times before the fall of Jerusalem, if it was written afterwards?
 
Bowman

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Bryancampbell said:
Are we talking about mankind, the earth, heaven, what? Moses' grandfather was Levi son of Israel.
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That the earth and the Universe are Billions of years old is undeniable....the fact that it is this old makes RR's assertion even more laughable as an accurate description of it was penned so long after the events took place.

Much more impressive than stating thousands of years after the events....
 
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LT said:
Doubting is one thing, but you rejected Matt. being written by 45 ad, based on Jesus' prophecy actually being fulfilled?
That is not doubt. That is rejection.
How can 3 early church writers, in different parts of the known world, have referenced Matthew's Gospel by name and by word, multiple times before the fall of Jerusalem, if it was written afterwards?
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Actually it was 70 Ad, Luke's gospel and Acts were written 75-90 AD, and Matthew from 80-90. 35-70 I believe is when oral tradition was being used before it was recorded.
 
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Bowman said:
Even YEC's think the earth looks old.

Don't make excuses for it...just accept it.....:)
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Did God say He created Adam as a baby, or as a man? As a man. Therefore, God created Adam fully mature. Why would God create an immature planet for Adam to live on? Therefore, it is logical for God to have created the world in a mature state, because He created everything else in a mature state.
 
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Bowman said:
That the earth and the Universe are Billions of years old is undeniable....the fact that it is this old makes RR's assertion even more laughable as an accurate description of it was penned so long after the events took place.

Much more impressive than stating thousands of years after the events....
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Mmm, what about genealogy in the bible. 6000 years makes a whole lot more sense. I can't imagine this world existing for billion, or even more than a million years. It just doesn't fit. Billion sounds ridiculous.
 
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LT said:
Did God say He created Adam as a baby, or as a man? As a man. Therefore, God created Adam fully mature. Why would God create an immature planet for Adam to live on? Therefore, it is logical for God to have created the world in a mature state, because He created everything else in a mature state.
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The Hebrew indicates that very long passages of time expired from the time that Adam was created until God created Eve.

That is because God raised Adam from birth.

According to your reasoning, then Eve would likewise have been created a full grown woman...however, the text has Eve being separated apart from Adam until she was an adult....that is why Adam exclaims...'At long last!'
 
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Bryancampbell said:
Mmm, what about genealogy in the bible. 6000 years makes a whole lot more sense. I can't imagine this world existing for billion, or even more than a million years. It just doesn't fit. Billion sounds ridiculous.
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The Bible never says to sum the genealogies in the first place.

The most proven principles in all of physics tell us that the universe is billions of years old....I wish that believers in scripture would accept the fact that the Bible agrees with an ancient world...
 
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Bowman said:
The Hebrew indicates that very long passages of time expired from the time that Adam was created until God created Eve.

That is because God raised Adam from birth.

According to your reasoning, then Eve would likewise have been created a full grown woman...however, the text has Eve being separated apart from Adam until she was an adult....that is why Adam exclaims...'At long last!'
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Why would any guy/girl say 'at long last' after 2 min receiving a text from his/her crush. Lol. Hebrew word for day could also mean long periods time, but in this case in its interpretation it's literally 24 hours. So the it happened within 24 hours.
 
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