Why did Adam sin?

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Nehemiah6

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Actually Adam had to have been created with a nature to sin because he did sin.
It would be more appropriate to say that Adam was created with free will (as was Eve). That meant the ability to make sinful choices or righteous choices. The same applied to the angels when they were created. And even after the fall, human beings are created with a conscience. And the conscience can direct men to make evil or good choices (Rom 2:10-16)..
 

posthuman

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With all the intelligence Adam had (he named all the animals without hesitation)

he wasn't a fool - probably wiser than any man until Solomon

not in any way to say that taking the fruit wasn't sin, but i doubt very much that he did it without considering - and knowing - the consequences both of eating and of not eating it.


 

posthuman

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The word you are looking for is "Love" Adam cared so much for Eve that though he knew eve had done wrong he partook of the fruit Eve gave,for he wished not to be divided with her.
You're a man ever "loved" a woman?...


Amazing Y-shua said the Torah is summed up in these two things ... The first one is, Love the Lord your G-d with all your heart and all your soul ...
Maybe it was a Romeo and Juliet type thing.. if he took God at His word and figured Eve would die at some point, why not go too..

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as Christ loved the church, and gave His life for her . . "

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I have heard all the addages concerning why....and can one answer biblically with 100% certainty? Before they ate they were indifferent to both good and evil....is there a verse which states is was because he loved Eve? God began reconciling the world unto himself BEFORE he even cast the world down in creation.....maybe it was all planned.....maybe, maybe, maybe.......maybe God will have to fill us in to the what's, how's, when's and why's..........
 

posthuman

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as Christ loved the church, and gave His life for her . . "

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not that it wasn't sin, or that it was righteousness, but that does make a lot of sense, and fits with Adam being a type - which is an imperfect likeness - of Jesus
 
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Zi

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We don't know all Adam knew, how long he'd been living.. what did his risk assessment sound like.. interesting
 

prove-all

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The teaching of the two trees was the first test mankind faced. Adam and Eve’s
first major decision was to choose which of the two trees they would eat from.

That decision set the course of human civilization!

If Adam had taken from the tree of life, he would have eaten fruit
produced by the tree with God at its roots and received the Spirit
of God. Eating from the tree of life meant obeying God, accepting
God’s revealed knowledge; obeying God’s word. If Adam had taken
the tree of life, God would have revealed His way of living—to Adam.

The tree of life symbolized the way of God, the law of God, the knowledge of God.

If Adam had eaten from that tree, mankind could have thrived on the fruits produced
by the tree of life; he would have been given access to the Spirit of God and developed
the mind of God. Peace, abundance, joy and stability could have encompassed the Earth

But eating from the tree of death meant taking of fruit produced by
the spirit of Satan, originating from Satan at its roots. Satan rejected
God and decided for himself what was right and wrong.

By eating from Satan’s tree, Adam made it his prerogative to decide what
was good and evil, right and wrong. Adam made the choice and that mankind
was to be influenced and led by the spirit of the devil.

If he made the decision to eat from this tree, he would be eating the fruits created by
the spirit of Satan, a spirit of envy, vanity, self-centered lust that results in sickness,
violence, jealous rage and, ultimately, death.

What happened on that day in the Garden of Eden is God wants
the two trees to be the premise on which we build our knowledge:

THIS WORLD IS FILLED WITH EVIDENCE SHOWING WHAT TREE ADAM ATE FROM!
 

Magenta

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Well you can't really separate the one from the other. With all the intelligence Adam had (he named all the animals without hesitation) he could have built a fence around the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. He was given stewardship of the garden of Eden, and that should have been his first priority. He could even have posted a sign on that fence.
"Putting a fence around the commandments" is what the Pharisees did.

Jesus obviously disapproved of the practice :D
 

mcubed

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as Christ loved the church, and gave His life for her . . "

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I want to say G-d vs. human with free will... Yet Y-shua had it to His prayer in the garden. And Thank G-d, G-d stepped down and became man and His covenant with Abraham was between Himself or we would have NEVER been redeemed! One of the great mysteries! How as a man did G-d choose not to sin!?!

 
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Ariel82

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In Genesis 3 God revealed His plan to redeem humanity in the Seed, who is Christ Jesus.
 
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Zi

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The ability to make choices is more about God wanting to be surrounded by those who choose to choose Him.
It's not so much evil and good.. it's God or not God.
It would be more appropriate to say that Adam was created with free will (as was Eve). That meant the ability to make sinful choices or righteous choices. The same applied to the angels when they were created. And even after the fall, human beings are created with a conscience. And the conscience can direct men to make evil or good choices (Rom 2:10-16)..
 
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Ariel82

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God = good

Not God = evil

?????

Anyone else confused?

It's not so much evil and good.. it's God or not God.
 

Desertsrose

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he wasn't a fool - probably wiser than any man until Solomon

not in any way to say that taking the fruit wasn't sin, but i doubt very much that he did it without considering - and knowing - the consequences both of eating and of not eating it.


Here's what God said after Adam ate.

Genesis 3:17-19
Then to Adam He said, “Because you have listened to the voice of your wife, and have eaten from the tree about which I commanded you, saying, ‘You shall not eat from it’;
Cursed is the ground because of you;
In toil you will eat of it
All the days of your life.
“Both thorns and thistles it shall grow for you;
And you will eat the plants of the field;
By the sweat of your face
You will eat bread,
Till you return to the ground,
Because from it you were taken;
For you are dust,
And to dust you shall return.”

It appears that Adam's sin was the fact that God told Adam not to eat from that tree and he allowed his wife to convince him to be disobedient.

And look at Hosea.

Hosea 6:1-7

Come, let us return to the Lord.
For He has torn us, but He will heal us;
He has wounded us, but He will bandage us.
“He will revive us after two days;
He will raise us up on the third day,
That we may live before Him.
“So let us know, let us press on to know the Lord.
His going forth is as certain as the dawn;
And He will come to us like the rain,
Like the spring rain watering the earth.”
What shall I do with you, O Ephraim?
What shall I do with you, O Judah?
For your loyalty is like a morning cloud
And like the dew which goes away early.
Therefore I have hewn them in pieces by the prophets;
I have slain them by the words of My mouth;
And the judgments on you are like the light that goes forth.
For I delight in loyalty rather than sacrifice,
And in the knowledge of God rather than burnt offerings.
But like Adam they have transgressed the covenant;
There they have dealt treacherously against Me.


The sin of Ephraim and Judah are likened unto the sin of Adam. God says that Adam transgressed the covenant he made with him and calls his action as dealing treacherously with God.
 
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joefizz

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I don't buy it.

Eve sinned because she was curious? Adam sinned because he loved Eve?

Why couldn't Adam have sinned for the same reason as Eve?

Are you saying Adam loved Eve more tha, he loved God?

Does that make Eve his idol?

That kind of feeling may be what the world calls love but it itsnt God's agape love,

Magenta raises a good point about how Eve added to God's commandment to NOt TOUCH..
.I wonder if she touched the fruit and nothing happened and that's why she ate it.

.I wonder how many "touch" at sins before commiting then like disobedient children who test their limits to see if their parents will actually punish them?
That's fine though it's about the only explanation that "makes sense" for as post human posted "why did adam sin"?
He didn't around the animals or God,even when there was no help meet for him he did not sin,so how is it that he sinned,when Eve brought him fruit of the tree of good and evil?
it is not written that "he" was curious and you notice that the serpent aka satan beguiled Eve not Adam because it just stands to reason that Adam couldn't be tempted into disobeying God through curiousity or otherwise so he sought Eve because she knew not of all that God had commanded Adam,so it stands to reason that Adam out of love for Eve accepted and ate the fruit she gave knowing that if he didn't that she would be torn with him and though he indeed loved God he couldn't bring himself to deny her,think on it why was satan allowed to be in the garden of Eden in the first place?
Because God could not bring himself to destroy Satan,it's not a matter of who loves who the most it's a matter of not wanting to be torn with loved ones yet sometimes you inevitably will be,just like with Adam and Eve,Adam didn't disobey God out of spite he did so because he could see no way for himself to turn her away without her being divided with him there after,Love is not cut and dry,it is one of the most tough things that will either lift you up or tear you down,I suspect if I had a help meet that I would find myself torn somewhat,because no matter whom Cares for God,Love is not simple,it can divide or unite,God understands that we won't always do wholly right for him all the time especially when we find our help meet,Adam was no different God realized why Adam had submitted to Eve,and so though he punished,Adam,Eve,and the serpent(satan) notice none were destroyed for none could God bring himself to destroy,that is Love,Mercy and Compassion even when one is worthy of death,God is truly to be praised and "Loved".
 

kaijo

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I dont see where it says that Eve told Adam that the fruit was from the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil.

For all Adam knew, it could have been from any of the trees.

But, once he ate it... then he would have realized what tree it was from.

GOD said to Adam:

"Of every tree of the garden you may freely eat;but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die."

Adam (or GOD) repeated this to Eve afterwards.

..and because Adam most likely had no idea what death was (death wouldn't have existed at that time on the earth i assume..) ..he likely didn't realize the seriousness of the consequences.

The same would apply to Eve also, when the serpent said "You will not surely die."

She would have been like "what does die mean anywayz?".

So, how could Adam or Eve have known it was evil... to disobey GODS instructions... until after they ate from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil? ^^".

In the end...i think it boils down to... neither of them had experienced deceit before... and therefore, had no reason to believe that the serpent intended to do them harm. (If they even knew what harm even was ^^").
 
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joefizz

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"
as Christ loved the church, and gave His life for her . . "

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I see you realize that many an important "place" God has referred to as "her" very good,keep up with the studying as should we all.
 

OneFaith

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Adam sinned for the same reason we all do- he gave in to a tempting thought. Although he tried, we have no one to blame but ourself.
 

Desertsrose

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It would be more appropriate to say that Adam was created with free will (as was Eve). That meant the ability to make sinful choices or righteous choices. The same applied to the angels when they were created. And even after the fall, human beings are created with a conscience. And the conscience can direct men to make evil or good choices (Rom 2:10-16)..
Hi Nehemiah,

Yes, I believe that too - that they were created with a free will to obey or not to obey. Thanks for that reminder. :)

Adam failed because He didn't do the Father's will, He chose His own way which is a sinful act. I believe that he sinned because it was in his nature to do so. If he had the nature of perfection, he would not have sinned and his desire would have been to live completely for the Father to do His will.

The word good (tob) means pleasant, agreeable, or good but not perfect. Tamim means finished, complete, perfect. It means thoroughly made or brought to successful completion, but still not morally perfect.

I just can't see anyway at all that Adam didn't have within his nature not only the capacity to sin, but also the will to sin because his desires came in conflict with God's will.


 

Locutus

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There is no reason to assume from the Genesis account that physical death was not happening - the place would have been overrun by animals if there wasn't. Think about...

Don't try and overthink the account.