Why did Adam sin?

[JesusLives]

Hi Bones,


Actually Adam had to have been created with a nature to sin because he did sin. So that was in his nature to disobey God's command to not eat of the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. He could eat everything else to his hearts content. But he wanted what God said he couldn't have.

I think Adam like the rest of us was created with the power of choice. Each day we all choose whether we will sin or not. God didn't create robots that would obey God created humans to choose to obey.

I don't believe Adam wanted the fruit from the forbidden tree I believe he wanted to be with Eve no matter what. Therefore he ate from the tree because I don't think he trusted God to have a solution to this problem of Eve having eaten from the tree. Things might have been much different if he had talked to God about what Eve had done before he ate the fruit.

 

[Nehemiah6]

I didn’t say there wasn’t an Adam and an Eve. Nor did I claim that everything wasn’t created by God. What I’m saying is that the story of fruit, a snake and the “curse” are allegory.

Well if the people are real then the events are real, not symbolic of something else, or having another meaning.

 

[oldhermit]

Adam was not deceived - Eve was.
((1 Timothy 2:14))

so why did Adam - an unfallen, sinless man, undeceived, eat of the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil?

not for lack of knowledge - God commanded him directly not to do this thing ((Genesis 2:17)).
not because of having sin nature, like all of us were born with - he was not fallen.
not because of being deceived, like all of us have been, and Eve also - he was not deceived.

why then?

He sinned because he violated the Lord's prohibition of the tree. He knew better.

 

[PHart]

I believe Adam was like a lot of us. He didn't trust God. He was in love with Eve and God said they would die if they ate the fruit and I don't believe that Adam could see a life without Eve so he ate the fruit also knowing it was against what God had told him.

God could have created another mate for Adam....I just think it boils down to not trusting God to have the best plan in place with the best outcome for man. Just my opinion or two cents worth.

The fact that he willingly ate, apparently to be with his bride, is what makes Adam a type of Christ. Just as Adam willingly took the penalty of sin upon himself to be with Eve, so Christ willingly took upon himself the penalty of sin to be with his bride, the church.

 

[Hungry]

Well if the people are real then the events are real, not symbolic of something else, or having another meaning.

Believe what you want, God explained it to me different.

 

[pottersclay]

Looking at Adam in the garden and asking why should prompt you to look at at the second Adam in the garden then give thanks.

The first Adam looked at Eve as his one and only love, sourse of happiness, his everything. Participating in the disobedience unto sin he chose to eat of the fruit she offered and die with her . Not to be separated.

The second Adam (Jesus) chose to pay the penality of his eve ( the church) being sinless and not forfeiting his relationship but fulfilling the commandment of loving God with all your heart and all your might.

No greater love is found than this to lie down your life for another. Death was required had Adam offered himself to pay the penality then the higher love would of prevailed. That love was not found in Adam.

Adam considered his relationship with God secondary. Forgetting that God brought Eve to him (God the giver of life) and even creating Adam from dust (God the maker of life) did not seek the help of the Lord who is life himself.


I look at Eve as a type of church as Jesus is the second adam. Our sins were placed upon him but death could not hold him for he was sinless, therefore the debt is paid in full relationship between man and God reastablished and we are without excuse.

 

[Namiette]

My opinion is this: Adam (like a man) was surely given a strenght to protect his wife. And he didn't use it. He could interrupt the lies of the serpent when he saw that Eve was too weak to do so. But he chose to be passive. Eve was deceived because of her weakness and also because of Adam's weakness. He could have step in, protect her and stay faithful to God. He chose not to do so.

But this is only my opinion.

 

[MadebyHim]

[SUP]13 [/SUP]For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety. 1 Timothy 2

 

[JesusLives]

My opinion is this: Adam (like a man) was surely given a strenght to protect his wife. And he didn't use it. He could interrupt the lies of the serpent when he saw that Eve was too weak to do so. But he chose to be passive. Eve was deceived because of her weakness and also because of Adam's weakness. He could have step in, protect her and stay faithful to God. He chose not to do so.

But this is only my opinion.

The thing is that we don't know Adam was with Eve at the tree. Sounds like she was alone as I believe if Adam had been there he would have talked her out of eating the fruit... Where was Adam and why was Eve alone? Or was she? We don't know for sure. But sounds like she was alone at the tree.

 

[Namiette]

The thing is that we don't know Adam was with Eve at the tree. Sounds like she was alone as I believe if Adam had been there he would have talked her out of eating the fruit... Where was Adam and why was Eve alone? Or was she? We don't know for sure. But sounds like she was alone at the tree.

Yeah, we don't know for sure. We don't know, if she was alone at the tree and then she went to Adam to gave him a fruit, or if he was there with her. But what I wrote is my opinion, just a possibility. I wouldn't dare to say that this is only one true version

 

[OneFaith]

Adam was not deceived - Eve was.
((1 Timothy 2:14))

so why did Adam - an unfallen, sinless man, undeceived, eat of the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil?

not for lack of knowledge - God commanded him directly not to do this thing ((Genesis 2:17)).
not because of having sin nature, like all of us were born with - he was not fallen.
not because of being deceived, like all of us have been, and Eve also - he was not deceived.

why then?

Since Adam was not deceived, he knew full well what he was doing- that's even worse.

 

[posthuman]

I just can't see anyway at all that Adam didn't have within his nature not only the capacity to sin, but also the will to sin because his desires came in conflict with God's will.

Jah had given him the woman, to love, and as the scripture says a man 'will leave his father and mother and cling to his wife'

so the situation Adam faced was his wife with death in her, and he, without death -- there a conflict of will arose, and a choice to be made: to love Jah, and forsake his wife, or to love his wife, and "deal treacherously" with God.
((thank you for pointing me to Hosea!!))

Adam chose a certain path ((why??)) -- is this as Christ said, that unless we come to Him hating ((a literal translation is "loving less" - by using this word in comparison the implication isn't necessarily to detest, but to rank moral choices)) our husband or wife, even our own self, we cannot be His disciple . . ?

is Adam demonstrating this principle Christ opens up to us, at one of its extrema?

 

[posthuman]

adam was with eve when she was deceived its not as if He didnt Know it was happening. just my own thought when eve ate the fruit and didnt drop dead in front of adam, the deception spread then and there. His thinking " well she didnt die, the serpent must have been right might as well try it at least looks good...sounds good and shes alive and well mmm smells good..."

wouldn't this conflict with what's written in Timothy - Adam was not deceived ?

if so, it may be evidence to the contrary, that Adam could not have actually been present when the woman and the serpent conversed.

there is also, that i think, the definition of "die" that Satan insinuated to the woman is part of his deception, not equal to how Jah defines "die"

was it obvious to Adam what the woman had done when he saw her? could he 'smell death' in her?
keeping in mind that he "was not deceived" - if the implication of that should be carried through here, that assumption may naturally follow . . .

 

[posthuman]

eves for sure Knew what God said about the fruit satan asked her if God really said that and she responded rightly even indicating He said "dont even touch the tree or you will surely die." we have no record of God saying this, but it stands to reason were not given every Moment in the garden, Only what is relevant to those who would come to Christ.

it's true we're not given a complete record, and we need to assume because of this that what we are given is sufficient. because we know that it is the Spirit of God that breathes scripture, we should also assume that what we are given is precisely sufficient and necessary.

so we have two accounts of God's command - His own precise words to Adam, and Eve's own account of the command to Satan, in the context of the deception. they differ in two ways - God told Adam they may "freely eat" of the garden ((apart from that tree)), but Eve leaves out this detail. God did not tell Adam not to touch that tree, but Eve adds this.

aren't both of these - the omission and the addition - significant?
i see both omission and addition are significant aspects of sins and errors in myself, too, mirroring this

 

[JaumeJ]

Once I heard some words in my sleep......"Now the Children of Israel, while they were in the wilderness, were disobedient, and by their disobedience salvation was gained by the nations."

God's plan for all to be one with His chosen, as His chosen also. Had israel, the first Israel, been perfect no gentile could be saved,; it is not complex. Our Father wanted us with His people, and so we are by the Blood o fthe Passover Lamb He provided, Himself, for our sins.

It is just so beautiful. Adam, I would think and believe, also acted in our Father's will for us all. No, I have not a clue how , but I kow why...God is love, amen.

 

[posthuman]

He sinned because he violated the Lord's prohibition of the tree. He knew better.

this defines his sin, but not his motivation

 

[Favor63]

No one will really know why Adam sinned. What we do know is that his action brought sin into the perfect creation of God.
The Bible says when we sin we are drawn away by our own lust or desires. My theory on the matter is he was just plain stupid to disobey a direct command from God.

 

[oldhermit]

Believe what you want, God explained it to me different.

God has explained no such thing to you. A lot of people claim their view is the correct one because God has personally given them this view even when it stands diametrically opposed to the language of scripture. All this is, is an attempt to assign credibility to half-baked ideas, theories, or concepts that scripture clearly will not support. Anyone who makes the claim that God is directing them to accept something as truth that stands contrary to the written text is simply lying in attempt to establish credibility for themselves by extending credit for their ideas to God. Don't blame your humanistic approach to scripture on God.

 

[posthuman]

Believe what you want, God explained it to me different.

unless we stand in each other's shoes, we all see things from different angles -- the complete form is calculated from the integral over all directions; one angle doesn't necessary exclude another, but either adds or subtracts information to the calculation, if some obstruction to the complete view is alternately introduced or removed

 

[JaumeJ]

Be cause sin as has been known since Christ is usually thought of and defined as breaking the Lw, the law as written down by Moses, Adam, who is teh first sinner and had no written law was a sinner because he disobeyed our Father. I truly believe this was by design for the sake of Love, but that remains to be understood, a little mystery to be revealed.

So to the so-called modern believer, how could Adam have sinned at all if ther was no law? God's Word, though not written in stone, is law, and it is law observing faith, hope and love buy His children. God does not suggest we do anything. His wisdom is the only true wisdom, likewise His uinderstanding.

If God tells a child what to do, it is of love, wisdom and understanding, and those who do not yet believe see His command as LAW, but when we are made anew we understand this much, whatever God says is as described here, Love, Widson and understandign all the real deal, not some idealogical, philosophical or denominational dictate not even understood by its originators.

Praise God, bless His Wi9ll, He is worthy, not we.......amen.