Why did God choose Israel?

Chrysolite · May 3, 2015

Why God chose Israel? That is because they are in the bloodline of Adam beginning with his first born Seth. It is in this bloodline that the Savior will be born.

Luke 3

23Now Jesus himself was about thirty years old when he began his ministry. He was the son, so it was thought, of Joseph,

the son of Heli, 24the son of Matthat,
the son of Levi, the son of Melki,
the son of Jannai, the son of Joseph,
25the son of Mattathias, the son of Amos,
the son of Nahum, the son of Esli,
the son of Naggai, 26the son of Maath,
the son of Mattathias, the son of Semein,
the son of Josek, the son of Joda,
27the son of Joanan, the son of Rhesa,
the son of Zerubbabel, the son of Shealtiel,
the son of Neri, 28the son of Melki,
the son of Addi, the son of Cosam,
the son of Elmadam, the son of Er,
29the son of Joshua, the son of Eliezer,
the son of Jorim, the son of Matthat,
the son of Levi, 30the son of Simeon,
the son of Judah, the son of Joseph,
the son of Jonam, the son of Eliakim,
31the son of Melea, the son of Menna,
the son of Mattatha, the son of Nathan,
the son of David, 32the son of Jesse,
the son of Obed, the son of Boaz,
the son of Salmon,d the son of Nahshon,
33the son of Amminadab, the son of Ram,e
the son of Hezron, the son of Perez,
the son of Judah, 34 the son of Jacob, <----- ISRAEL
the son of Isaac, the son of Abraham,
the son of Terah, the son of Nahor,
35the son of Serug, the son of Reu,
the son of Peleg, the son of Eber,
the son of Shelah, 36the son of Cainan,
the son of Arphaxad, the son of Shem,
the son of Noah, the son of Lamech,
37the son of Methuselah, the son of Enoch,
the son of Jared, the son of Mahalalel,
the son of Kenan, 38the son of Enosh,
the son of Seth, the son of Adam,
the son of God.

Genesis 35:11 God said to him, "Your name is Jacob, but you will no longer be called Jacob; your name will be Israel." So he named him Israel.

Chrysolite · May 3, 2015

From this bloodline, it completes the circle - from God to God, from beginning to end, the Alpha and Omega, the First and the Last.

MarcR · May 3, 2015

jsr1221 said:

I believe that God chooses based on foreknowledge (without manipulation) of how we will respond to Him and particularly to Jesus.

What made God choose Jacob over Esau? In Genesis chapter 25, the birthright Esau despised included spiritual leadership of the family. God was also able to foresee Esau's connection with Islam including ISIS and the TALABAN.

why would God create someone just to send him/her to hell, In fact He does NOT do that. Jesus died on the cross to pay the penalty for all sin. Only rejection of God's provision for his/her sin can send a person to hell.

atwhatcost · May 3, 2015

jaybird88 said:

Nope. God hated Esau before he was born, so it wasn't what Esau did. It's what God did.

atwhatcost · May 3, 2015

Chrysolite said:

Why God chose Israel? That is because they are in the bloodline of Adam beginning with his first born Seth. It is in this bloodline that the Savior will be born.

Luke 3

23Now Jesus himself was about thirty years old when he began his ministry. He was the son, so it was thought, of Joseph,

the son of Heli, 24the son of Matthat,
the son of Levi, the son of Melki,
the son of Jannai, the son of Joseph,
25the son of Mattathias, the son of Amos,
the son of Nahum, the son of Esli,
the son of Naggai, 26the son of Maath,
the son of Mattathias, the son of Semein,
the son of Josek, the son of Joda,
27the son of Joanan, the son of Rhesa,
the son of Zerubbabel, the son of Shealtiel,
the son of Neri, 28the son of Melki,
the son of Addi, the son of Cosam,
the son of Elmadam, the son of Er,
29the son of Joshua, the son of Eliezer,
the son of Jorim, the son of Matthat,
the son of Levi, 30the son of Simeon,
the son of Judah, the son of Joseph,
the son of Jonam, the son of Eliakim,
31the son of Melea, the son of Menna,
the son of Mattatha, the son of Nathan,
the son of David, 32the son of Jesse,
the son of Obed, the son of Boaz,
the son of Salmon,d the son of Nahshon,
33the son of Amminadab, the son of Ram,e
the son of Hezron, the son of Perez,
the son of Judah, 34 the son of Jacob, <----- ISRAEL
the son of Isaac, the son of Abraham,
the son of Terah, the son of Nahor,
35the son of Serug, the son of Reu,
the son of Peleg, the son of Eber,
the son of Shelah, 36the son of Cainan,
the son of Arphaxad, the son of Shem,
the son of Noah, the son of Lamech,
37the son of Methuselah, the son of Enoch,
the son of Jared, the son of Mahalalel,
the son of Kenan, 38the son of Enosh,
the son of Seth, the son of Adam,
the son of God.

Genesis 35:11 God said to him, "Your name is Jacob, but you will no longer be called Jacob; your name will be Israel." So he named him Israel.

Um, everyone is from Adam's bloodline. lol

Chrysolite · May 3, 2015

atwhatcost said:

Everyone is from Adam's bloodline, but not everyone is under Seth's bloodline who is Adam's first born son.

oldthennew · May 3, 2015

DEAU. 10:15-16.
Only the Lord had a delight in your fathers to love them, and He chose their seed after them,
even you above all people, as it is this day.
Circumcise therefore the foreskin of your heart, and be no more stiffnecked.

He commands all from the beginning to Fear the Lord thy God;
Him shall you serve, and to Him shall you cleave, and swear by His name.'

the choosing of Israel does not indicate that God is a respecter of persons,
He even uses the term, 'you shall be cut off from your people'.

we know that scripture says that in the end all nations will be subservient to Israel,
they are the chief nation, chosen for God Almighty's Holy purpose -
this statement is true collectively, but individually, the Lord states,
ISAIAH 56:4-5.
For thus saith the Lord unto the eunuchs that keep My Sabbaths, and choose
the things that please Me, and take hold of My Covenant;
Even unto them will I give in Mine house and within My walls a place
and a name better than of sons and of daughters: I will give them an
everlasting name, that shall not be cut off....

Paul certainly gives us a dissertation on God's choosing one to be a pharaoh and one to be a Moses.

He does what He will, and who can stay His mighty hand???
as for me and my house -
we just want to be under it perpetually!!
amen.

CWJ · May 3, 2015

'And God said unto Abraham,
Let it not be grievous in thy sight because of the lad,
and because of thy bondwoman;
in all that Sarah hath said unto thee, hearken unto her voice;
for in Isaac shall thy seed be called.'
(Gen.21:12 )

'Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children:
but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.'
(Rom.9:7)

'Of whom it was said,
That in Isaac shall thy seed be called:'
(Heb.11:18)

CWJ · May 3, 2015

'For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God:
the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself,
above all people that are upon the face of the earth.
The LORD did not set his love upon you,
nor choose you,
because ye were more in number than any people;
for ye were the fewest of all people:
But because the LORD loved you,
and because he would keep the oath which he had sworn unto your fathers,
hath the LORD brought you out with a mighty hand,
and redeemed you out of the house of bondmen,
from the hand of Pharaoh king of Egypt.'
(Deu 7:6-8)

Praise God!

valiant · May 3, 2015

atwhatcost said:

Nowhere in the ot does it say that Esau was hated before he was born. It was Esau's descendants who were hated because of what they had done to Israel. And later on under Hyrcanus the remnant of Esau became Jews thus entering into the promises.

Earlier we were told that Jacob loved Rachel and 'hated' Leah. It is doubtful if he actually hated her. After all she bore his children. The verb should probably be translated 'loved less'.

It is however true that God loved Esau less, for He chose Jacob.

jaybird88 · May 3, 2015

atwhatcost said:

are you saying esau was forced against his will to take canaanite wife's? do you actually want to know why the bible says these things or are you just looking for a reason to say Our Lord "hates".

thecreationtutor · May 3, 2015

jsr1221 said:

Deut 7
6"For you are a holy people to the LORD your God; the LORD your God has chosen you to be a people for His own possession out of all the peoples who are on the face of the earth.7"The LORD did not set His love on you nor choose you because you were more in number than any of the peoples, for you were the fewest of all peoples, 8but because the LORD loved you and kept the oath which He swore to your forefathers, the LORD brought you out by a mighty hand and redeemed you from the house of slavery, from the hand of Pharaoh king of Egypt.…

God Chose to sent His love upon them, for no other reason than His Goodness and His Name Sake

thecreationtutor · May 3, 2015

MarcR said:

I would have to disagree with this, this basically saying that God saw something good in these people, therefore meriting salvation.

This also assumes that God doesn't know the end from the beginning, and if He saw it this way, it would go against the work of Jesus, and Grace

Grandpa · May 3, 2015

Pumicestone said:

I might think that as well.

Except for the Lord Jesus Christ.

It doesn't make a lot of sense for the "Hebrew" God to send His Son to be crucified and then the religion of Judaism rejects Him as their messiah but those who have been chosen by God don't reject Him.

Interesting shift, if you are able to see it. Not all of Israel rejected Christ as their Saviour. Only the ones too stubborn to even entertain the possibility that God would send His Messiah to die for them. I suppose that is not the way a King is supposed to act...

DesiredHaven · May 3, 2015

CWJ said:

Even run it this way off of that as well

Gal 3:16

Now to Abraham and his seed
were the promises made.

He saith not, And to seeds, as of many;

but as of one, And to thy seed,

which is Christ.

To Abraham and Christ (thy seed) the son of the promise (the Spirit)

Luke 24:49 And, behold,

I send the promise of my Father upon you:...

Acts 2:33Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted,

and having received ofthe Father the promise of the Holy Ghost,

he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.

Again...

He saith not, And to seeds, as of many;

but as of one,

And to thy seed,

which is Christ.

If you are Christ's ye are Abrahams seed

Gal 3:29 And if ye be Christ's,
then are ye Abraham's seed,
and heirs according to the promise. (The Spirit)

Romans 8:9...
Now if any man have not (the Spirit) of Christ,
he is none of his.

Grandpa · May 3, 2015

We can probably look at certain things to see some of the reason why God chose Israel.

Look at how closely they cherished and guarded the Word of God. It remained pretty well unchanged in written form for a really, really long time.

I think God really likes that.

Could you imagine if the OT were lost, or re-translated so many times that it lost its original meaning? Israel wasn't about to let that happen. Their stubborn-ness is ultimately their downfall, but the inclusion of the rest of the world.

I don't think God is indebted to physical Israel today in any way. He sent the Lord Jesus Christ for a reason. But to say He is finished or not finished with physical Israel is completely guess work on our part. Only God Knows. I know people study a lot about this but for some reason, the bible will tend to show you exactly what you want to see...

jsr1221 · May 3, 2015

MarcR said:

I'm glad you said the last part. That's where the confusion came for me. I know Israel has a purpose, but because they were first, I was thinking it was more of a favoritism thing. And how that would continue over today in that you could be a believer in Christ all you want, but God may not want you. If that makes any sense. I have trouble getting my point across sometimes so I apologize if that doesn't make total sense.

Chica · May 3, 2015

jsr1221 said:

I believe the reason God chose Israel is because he loved them for the sake of their forefathers.

The Lord did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number than any people; for ye were the fewest of all people:

But because the Lord loved you, and because he would keep the oath which he had sworn unto your fathers,
Deut.7:7, 8a

As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes. Romans 11:28

Pumicestone · May 3, 2015

Chrysolite said:

OK, I'm confused.
Who was Joseph's father ?

[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]Matthew 1[/FONT]

[SUP]15[/SUP] And Eliud begat Eleazar; and Eleazar begat Matthan; and Matthan begat Jacob;
[SUP]16[/SUP] And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.
.

DesiredHaven · May 3, 2015

Pumicestone said:

I love this one, I posted it here before

[video=youtube;U3bsAMyRwbw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3bsAMyRwbw[/video]

And because I detest following lines because they are so boring this makes it simpler (at least it does for me) for just a few minutes, watch till the very end though it shows you what the RCC says I believe, and shows the contradiction according to how this is understood.

Or...

This is what he shows... (although much better to watch then write out)

Heli and Jacob were brothers (Heli died childless ) and Joseph performed duty of brother

(Performing the duty of a brother see... Duet 25:5-6)

If brethren dwell together, and one of them die, and have no child, the wife of the dead shall not marry without unto a stranger: her husband's brother shall go in unto her, and take her to him to wife, and perform the duty of an husband's brother unto her.

And it shall be, that the firstborn which she beareth shall succeed in the name of his brother which is dead, that his name be not put out of Israel.

So it shows, Jacob BEGOT Joseph (by nature) in Mat 1:16 but Joseph is counted as the Son of Heli (by law of Duet 25:5-6) in Luke 3:23 even though Heli died.

Then the question becomes...

How can these two be brothers? These two brothers have two different fathers (with two different geneaolgies)

These "so called" brothers had two different fathers (still being brothers?)

Matthan married Estha and had a son named Jacob .But Mattham died. Only if she had seed (named Jacob) could she then marry outside the family. Which (if so having) she was free to do. So Estha (now a widow of Matthan) having Jacob married (again) to Matthat with whom she had another son Heli.

So Jacob and Heli were brothers (having the same mother) but two different fathers (Mathan and Matthat) of two different genealogies.

Once upon a time...These two brethren grew up

Heli married (dying childless) so his brother Jacob (according to the law of Duet 25:5) was to perform the duty of a brother. Jacob married his (Heli's) widow to raise up seed to Heli which was Joseph

And so we read...

Jacob BEGOT Joseph (by nature) as recorded in Mat 1:16 but Joseph is still counted as the Son of Heli (by law) of Duet 25:5-6 as recorded in Luke 3:23 Jacob was to raise up seed to his dead brother Heli (whose name remains)

Only one can BEGAT (as it shows Jacob BEGOT Joseph) but Joseph is still recorded as THE SON of Heli (though he be dead). So He that BEGOT (was Jacob) to raise up seed (Joseph) to his dead brother (Heli)

So Jacob begot Joseph, but Joseph is also the Son of Heli

By nature (of Jacob) by law (of Heli) the seed counted through both (being brothers) having the same mother but two different fathers (both having different genealogies)

Luke 3:23 And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed ) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli,

Luke 3:25 Which was the son of Mattathias, which was the son of Amos, which was the son of Naum, which was the son of Esli, which was the son of Nagge,

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