why do atheists choose to live?
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If things didn't have a purpose at the beginning, there wont be any purpose in the middle, and at the
end. If, on the other hand, there was purpose at the beginning, then there is purpose throughout.
One may con him/herself into thinking there is purpose, but if nothing had it, nothing will have it. The
concept is just wishful thinking. It has to apply to everything, from the beginning, to the end.
And if a purpose exist, then everything had a purpose, which leads back to God.
end. If, on the other hand, there was purpose at the beginning, then there is purpose throughout.
One may con him/herself into thinking there is purpose, but if nothing had it, nothing will have it. The
concept is just wishful thinking. It has to apply to everything, from the beginning, to the end.
And if a purpose exist, then everything had a purpose, which leads back to God.
G
This is supposed to prove what?
The book in 1750bce never received much popularity, reality.
What about the human element?
All the greatest bestsellers, Gone with the Wind, etc. pale in comparison to the number who have bought/read the bible. The difference is exponential too in readership of the bible compared to any other book ever written on planet earth. Why is this?
Reality tells me that something (Someone?) is amiss here, either billions over are bored ofcall other books or Jim Jones' in his grave still can brainwashed billions or there is SOMETHING to this book, something.... Even the QU'RAN is studied NEXT TO the bible now, something called 'Chrislam,' I'm guessing you've hears of it.
What about the signs of the bible prophesied , of wars, rumored, of war, earthquakes becoming greater and greater , floods, tsunamis, cyclones, and, the northeast's hurricane 'believers' now.
God is at work. Scary, scary stuff going on, right from.the pages of the bible coming true.
What about revelation, it's myriad of examples. It says the whole world would witness 'the two witnesses' bloody death.
Huh? We all said , how's that gonna happen , didn't we, 25 years ago, , how will we reach the outer reaches of the Congo, heart of Africa type places that have very little technology and no outsiders ever been in their camp (I guess, this is still.true, the '10/40 window' but, thx to technology, that window is shrinking, and, not to mention, too but Jesus will come again when ALL have heard His Word, I think Scripture ways )? Hey, a ceL phone is HOW ! People can snap a picture and 'viral' it quickly the world over . So, yeah, the bible might not be true to you, reality, it is still, as we speak, coming true.
And, I guess, let"s not cast you to an understanding of the Holy Spirit's evidence upon the believer !!!
Oh, Lord, help this one see you , let it be so, amen .
There now, just for you, reality, a prayer, I pray, will come true, become something special, this moment, to you
John 3:16 is where to go IF the Spirit of this God you do not want to see, or, do jot seen, wants to be understood, and, I pray, too, a mustard seed amount of faith, so little!!, can sprout from your mind , let's leave you with a 'faith' reason to believe in there being such a 'Substance' as God
Heb. 11:1
The book in 1750bce never received much popularity, reality.
What about the human element?
All the greatest bestsellers, Gone with the Wind, etc. pale in comparison to the number who have bought/read the bible. The difference is exponential too in readership of the bible compared to any other book ever written on planet earth. Why is this?
Reality tells me that something (Someone?) is amiss here, either billions over are bored ofcall other books or Jim Jones' in his grave still can brainwashed billions or there is SOMETHING to this book, something.... Even the QU'RAN is studied NEXT TO the bible now, something called 'Chrislam,' I'm guessing you've hears of it.
What about the signs of the bible prophesied , of wars, rumored, of war, earthquakes becoming greater and greater , floods, tsunamis, cyclones, and, the northeast's hurricane 'believers' now.
God is at work. Scary, scary stuff going on, right from.the pages of the bible coming true.
What about revelation, it's myriad of examples. It says the whole world would witness 'the two witnesses' bloody death.
Huh? We all said , how's that gonna happen , didn't we, 25 years ago, , how will we reach the outer reaches of the Congo, heart of Africa type places that have very little technology and no outsiders ever been in their camp (I guess, this is still.true, the '10/40 window' but, thx to technology, that window is shrinking, and, not to mention, too but Jesus will come again when ALL have heard His Word, I think Scripture ways )? Hey, a ceL phone is HOW ! People can snap a picture and 'viral' it quickly the world over . So, yeah, the bible might not be true to you, reality, it is still, as we speak, coming true.
And, I guess, let"s not cast you to an understanding of the Holy Spirit's evidence upon the believer !!!
Oh, Lord, help this one see you , let it be so, amen .
There now, just for you, reality, a prayer, I pray, will come true, become something special, this moment, to you
John 3:16 is where to go IF the Spirit of this God you do not want to see, or, do jot seen, wants to be understood, and, I pray, too, a mustard seed amount of faith, so little!!, can sprout from your mind , let's leave you with a 'faith' reason to believe in there being such a 'Substance' as God
Heb. 11:1
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T
You speak as if there is only one umbrella of purpose, and that the ability to create my own purpose still necessitates the existance of that umbrella.
What you seem to be saying is not that I can't give myself purpose (I can), but that the ability to do so requires a creator having a purpose for me.
I disagree, the ability to give purpose is not demonstrated to be contingent on a higher order.
What I think your proposing seems to defeat the original question: since from a christians view then an atheist can feel they have purpose, because God exists, not because they believe in him.
What you seem to be saying is not that I can't give myself purpose (I can), but that the ability to do so requires a creator having a purpose for me.
I disagree, the ability to give purpose is not demonstrated to be contingent on a higher order.
What I think your proposing seems to defeat the original question: since from a christians view then an atheist can feel they have purpose, because God exists, not because they believe in him.
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I am currently attending a public university.
So, you're in on the "subjective values=objective values" game as well?
You can call an item whatever you wish, language is almost totally subjective, but saying something is something other than what it is will bring about no change to the object in question.
That is one of the three most basic laws of Logic, the Law of Identity. I'm quite surprised you missed that one.
You're absolutely right. That is why it must be renewed every day.
Romans 12:2
Do not conform any longer to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God's will is--his good, pleasing and perfect will.
So, you're in on the "subjective values=objective values" game as well?
You can call an item whatever you wish, language is almost totally subjective, but saying something is something other than what it is will bring about no change to the object in question.
That is one of the three most basic laws of Logic, the Law of Identity. I'm quite surprised you missed that one.
You're absolutely right. That is why it must be renewed every day.
Romans 12:2
Do not conform any longer to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God's will is--his good, pleasing and perfect will.
G
Reality, I think the reason you don't want to believe in God is He allows so much pain, He creates calamity and destruction, as the wicked CHOOSE this end by their behaviour contrary to God who just wants them to show a genuine belief in Jesus, the Son of God, dying for you and me, sinless Jesus, who died on a tree , tortured, this was not what Jesus, who is God, wanted to do, THE PAIN INSIDE OCCASION FATHER KILLING , TORTURING TO BOOT, ALLOWING THIS EVIL BY MAN ( by you and me, reality ) every human on earth Jesus died for, who were ENEMIES OF God, Scripture verses. But God sees fit this way to reconcile us back to Him.
God is NOT the author of evil, and, it began way before man killed Jesus, it began , evil began with Satan, whose pride , one of the 7 deadly sins, caused that Evil One to think he could be more powerful than God, this is the FIRST of evil, recognizable before man's time began, having this casting out by God of Lucipher, as He was known as an angel. God is all powerful, reality, both He formed the light and the darkness,the calamity He created (judgment, accountability measure) and peace.
) every human on earth Jesus died for, who were ENEMIES OF God, Scripture verses. But God sees fit this way to reconcile us back to Him. God is NOT the author of evil, and, it began way before man killed Jesus, it began , evil began with Satan, whose pride , one of the 7 deadly sins, caused that Evil One to think he could be more powerful than God, this is the FIRST of evil, recognizable before man's time began, having this casting out by God of Lucipher, as He was known as an angel. God is all powerful, reality, both He formed the light and the darkness,the calamity He created (judgment, accountability measure) and peace.
T
The same laws in the universe apply to you as they do me and as they do everyone. Their hypocrisy
is, when "their" life is being lived out, they WANT it to have purpose, yet at the same time, the
existance of the past, just....happened. They are just a "happening", that was produced, by the laws
controling the "happenings" of the universe. And, you are correct, you can NOT give your life purpose. You did not exist when it was decided. You had no input on when you were born, where
you were born, who you were born to, etc....Do you honestly think you can supersede events now?
You'll have no input after you die. Does the part between being born and death, change to accept
your ideas and plans? Athiest want to have a purpose for their life and at the same time, not
believe in God. It can't exist both ways.
is, when "their" life is being lived out, they WANT it to have purpose, yet at the same time, the
existance of the past, just....happened. They are just a "happening", that was produced, by the laws
controling the "happenings" of the universe. And, you are correct, you can NOT give your life purpose. You did not exist when it was decided. You had no input on when you were born, where
you were born, who you were born to, etc....Do you honestly think you can supersede events now?
You'll have no input after you die. Does the part between being born and death, change to accept
your ideas and plans? Athiest want to have a purpose for their life and at the same time, not
believe in God. It can't exist both ways.
J
A little inconsistent don't you think? All knowledge is based upon belief.
All knowledge, is justified true belief. Your claim that I make extraordinary claims, is based upon a belief system about the magnitude of a claim made.
Evidence is also interpreted on the basis of a belief system.
I haven't claimed any "personal" revelation, that I know of.
There is also the issue of human existence. If I may ask you a question: Do you exist?
All knowledge, is justified true belief. Your claim that I make extraordinary claims, is based upon a belief system about the magnitude of a claim made.
Evidence is also interpreted on the basis of a belief system.
I haven't claimed any "personal" revelation, that I know of.
There is also the issue of human existence. If I may ask you a question: Do you exist?