Why do Catholics break the Commandment about Idols?

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As I have said, you believe what men says, rather than what the Bible teaches.

The TRUE CHURCH never did infant baptism.
Your problem is, you believe the lies of men rather than the Bible.
Dear God4me

If the Church didn't practice infant baptism you better let those Early Church fathers know about it because they certainly wrote a lot about it!!
 

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Dear God4me

If the Church didn't practice infant baptism you better let those Early Church fathers know about it because they certainly wrote a lot about it!!
the 'early church fathers' were already wandering from the truth, they had left the apostolic doctrine.,

infant baptism is a case in point,
 
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Do you DeaconMike and Johnlove not understand neither of you truly have the Indwelling of the Holy Spirit?

Why are both of you teaching Works for Salvation? Why are both of you teaching keeping ones Salvation by Works?

The only conclusion we can arrive at is both of you must be false Christians, better know as Catholics.

No True Christian would ever Worship Mary, and no Catholic will ever Worship only Jesus.
Do you believe that you have the indwelling of the Holy Spirit? Do you still sin? If you still sin then there is no way God will dwell in a house that is of the devil. One who sins is of the devil.

Do you keep all of God’s Word, if you do not then you are sinning and God does not come to make a home in a sinner, one who does not keep God’s Word?


(1 John 3:9-10) “No one who is a child of God sins because God's seed remains in him. Nor can he sin, because he is a child of God. This is what distinguishes the children of God from the children of the devil: whoever does not live uprightly and does not love his brother is not from God” New Jerusalem bible

Notice what distinguishes a Child of God from a Child of the devil. Do you truly believe a child of the devil will go to heaven with Jesus?

(John 14: 23) “Anyone who loves me will keep my word and my Father will love him, and we shall come to him and make a home in him.”

Notice Jesus told us what sort of house he will make a home in.


(John 14:21) “Anybody who receives my commandments and keeps them will be one who loves me; and anybody who loves me will be loved by My Father, and I shall love him and show myself to him.”

Have you seen Jesus Christ our Lord and God? I have actually seen Jesus Christ our Lord and God.
 
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I am sinless Johnlove! Because I walk with Jesus I cannot sin!

I really doubt you have actually seen Jesus.

Yes, i do keep all of God's words.

Matthew 22:37-40
[SUP]37 [/SUP]Jesus said to him, “‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.’ [SUP]38 [/SUP]This is the first and great commandment. [SUP]39 [/SUP]And the second is like it: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ [SUP]40 [/SUP]On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.”

All the Law hangs on these two Commandments! So YES I do keep all of God's Words!
 
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I am sinless Johnlove! Because I walk with Jesus I cannot sin!

I really doubt you have actually seen Jesus.

Yes, i do keep all of God's words.

Matthew 22:37-40
[SUP]37 [/SUP]Jesus said to him, “‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.’ [SUP]38 [/SUP]This is the first and great commandment. [SUP]39 [/SUP]And the second is like it: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ [SUP]40 [/SUP]On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.”

All the Law hangs on these two Commandments! So YES I do keep all of God's Words!
Jesus was talking about the Old Law Ten Commandments. Jesus Christ gave us many more words that one has to keep that are not in his summary of the Ten Commandments.

The following are just some of the words Jesus spoke that you will be judged by if you don’t keep them.

John 12:47-48) “If anyone hears my words and does not keep them faithfully, it is not I who shall condemn him, since I have come not to condemn the world, but to save the world: he who rejects me and refuses my words has his judge already: the word itself that I have spoken will be his judge on the last day.” Jerusalem Bible

(1 John 3:9-10) “No one who has been begotten by God sins; because God’s seed remains inside him, he cannot sin when he has been begotten by God. In this way we distinguish the children of God from the children of the devil: anybody not living a holy life and not loving his brother is no child of God’s”

(Luke 12:33) “Sell your possessions and give alms. Get yourselves purses that do not wear out, treasure that will not fail you, in Heaven where no thief can reach it and no moth destroy it. For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.”

(Matthew 6:19) “Do not store up treasures for yourselves on earth, where moths and woodworms destroy them and thieves can break in and steal.”

(Luke 14:33) “So in the same way, none of you can be my disciple unless he gives up all his possessions.”

(Matthew 5:39) “You have learnt how it was said: ‘Eye for eye and tooth for tooth.’ But I say this to you: offer the wicked man no resistance.”

(Matthew 5:48) “Even the pagans do as much, do they not? You must therefore be perfect just as your heavenly Father is perfect.”

(1 John 3:5-6) “Now you know that he appeared in order to abolish sin, and that in him there is no sin; anyone who lives in God does not sin, and anyone who sins has never seen him or known him.”

(1 Corinthians 5:11) “What I wrote was that you should not associate with a brother Christian who is leading an immoral life, or is a usurer, or idolatrous, or a slanderer, or a drunkard or is dishonest; you should not even eat a meal with people like that.”

(Matthew 5:48) “Even the pagans do as much, do they not? You must therefore be perfect just as your heavenly Father is perfect.”

(Matthew 23:8-9) “You, however must not allow yourselves to be called Rabbi, since you have only one Master, and you are all brothers. You must call no one on earth your father, since you have only one Father, and he is in heaven.”
 

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One thing I've noticed DeaconMike always responds with respect and is kindly. Keep it up DeaconMike. God bless.
 

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Do you believe that you have the indwelling of the Holy Spirit? Do you still sin? If you still sin then there is no way God will dwell in a house that is of the devil. One who sins is of the devil.

Do you keep all of God’s Word, if you do not then you are sinning and God does not come to make a home in a sinner, one who does not keep God’s Word?


(1 John 3:9-10) “No one who is a child of God sins because God's seed remains in him. Nor can he sin, because he is a child of God. This is what distinguishes the children of God from the children of the devil: whoever does not live uprightly and does not love his brother is not from God” New Jerusalem bible

Notice what distinguishes a Child of God from a Child of the devil. Do you truly believe a child of the devil will go to heaven with Jesus?

(John 14: 23) “Anyone who loves me will keep my word and my Father will love him, and we shall come to him and make a home in him.”

Notice Jesus told us what sort of house he will make a home in.


(John 14:21) “Anybody who receives my commandments and keeps them will be one who loves me; and anybody who loves me will be loved by My Father, and I shall love him and show myself to him.”

Have you seen Jesus Christ our Lord and God? I have actually seen Jesus Christ our Lord and God.
so you never sin? you always love God with heart and soul and mind and strength/. I just don't believe you and neither does Jesus Christ
 
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so you never sin? you always love God with heart and soul and mind and strength/. I just don't believe you and neither does Jesus Christ
I am not a teacher, nor an evangelist it is not my job to get you to believe anything. Besides only God can bring one to know the truth. But if you sin then God says you are of the devil, and no one can convince the devil to admit the truth.
 

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I am not a teacher, nor an evangelist it is not my job to get you to believe anything. Besides only God can bring one to know the truth. But if you sin then God says you are of the devil, and no one can convince the devil to admit the truth.
The Bible says if we say that we have no sin we deceive ourselves. If we say that we have not sinned we make God a liar. I come down on the side of God.,

sounds to me as though you believe the devil's lies.

I can see you are not a teacher except that you are teaching on here.
 
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The Bible says if we say that we have no sin we deceive ourselves. If we say that we have not sinned we make God a liar. I come down on the side of God.,

sounds to me as though you believe the devil's lies.

I can see you are not a teacher except that you are teaching on here.
Yes people who want to believe everyone sins, and quote that part of John’s letter to prove their belief and do so without feeling totally dishonest, I sure don’t understand.

(1 John 3:9-10) “No one who is a child of God sins because God's seed remains in him. Nor can he sin, because he is a child of God. This is what distinguishes the children of God from the children of the devil: whoever does not live uprightly and does not love his brother is not from God” New Jerusalem bible

They want people to believe John was telling those Children of God who can’t sin, that they can’t tell anyone, and if they do they will be lairs.

It takes a person who is very concerned about feeling themselves righteous even though they still sin, to believe that John was saying they were liars if they shared that they no longer sinned?

I don’t believe people, when they quote 1 John 1:8-10 they expect any intelligent person to use that as to believe everyone still sins.

Also the way they are reading John’s Word, it only say if one tells someone they no longer sin they are lying. So they don’t know what John is truly saying at all.

You should know that the scripture you are quoting says: “If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness”

If one is forgiven of all unrighteousness are they not then sinless?

Could they then be liars if they say they are sinless?


By the way a Spiritual Christian only needs to confess his or her sins once. The Holy Spirit keeps a Christian free from sin.

(Romans 8:1-4) “The reason, therefore, why those who are in Christ Jesus are not condemned, is that the law of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and death. God has done what the Law, because of our unspiritual nature, was unable to do. God dealt with sin by sending his own Son in a body as physical as any sinful body, and in that body God condemned sin he did this in order the Law’s just demands might be satisfied in us, who behave not as our unspiritual nature but as the spirit dictates.”
 
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Because they get taught those heresies from childhood on to the point that theyre simply brainwashed..at least most catholics not all.
That sounded like you were brainwashed to say things against Catholics. What's the difference?

(I'm checking to see if anyone gave a real answer, so I don't have to repeat.)
 

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Do you believe that you have the indwelling of the Holy Spirit? Do you still sin? If you still sin then there is no way God will dwell in a house that is of the devil. One who sins is of the devil.

Do you keep all of God’s Word, if you do not then you are sinning and God does not come to make a home in a sinner, one who does not keep God’s Word?


(1 John 3:9-10) “No one who is a child of God sins because God's seed remains in him. Nor can he sin, because he is a child of God. This is what distinguishes the children of God from the children of the devil: whoever does not live uprightly and does not love his brother is not from God” New Jerusalem bible

Notice what distinguishes a Child of God from a Child of the devil. Do you truly believe a child of the devil will go to heaven with Jesus?

(John 14: 23) “Anyone who loves me will keep my word and my Father will love him, and we shall come to him and make a home in him.”

Notice Jesus told us what sort of house he will make a home in.


(John 14:21) “Anybody who receives my commandments and keeps them will be one who loves me; and anybody who loves me will be loved by My Father, and I shall love him and show myself to him.”

Have you seen Jesus Christ our Lord and God? I have actually seen Jesus Christ our Lord and God.
'He who is begotten of God practises no sin, because His seed abides in him, and he cannot practise sin because he is born of God,' (1 John 3.9)

If we say that we have not sinned we make God a liar. My little children, these things have I written unto you that you might not practise sin. And if any man sin we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous, and He is the propitiation for our sins (1 John 1.10- 2.1)
 
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Dear God4me

If the Church didn't practice infant baptism you better let those Early Church fathers know about it because they certainly wrote a lot about it!!


Just because some people got of into error, it doesn't mean the early Church taught infant baptism, you must by silly to think they did.
But you want to believe it, because the RCC teach and practice infant baptism.

You go by what me say and do rather than believing the Bible.
 
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Hey guys, are we allowed to post links to catholic websites in here that give an appologetic defence of any of their doctrines? Just checking. I'm new and don't want to break any rules.
Sure, but heads up. No one goes to a link unless you give them a good reason to go. So, you might want to explain why they want to go, rather than just listing the link.

Also, if it is as if you're doing the link to advertise another site, then that's not cool.
 
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One of the Commandments DeaconMike is we are not to bow down to Statues and Pictures. We do have pictures of Pope John Paul II bowing down to a statue of Mary, praying to the Statue.

Pope John Paul II saw no problems with Worshiping Mary as his Savior and God.

He will spend Eternity in the Lake of Fire, not with God.
So, God gave you the list of who he didn't save? He does save some on their deathbeds, so I don't know if John Paul 1 or 2 were saved by the time they died. Nor do I believe the Catholic doctrine that we have to have repented of every single sin before death or we can't go to heaven.
 
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Nevermind. Enough garbage, hatred, and ego on this thread, that if I keep reading, I'll just get angrier. DeaconMike did explain the Commandment part though.
 

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Yes people who want to believe everyone sins, and quote that part of John’s letter to prove their belief and do so without feeling totally dishonest, I sure don’t understand.


I can see that you don't understand.


(1 John 3:9-10) “No one who is a child of God sins because God's seed remains in him. Nor can he sin, because he is a child of God. This is what distinguishes the children of God from the children of the devil: whoever does not live uprightly and does not love his brother is not from God” New Jerusalem bible
try a better translation
They want people to believe John as telling those Children of God who can’t sin, that they can’t tell anyone, and if they do they will be lairs.
????????

It takes a person who is very concerned about feeling themselves righteous even though they still sin, to believe that John was saying they were liars if they shared that they no longer sinned?
Thereby you condemn John

I don’t believe people, when they quote 1 John 1:8-10 they expect any intelligent person to use that as to believe everyone still sins.
Thats what he says.

Also the way they are reading John’s Word, it only say if one tells someone they no longer sin they are lying. So they don’t know what John is truly saying at all.

You should know that the scripture you are quoting says: “If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness”

If one is forgiven of all unrighteousness are they not then sinless?
no. they are forgiven sinners

Could they then be liars if they say they are sinless?
yes in the way you mean.

By the way a Spiritual Christian only needs to confess his or her sins once. The Holy Spirit keeps a Christian free from sin.
well I prefer to believe Paul. Peter and John, and of course Jesus Himself (Matt 6.12-15)

(Romans 8:1-4) “The reason, therefore, why those who are in Christ Jesus are not condemned, is that the law of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and death. God has done what the Law, because of our unspiritual nature, was unable to do. God dealt with sin by sending his own Son in a body as physical as any sinful body, and in that body God condemned sin he did this in order the Law’s just demands might be satisfied in us, who behave not as our unspiritual nature but as the spirit dictates.”
lol is that a made up 'translation'. your translation s lead you astray
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lol I wasnt brainwashed to say things against Catholics. I still to this day go to the catholic priest to talk or even for a blessing (yes I know that I just opened a can of worms with that). Its just simply a fact that they get taught a lot of heresies such as the Idolatry, Doing rituals through the dead etc. that God despises. Doesnt mean there arent exceptions here and there but most of them are brainwashed. I went into a catholic church a few sundays ago to check it out for myself and it was horrid. They are brainwashes. The priest says a few words and they finish it and go on and on reciting about the ''holy Roman catholic church'' and the ''holy dead saints to hear them as they speak'' and more.. It was so much I cant remember

That sounded like you were brainwashed to say things against Catholics. What's the difference?

(I'm checking to see if anyone gave a real answer, so I don't have to repeat.)
 
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Just because some people got of into error, it doesn't mean the early Church taught infant baptism, you must by silly to think they did.
But you want to believe it, because the RCC teach and practice infant baptism.

You go by what me say and do rather than believing the Bible.
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Ok challenge for you. Come up with cotinga from the Church fathers that show a consistent practice of only baptizing adults. Please not the document and the father your citing.
Should be fun. God bless
 
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Dear God4me
Ok challenge for you. Come up with cotinga from the Church fathers that show a consistent practice of only baptizing adults. Please not the document and the father your citing.
Should be fun. God bless
Dear God4me
Sorry bad typing error. Please come up with citings from the Church fathers that teach only adults should be baptized. Please note the father and the document you are citing please. Thanks.
You might want to include the teaching thst bsptism is not re generational and that " accepting Jesus as your personal savior is the main practice.l
Let me know how that goes. Should be fun for you