Why do Catholics break the Commandment about Idols?

working4christ2 · Jul 23, 2016

My friend does not the bible teach us {that IS Jesus}

[h=3]Matt.7:[1] "Judge not, that you be not judged.[/h][h=3]Luke.6:[37] "Judge not, and you will not be judged; condemn not, and you will not be condemned; forgive, and you will be forgiven;[/h]
Having shared this, the poster you were replying to might have worded his position a bit differently.

God Bless you

Patrick

working4christ2 · Jul 23, 2016

God4me said:

working4christ2 said:

REALLY?

Here's what MY {The Douay Catholic}bible say's: John 3:

"[5] Jesus answered: Amen, amen I say to thee, unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Ghost, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

And here is what the King James says:

[h=2]King James Version[/h][h=3]John 3:5[/h]5 J"esus answered,Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God."

Sorry friend, but you're wrong in your stated position.

GHod Bless you

Patrick

valiant · Jul 23, 2016

working4christ2 said:

He also said, 'judge not according to appearances but judge righteous judgment,'

That would include recognising that all men sin daily, as He taught Himself. Matt 6.12-15

valiant · Jul 23, 2016

working4christ2 said:

I don't see any reference to baptism there, indeed Jesus stresses 'the wind blows where it will --- so is everyone who is born of the Spirit,' That excludes men's participation in any way.

Water, even the Spirit, refers to the OT prophecies (Is 32.15; 42.1-5; 55.10-13 etc) NOT baptism which is unmentioned

abcdef · Jul 23, 2016

valiant said:

1 Cor 10:2, "And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;"

1 Pet 3:20, ".....eight souls were saved by water. v 21, The like figure where unto even baptism......."

MikeHenderson · Jul 23, 2016

John 3:5
[SUP]5 [/SUP]Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

"born of water and the Spirit" means that a person must be born again by the Holy Spirit using the Scriptures. It does not refer to water Baptism.

We believe, very definitely, that no one could be born again without the Word of God applied by the Spirit of God.

working4christ2 · Jul 25, 2016

MikeHenderson said:

So born of WATER AND the Spirit does not mean exactly what it say's?

And Jesus and the MANY others who were Baptized in the Jordon were in your opinion NOT Baptized in the manner GOD Ordained?

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Acts 8:31-38
[31] Who said: And how can I, unless some man shew me? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him. [32] And the place of the scripture which he was reading was this: He was led as a sheep to the slaughter; and like a lamb without voice before his shearer, so openeth he not his mouth. [33] In humility his judgment was taken away. His generation who shall declare, for his life shall be taken from the earth? [34] And the eunuch answering Philip, said: I beseech thee, of whom doth the prophet speak this? of himself, or of some other man? [35] Then Philip, opening his mouth, and beginning at this scripture, preached unto him Jesus.[36] And as they went on their way, they came to a certain water; and the eunuch said: See, here is water: what doth hinder me from being baptized? [37] And Philip said: If thou believest with all thy heart, thou mayest. And he answering, said: I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. [38]And he commanded the chariot to stand still; and they went down into the water, both Philip and the eunuch: and he baptized him. [39] And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord took away Philip; and the eunuch saw him no more. And he went on his way rejoicing.[40] But Philip was found in Azotus; and passing through, he preached the gospel to all the cities, till he came to Caesarea

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Who answered and said: It is written, Not in bread alone doth man live, but in every word that proceedeth from the mouth of God.

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[FONT=&quot][20] Noprophecy of scripture is made by private interpretation: This shewsplainly that the scriptures are not to be expounded by any one's privatejudgment or private spirit, because every part of the holy scriptures werewritten by men inspired by the Holy Ghost, and declared as such by the Church;therefore they are not to be interpreted but by the Spirit of God, which hehath left, and promised to remain with his Church to guide her in all truth tothe end of the world. Some may tell us, that many of our divines interpret thescriptures: they may do so, but they do it always with a submission to thejudgment of the Church, and not otherwise. End Quotes[/FONT][FONT=&quot]“Wheneversomething is good it does not depend on us getting our way, but on God gettingHis way, and whether we do God’s Will depends on us [humbly] loving God. Moreover to love God we must [actually] know God, [not just know OF God].” Bread of Lifebooklet January 9, 2016”[Mt 7:21]

My friend, might I humbly suggest that IF your going to accept God's Bible; ACCEPT ALL of it. Amen!

God Bless you
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KenAllan · Jul 25, 2016

How do we receive our Salvation working4christ2? Is it by Baptism? NO!

Ephesians 2:8
[SUP]8 [/SUP]For by grace you have been saved

Its by Grace from God that we receive our Salvation. Baptism has NOTHING to do with Salvation!

Baptism if just a sign that we walk with God. God does want us Baptized BUT Baptism is not how we receive our Salvation.

You error working4christ2 because you are interpreting the Scriptures based on what you want them to say, not on what God says.

Clearly God says its by Grace we receive Salvation. Where in Ephesians 2:8 does God say by Baptism we are saved??????

Do you even have the Indwelling of the Holy Spirit? If you had you would understand what God is saying in the Scriptures.

Lean on the Teachings from God. Lean NOT on your interpretations!

JaumeJ · Jul 25, 2016

In direct response to the thread title: Could the answer be for the same reason many Protestants do? It is ignorance, simple ignorance. We all suffer for some of this.

working4christ2 · Jul 25, 2016

KenAllan said:

[h=3]John.17 Verses 17 to 20 "[17] Sanctify them in the truth; thy word is truth.[/h]

[18] As thou didst send me into the world, so I have sent them into the world.

[19] And for their sake I consecrate myself, that they also may be consecrated in truth.

[20] "I do not pray for these only, but also for those who believe in me through their word,

Thank you for sharing your opinion my friend,

Have you ever been exposed to the One Infallible Rule for right understanding of the Bible?

Never Ever; can, may or DOES
One verse, passage or teaching have the power or authority to
Invalidate, make void or override another Verse, passage or teaching:

Were this even the slightest possibility; [it’s NOT!] it would render the entire Bible useless to teach or learn Christ Faith”

2Peter 1: 19-21
And we have the more firm prophetical word: whereunto you do well to attend, as to a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts: [20] Understanding this first, that no prophecy of scripture is made by private interpretation. [21] For prophecy came not by the will of man at any time: but the holy men of God spoke, inspired by the Holy Ghost.

[Douay bible explanation]
[20] No prophecy of scripture is made by private interpretation: This shews plainly that the scriptures are not to be expounded by any one's private judgment or private spirit, because every part of the holy scriptures were written by men inspired by the Holy Ghost, and declared as such by the Church; therefore they are not to be interpreted but by the Spirit of God, which he hath left, and promised to remain with his Church to guide her in all truth to the end of the world. Some may tell us, that many of our divines interpret the scriptures: they may do so, but they do it always with a submission to the judgment of the Church, and not otherwise. End Quotes

“Whenever something is good it does not depend on us getting our way, but on God getting His way, and whether we do God’s Will depends on us [humbly] loving God. Moreover to love God we must [actually] know God, [not just know OF God].” Bread of Life booklet January 9, 2016”[Mt 7:21]

2[SUP]nd[/SUP]. Peter 3: 14-18
“Therefore, beloved, since you wait for these, be zealous to be found by him without spot or blemish, and at peace. And count the forbearance of our Lord as salvation. So also our beloved brother Paul wrote to you according to the wisdom given him, speaking of this as he does in all his letters. There are some things in them hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other scriptures. You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, beware lest you be carried away with the error of lawless men and lose your own stability. But grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To him be the glory both now and to the day of eternity. Amen”

John 5: 37 “And the Father who sent me has himself borne witness to me. His voice you have never heard, his form you have never seen; and you do not have his word abiding in you, for you do not believe him whom he has sent. You search the scriptures, because you think that in them you have eternal life; and it is they that bear witness to me; yet you refuse to come to me that you may have life [Speaking of accepting the entire WORD of GOD]. I do not receive glory from men .[Meaning disobedience is rampant!] But I know that you have not the love of God within you. I have come in my Father's name, and you do not receive me” [Obey Me!]

Parts of Mt. 10:1-8 “And having called his twelve disciples together, he gave them power over unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all manner of diseases, and all manner of infirmities. And the names of the twelve apostles are these: The first, Simon who is called Peter, and Andrew his brother.. These twelve Jesus sent: commanding them, saying: Go ye not into the way of the Gentiles, And going, preach, saying: The kingdom of heaven is at hand. Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse the lepers, cast out devils”

John 12: 48-49 He who rejects me and does not receive my sayings has a judge; the word that I have spoken will be his judge on the last day. For I have not spoken on my own authority; the Father who sent me has himself given me commandment what to say and what to speak.”

God Bless you

Patrick

valiant · Jul 25, 2016

abcdef said:

what have these Scriptures to do with what I was talking about? The first refers to being inundated into Moses and does not refer specifically to baptism. The second says baptism is the answer of a good conscience towards God and is a picture of the resurrection of Christ.

valiant · Jul 25, 2016

working4christ2 said:

It DOES NOT refer to baptism. It refers to the water of the Spirit (Is 44.1-5; John 4.10-14; 7.37-9)

They were certainly not baptised with Christian baptism.

2 Peter 1.19-21 refers to the prophets not to their hearers. It says the prophets did not use their private interpretation but received it from God.
if you can't get that right how can we trust you?

working4christ2 · Jul 25, 2016

valiant said:

My friend, I truly do not mean to be argumentative; BUT on what BASIS; on what AUTHORITY do you presme some right to be able to interpret the Bible?

My friend have you ever been exposed to the One Infallible Rule for right understanding of the Bible?

Never Ever; can, may or DOES
One verse, passage or teaching have the power or authority to
Invalidate, make void or override another Verse, passage or teaching:

Were this even the slightest possibility; [it’s NOT!] it would render the entire Bible useless to teach or learn Christ Faith”

2Peter 1: 19-21
And we have the more firm prophetical word: whereunto you do well to attend, as to a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts: [20] Understanding this first, that no prophecy of scripture is made by private interpretation. [21] For prophecy came not by the will of man at any time: but the holy men of God spoke, inspired by the Holy Ghost.
[Douay explanation]

[20] No prophecy of scripture is made by private interpretation: This shews plainly that the scriptures are not to be expounded by any one's private judgment or private spirit, because every part of the holy scriptures were written by men inspired by the Holy Ghost, and declared as such by the Church; therefore they are not to be interpreted but by the Spirit of God, which he hath left, and promised to remain with his Church to guide her in all truth to the end of the world. Some may tell us, that many of our divines interpret the scriptures: they may do so, but they do it always with a submission to the judgment of the Church, and not otherwise. End Quotes

“Whenever something is good it does not depend on us getting our way, but on God getting His way, and whether we do God’s Will depends on us [humbly] loving God. Moreover to love God we must [actually] know God, [not just know OF God].” Bread of Life booklet January 9, 2016”[Mt 7:21]

THAT my friend is NOT my personal opinion; NO! It's GOD'S

Blessings

Patrick

God4me · Jul 25, 2016

working4christ2 said:

God4me said:

Where does Jn 3: 3--8, mention water baptism? ??. It doesn't DOES IT? . No, and every time Jesus meant baptism, He clearly said so.

The disciples were baptized, but they weren't born again by water baptism.
Paul was saved for 3 days before he was baptised in the Holy Ghost, but he wasn't baptised in water at that time.
The Gentiles in Acts 10, we're saved baptised in the Holy Ghost and spoke in tongues, but they weren't baptised at that time.
The disciples in Acts 19, we're saved for who knows how long, it could have been 19 years, but they were baptized with the Christian baptism, not until they met Paul.

So you can see the the Bible proves that baptism doesn't save.

valiant · Jul 25, 2016

working4christ2 said:

The right of one to whom it was written, reinforced by the teaching of those I trust who know the Bible far better than you or I, and are not bound by dogma, plus the teaching of my tutors.

Exactly and that is why I quoted the use of water in the same Gospel to show how John was using it. But how you as a roman catholic dare to make that claim I fail to see. Your church bases its teaching on tradition, not on the word of God.,,

It tells us that the prophets did not use private interpretation, but Spoke as the Spirit guided.

[20] No prophecy of scripture is made by private interpretation: This shews plainly that the scriptures are not to be expounded by any one's private judgment or private spirit,

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LOL look at your own scripture. It is not MADE by private interpretation. That refers the phrase to the MAKERS. You can't even get that right.

because every part of the holy scriptures were written by men inspired by the Holy Ghost, and declared as such by the Church;

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not by the church but by the inspired Apostles.. That's what mattered.

therefore they are not to be interpreted but by the Spirit of God, which he hath left, and promised to remain with his Church to guide her in all truth to the end of the world.

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He made no such promise. But the church he has guided has been the small remnant that trusted in Him, not the large church which went astray from him.

Some may tell us, that many of our divines interpret the scriptures: they may do so, but they do it always with a submission to the judgment of the Church, and not otherwise. End Quotes

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well I won't. They don't interpret the Scriptures. They fit the Scriptures, where possible, into their mass of tradition. And why should a particular church that was formed in 8th century AD be listened to?

very true. Thus the reformation,

well I do love God. Do you? Or do you love your church more?

No it is the Roman Catholic church's, except they don't follow it out. God's opinion is in His word,

Preacha24-7 · Jul 25, 2016

John17:3 And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent. John14:6 Jesus said to him, I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. Jesus is the only way to God. Roman Catholic Church follow man made traditions instead of God's Word. Martin Luther found out the Roman Catholic Church was wrong because he studied the truth from God's Word. They kicked him out because he exposed their false doctrines. Satan hates to be exposed. It is our duty as Christians to preach the Word ofGod, and expose Satan and his evil ways. To God be the glory. These scriptures are from New King James Version. Your Bro in Christ,
Preacha24-7

PaulMack · Jul 25, 2016

The problem working4christ2 is you are putting Authority of the Scriptures in you. The Truth in the Scriptures are not depended on your Authority.

This is exactly the same thing the Catholic Church has done. They have said the Authority in the Scriptures is from the Catholic Church.

What you are doing is nothing new, Satan has used this method from the beginning of time.

Why are you blinded to the Truth in the Scriptures? I believe its because of your Pride. Your Pride is in others following you and following what you teach.

All i can say is 'get thee behind me, Satan'.

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