Why does the Law cause contention among professing Christians?

[homwardbound]

wheels on the bus go round and round! i keep seeing people say we live in sin, i even heard a person saying that we sin every day, it wasn't in forums that i heard that. People really need to stop trying to convince others, that we can't live sinless lives. we can live without sin, if we do what Jesus said. Jesus came to show us how we are to live, and He came in the flesh to show us it can be done. Did you sin today? yesturday? last week? well i believe if we can go one day without sinning then why can't we not sin every day? With Christ All things are possible.

Therefore we learn by God to die daily to self and be alive to God daily and can claim as Paul:
Galatians 2:20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

Not to be proud, arrogant and or boastful, in anything except the cross, where all power and glory is, God the Father getting all the credit

 

[homwardbound]

The laws often times portrays those that do not want to follow these dead practices as doomed.Jesus Christ died to set us free from something that never was able to work,or it would still be in effect today.The Lord knew mankind needed renewal and we get that from Jesus,who took the penalty of our sins.

And so we might see this then:
John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
Galatians 4:29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.

 

[homwardbound]

Is the law opposed to the promises of God? May it never be! For if a law had been given that was able to give life, certainly righteousness would have been from the law. Galatians 3:21​

And without the Law how does one know their need for God?

 

[homwardbound]

Not,God's fault ours all have fallen short.That is why all need Jesus.

Life in God's Spirit and dead to flesh. For god to this very day can only be:
John 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
John 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

 

[homwardbound]

so you are saying there is not one minute of every day where you mind goes to self? and does not think about others?

I know no human who has ever done this, Except one, you must be special!

being born again from God is special, and God carries on the good work God began in the one's that believe
unto, not ever even thinking about sin again, because we have learned what thinking about sin does, and have transferred from death to life in the Spirit of God being too busy there worshipping God in Spirit and truth, where no sin can ever occur since all sin has been condemned to flesh. so one need to renew their mind from flesh death, being dead to flesh self by the death of Christ and live the new life God has given to all the believe God, and learn to walk as he walked only by the Spirit of God.
So yes Brother Don is special and all others that Believe God that God has past tense already done it all for us through Son at the cross

 

[homwardbound]

Thats interesting.

The same law which Christ taught was the same law which had been around since adam, before any Judaism even existed.

Jesus did not teach judaism. He taught I guess what you could call GODism. The same law Noah, Adam, Abraham Isaac and Jacob, Job and all the other pre Jew anything came to existence.

Matthew 9:13 But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance
Matthew 12:7 But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless.

Just food for thought here the first thing God did after Adam and Eve failed, He Gave Mercy and clothed them. What has happened to Mercy. Who did Jesus hang out with?

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

And without the Law how does one know their need for God?

The spirit witnesses of sin. One doesn't need the 10 commandments to do so.

 

[homwardbound]

I love the story about the man named George who died, and when he arrived at the "Pearly Gates" St. Peter told him he was going to take him on a tour of heaven and of hell. First, they took a tour of heaven. Peter and George arrived just in time for dinner—it was in a huge banquet hall and the tables were sagging with the weight of the sumptuous entrees. Everyone was laughing and talking and having a wonderful time. They all looked well-fed and happy. George noticed that everyone had the longest fork he had ever seen—about four feet long!

Then Peter and George took off for hell. It was still dinner time when they arrived. The cafeteria in hell looked just like the banquet hall in heaven. The tables were loaded with food. But there was no conversation taking place— everyone looked angry and resentful, and they also looked like they were starving, in spite of all of that food right in front of them. And again George noticed that, just like in heaven, everyone in hell was holding a four-foot-long fork.

George said to St. Peter, "What's going on? It looks like the food they serve in hell is just like the food they serve in heaven. But the people in hell seem to be starving to death—they are miserable. What's the difference between heaven and hell?
St. Peter replied, "In hell, there's no spirit of giving or of service. In hell everyone looks out only for themselves. The people in the cafeteria in hell can only think about themselves. But, their forks are four feet long—when they pick up their food with those forks they can't get it in their mouths. So they are starving."

"In heaven, everyone has the same four-foot-long forks, which are far too long to feed themselves, but in heaven they all want to serve each other. When someone is hungry, all they have to do is ask the person on the other side of the table to use his or her fork to pick up some food and feed them. Sometimes people don't even have to ask. In heaven they feed each other. In hell everyone is so engrossed with looking out for number one that no one seems to think of serving someone else."

Do nothing out of selfish ambition or vain conceit. Rather, in humility value others above yourselves, not looking to your own interests but each of you to the interests of others. In your
relationships with one another, have the same mindset as Christ Jesus…(Philippians 2:3-5).

The Difference Between Heaven and Hell

I like, thanks great revelation between flesh self and the Spirit of live that serves, wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And I have another story about hell as well, as to show us how on the other end being caught up in the do's and don'ts

TRUTH FOUND
There was a person that died and was sent to hell. Upon realizing he was in Hell, He rejected this as to be so! He said he was not to be there in Hell. He did not belong. So he sought out the Devil inquiring why he was in Hell, and stating he did not belong. He asked Why am I here? I am sure I do not belong here.
The devil replies after looking over his list of names that are to be there, and replies, you are right, you are not to be here. You see that door over there, all you got to do is go through that door and you will be in heaven. But before you get to go through it, You need to accomplish a list of tasks first.
So the man sets out to accomplish these tasks given and completes them. He then goes back to the devil and says he has completed the given tasks, and is ready to now go through the door.
The Devil interupts and convinces the man he needs to accopmplish another list, then another one. and on and on. Finally after the man keeps coming back, to go through the door. He now finds new lists taped onto the door for him to do, then he could pass through.
Well this goes on for years and finally the man gives up trying so hard to go through the door and into heaven. Feeling it is useless he takes the latest note on the door and rips it up, then leans against the door in exhaustion, he has had it he is done.
To his amazament the door opens and never was locked, and finds himself in Heaven, realizing he could have just gone through the door the first day. The door was never locked, only his belief kept him from entering into. ( deceived into working for salvation)
I find this so common with man and his feeling of worth. We are loved and all anyone needs to do is just go through the door.

 

[homwardbound]

They keep the commandments of GOD which are to have faith and love.

And can only be accomplished by God the Father of Christ whom is the one that gives this gift, no man can ever accomplish and be perfect before God, so God sent his only Son to do this for us, so we could respond in thanksgiving to Father and praises to Father, and thus the Love and Mercy of Father is produced in and through those Father has given this merciful gift to, for Father will have Mercy on who Father chooses.
So seek this Mercy and receive Mercy, thanks for all that are listening to the Love of Father, by and through the Son

 

[homwardbound]

The spirit witnesses of sin. One doesn't need the 10 commandments to do so.

So you are saying the Spirit of God convicts one of sin, okay is this over and over again after one comes to belief?
Or is the Spirit that CONVICTS one of their need for salvation found only in Christ. goes to work to show us that by Christ's death we are made Holy unto Father, we are forgiven, whether we sin again or not, it is done?
Or is forgiveness ongoing whether we sin or not?

 

[homwardbound]

So what is left, believe or not believe God and be dead daily to self so one might see life in God with God, only through Christ is this done and we love as God does 1 Cor 13:4-13, received from God to us. Then read the old self tries that do not accomplish what God has accomplished 1 Cor. 13:1-3
Just a little food to chew on and eat, then swallow as God shows you this

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

So you are saying the Spirit of God convicts one of sin, okay is this over and over again after one comes to belief?
Or is the Spirit that CONVICTS one of their need for salvation found only in Christ. goes to work to show us that by Christ's death we are made Holy unto Father, we are forgiven, whether we sin again or not, it is done?

Both......

 

[2Tim3vs16]

The Law of Moses was not a set of laws made up my Moses. Moses was the one that God used for a portion of HIS grand plan. The Mosaic law which was drafted to lead the nation of Israel, was Gods ideas. In it's original state the Law included many rituals set in place to be observed in perfection, but God knew that imperfect humans could not live up to the expectation. But the Jews themselves needed to be humbled so that they could see that they really did need a Savior provided by God. After all, if you feel fine and don't know you're falling short, why would you need a savior?
The 10 commandments were ten laws that would never change. That does not mean that they are THE ONLY laws of the Mosaic Law. God makes visible what he wants us to have at the proper time. Since Christ death we don't need the Mosaic Law which was a set of laws to prepare the people for Christs arrival. The parts of the Law that no longer apply to worship because God no longer requires us to live by those laws. But we still have laws that he has set as consistent standard....10 commandments. The are not the Mosaic Law, they are principles and expectations of us that God has stated will never change....those really important one's were "written in stone." Sabbath and circumcision are loosely practiced, but are not standards that will determine weather we enter the Kingdom as spoken of at 1 Cor 6:9-12. Matter of fact that scripture is very clear about what sexual immorality, yet, it is practiced loosely and most people call themselves Christians, have unmarried sex lives and associate with others who are practicing unmarried sex. While people argue the Mosaic Law they are proving that they can't even live up to the basic 10 commandments.
God isn't trying to set us up for failure. It's just that we think so highly of ourselves and yet we are ignorant, so we prove our own fragility and failure is what we are best at when we don't live by a simple 10 commandments. The Jews had even more regulations and life practices that God expected and they proved they couldn't live up to it. The Mosaic Law proved the point that God wanted to impress on them.

 

[2Tim3vs16]

Is this supposed to be a riddle?

 

[just-me]

Is this supposed to be a riddle?

No, but read from the beginning, and you will see that answer to the forum question. Contention has to start somewhere. Too bad it's among professing Christians that read the same Bible.

2 Timothy 3:16 (KJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP]All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

 

[2Tim3vs16]

I think that's why JW's don't call their place of worship "Church". They don't want to be confused with the rest of the Churches. I started studying the Bible with them a couple years ago because they are everything that modern Churches are not. I've been to enough to know the differences. I even like some. They weren't bad, but they didn't feel as spiritually clean as what I was searching for, for the same reasons you mention. I also, didn't feel like they ever got to the spiritual meat that I was discovering and wanted to talk about. I've been coming to this forum for a while and found the same people I've met at churches.

I've come to an understanding that the ONLY thing that matters, is what the Bible says, and they spend their time together studying it and discussing it and how to put it into practice and help one another to put it into practice. That's what I imagined Christianity should look when I read the Bible. They came to my door 3 years before I took them up on a free home Bible study. I've never had anyone from a church that I went to offer me anything free. Not to mention that they were willing to talk and listen to anything I wanted to talk about. BUT THEY ALWAYS REFERRED TO WHAT THE SCRIPTURES SAY, never resorting to "God's word is full of mystery". Matter of fact, everything is starting to fall into place and God's not a mystery...men make up mystery. You know when you're experiencing something different when you attend a couple JW meetings. Even the children participate in the discussions, and they sound spiritually more mature than a lot adults I've known. People like to judge the JW's for disfellowshipping, but that's Bible counsel, so that the entire congregation doesn't become apathetic toward sinful behavior as God defines it. It's not to cast them out, but to correct and encourage them to change an unrepentant attitude toward their sin. They have to stop doing whatever got them into trouble in order to get back association with their spiritual brothers and sisters. It doesn't happen a lot but when it does, people leave or they turn right around and do whatever it takes to be reinstated and everyone rejoices because they got their brother or sister back into the family. I've never experienced anything with so little nonsense, so real and Biblically sound. I mean, no one's perfect, but for someone looking for people all on one page. Loving, but not in a euphoric "praise the Lord" kind of way. I just know that I feel like I finally know what it looks like to "be in the world, but no part of it." Your conclusions about churches don't apply to all Christian forms of worship/religions.

 

[just-me]

Your conclusions about churches don't apply to all Christian forms of worship/religions.

Good point. I was thinking about the thread What Laws are still valid to christians

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posts, and we still haven't come to a conclusion An agreement to disagree is about the only conclusion that will happen on that thread. It's is however, enjoyable to those who participate.

 

[homwardbound]

Maybe this is because Law and Grace really does not mix, just as oil and water can't mix? yet one can put the two in one glass and stir it up enough to appear as to mix, when in truth after all settled, it separate's.
Just some food for thought.

 

[homwardbound]

Math is a formula for an end result right? Is God a Mathematical formula?

 

[homwardbound]

Is God a Spirit only?