Why has the mainstream church become a powerless church?

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Chokmahiel

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Sirk said:
I guess I've never looked it up. Seems some liberty has been taken with it. I don't find liberals to be particular generous with me about listening to my point of view.
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Lol good pun. Indeed liberal and liberty come from the same root of Liber, I think so anyways.
 
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kaylagrl said:

I think there are several reasons I think. One we are discussing in another thread is that people dont see reading the Bible as important anymore. Really we have become cultural Christians and nothing more. But I see changes coming that will separate the wheat from the chaff. I want to be sure Im on the right side when that day comes.
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In Germany we called them name Christians, as I was,before. I was baptized as baby and thought till I was 25 i am a Christian. Then people showed me the word of God John 1,12 and God opens my eyes for the truth. In Germany are only aproximately 2-3% born again Christians. Many belongs to the Protestant ore RC church, but have nothing to do with Jesus. Because they don't hear that they have to believe and trust in Him. Another reason the Bible is not taught as the word of God, but is written from people, so it has nothing to say for us today. This meaning is also coming slowly into the evangelical churches too. The people are hearing to preachers but not reading in their own Bible to find out is it right what the preacher teaches. As you say many reasons are there!
 
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kaylagrl said:

I think there are several reasons I think. One we are discussing in another thread is that people dont see reading the Bible as important anymore. Really we have become cultural Christians and nothing more. But I see changes coming that will separate the wheat from the chaff. I want to be sure Im on the right side when that day comes.
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In Germany we called them name Christians, as I was,before. I was baptized as baby and thought till I was 25 i am a Christian. Then people showed me the word of God John 1,12 and God opens my eyes for the truth. In Germany are only aproximately 2-3% born again Christians. Many belongs to the Protestant ore RC church, but have nothing to do with Jesus. Because they don't hear that they have to believe and trust in Him. Another reason the Bible is not taught as the word of God, but is written from people, so it has nothing to say for us today. This meaning is also coming slowly into the evangelical churches too. The people are hearing to preachers but not reading in their own Bible to find out is it right what the preacher teaches. As you say many reasons are there!
 
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Chokmahiel

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kaylagrl said:
​Giving liberally and being a liberal are not the same thing. Particularly a progressive liberal. There is a reason they are changing names all the time.They dont want to be nailed down to socialist/communist beliefs.
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Well why would you change their names all the time? Let the liberal be known by his liberality and the communist known by his communism. Seems pretty simple to me.
 
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Chokmahiel

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You equate being generous with being liberal? You're way off the reservation with that one. Jesus spoke out against the Jewish leaders for shutting out the Kingdom of Heaven against others. Jesus is the Way, the Truth and the Life; no one comes to the Father but through Him. That's as conservative as it gets. And I would encourage you to look up national figures as to who donates more time, money and energy towards helping others -- conservatives do by a long shot. Liberals are generous with other peoples' money but not their own.
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Lol, that made me laugh. Conservatives want to be more liberal than liberals.
 
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Chokmahiel said:
Well why would you change their names all the time? Let the liberal be known by his liberality and the communist known by his communism. Seems pretty simple to me.
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Even the devil disguises himself as an angel of light. Does a person who is about to lie to you tell you that they are gonna lie to you? Ha! Of course not!
 
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TraySir

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Chokmahiel said:
Lol, that made me laugh. Conservatives want to be more liberal than liberals.
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Liberals (try) to convince themselves and at least ALL others to cast their pearls to swine.
On the other hand, conservatives just know better. (We do.)
 
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stonesoffire said:
My answer has always been because of denying Holy Spirit to move...but am beginning to see more to this..

What do you all see?
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Brennan Manning Quote: The story goes that a public sinner was excommunicated and forbidden entry to the church. He took his woes to God. 'They won't let me in, Lord, because I am a sinner.''What are you complaining about?' said God. 'They won't let Me in either.”
 
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kaylagrl

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Chokmahiel said:
Well I never said Jesus is a socialist. Not sure if socialism is even real.

Well Jesus healed all manner sinners and ate with them and made company with them too. Seems pretty tolerant to me. Your comments here make me think of this episode in the Bible.

Matthew 9:10-13
[SUP]10 [/SUP]And it came to pass, as Jesus sat at meat in the house, behold, many publicans and sinners came and sat down with him and his disciples.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]And when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto his disciples, Why eateth your Master with publicans and sinners?
[SUP]12 [/SUP]But when Jesus heard that, he said unto them, They that be whole need not a physician, but they that are sick.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
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Quote " I never said Jesus is a socialist."

A liberal is the same as a socialist. Espouse the same beliefs.


Quote" Not sure if socialism is even real.

Trust me,its extremely real. Ask the people of Venezuela who are starving to death at this very moment.

Quote"Well Jesus healed all manner sinners and ate with them and made company with them too. Seems pretty tolerant to me."

Jesus ate with sinners. Are all your friends Christians? Unfortunately mine are not. They are still friends,I still see them socially and yes,we eat together. One just gave his life to the Lord about a month ago! Amen! But just because Jesus spent time with sinners doesn't mean He agreed with or tolerated their sins. He didn't wink at it,He called it out. Today when we say "tolerate" we mean accept.Jesus never,ever did that.
 
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kaylagrl

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wolfwint said:
In Germany we called them name Christians, as I was,before. I was baptized as baby and thought till I was 25 i am a Christian. Then people showed me the word of God John 1,12 and God opens my eyes for the truth. In Germany are only aproximately 2-3% born again Christians. Many belongs to the Protestant ore RC church, but have nothing to do with Jesus. Because they don't hear that they have to believe and trust in Him. Another reason the Bible is not taught as the word of God, but is written from people, so it has nothing to say for us today. This meaning is also coming slowly into the evangelical churches too. The people are hearing to preachers but not reading in their own Bible to find out is it right what the preacher teaches. As you say many reasons are there!
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And there is another reason why Islam is storming Germany and Europe the way the Cross had before them. If Christians are blind to the truth they are easily deceived. Unfortunately it happened in Germany before. And what brought about the Dark Ages? Something to think about.
 
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kaylagrl

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Chokmahiel said:
Well why would you change their names all the time? Let the liberal be known by his liberality and the communist known by his communism. Seems pretty simple to me.
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​They change their names. Why? Liberalism=Socialism=Communism. But you must know history to understand this.
 
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Chokmahiel said:
Well where is that guy? He sounds more interesting to talk to than the guy telling me what political parties I need to oppose and telling me to play with children and stuff.
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Utah said:
He'll shine through for you. In the meantime, stay away from liberals. :cool:
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Not likely. This one appears to need to do a bit more growing up than I want to sit around and wait for.
 
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Chokmahiel said:
Well where is that guy? He sounds more interesting to talk to than the guy telling me what political parties I need to oppose and telling me to play with children and stuff.
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PrynceNY said:
Idk that's pretty gross I think a handshake will do lol.
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It is kind of gross much of the time. But, not all of the people Jesus wants us to find will come walking through the doors of a church.
 
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Do a study of the 7'churches in Revalation. Also a study of the 1/3 angels the were deceived in the world that then was. 2 peter 3:5-6. Which is why guys like me find it harder and harder to share the gospel of our lord and savior Jesus Christ the in a world were there are more churches than bars these days.
 
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Chokmahiel said:
What's wrong with being generous? Pretty sure Jesus is liberal. Think about it. Jesus came to reform hearts, he spoke out against the conservative traditions of the jews, and he generously and tolerantly healed all sorts of people and forgave them of their sins. That's pretty liberal. How come the churches today don't do the same?
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Even liberals sometimes can't understand being simply radical and revolutionary.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Chokmahiel said:
Why, what's wrong with liberals? Wasn't Jesus a liberal?
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Nope.. Far from it.. Jesus would not be destroying things because he did not get his way, He told us to honor those who he put in charge over us, DO you see Liberals doing this? Jesus taught his disciples how to fish, Thats not a liberal idea.. Liberals are more socialist. Think Stalin, Hitler etc etc..
 
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Chokmahiel said:
What's wrong with being generous? Pretty sure Jesus is liberal. Think about it. Jesus came to reform hearts, he spoke out against the conservative traditions of the jews, and he generously and tolerantly healed all sorts of people and forgave them of their sins. That's pretty liberal. How come the churches today don't do the same?
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That was not liberal..Nor were the jews conservative.. You do not study much do you?
 
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