Why I Am An Apostate

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eternally-gratefull

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yes, and you are full of self deception. You even convinced yourself you can read my mind! You got it bad

lol.. No. I just study the word. and the word tells us that those who pray in vein repetitions are doing what I claimed you are doing.

Thats why you get for listening to men.

I pray you do not talk to you father or mother, your friends, your children (if you have any) or coworkers the way you talk to God (vein repetitions) if yuo do. you must not have much of a relationship with them at all.
 
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lol.. No. I just study the word. and the word tells us that those who pray in vein repetitions are doing what I claimed you are doing.

Thats why you get for listening to men.

I pray you do not talk to you father or mother, your friends, your children (if you have any) or coworkers the way you talk to God (vein repetitions) if yuo do. you must not have much of a relationship with them at all.
You think the rosary is the only thing I do? Wow, you and assumptions
 

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I don't understand this. Why are you critisizing Mother Terasa?
The purpose of post #70 wasn't to denigrate the value of Mother Teresa's
work in India, nor to critique her personally as a human being, but rather: to
examine the deplorable spiritual condition of an outstanding Catholic nun,
and diagnose its cause.

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†. Matt 16:18 . . I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail
against it.

The verse above was taken from the Douay Rheims. Modern versions of the
Bible have changed the wording just a bit to more accurately reflect what
Christ actually said, because hell (as we usually understand hell) is incorrect
since the Greek text doesn't use the word geena; instead, it uses haides,
which indicates the underground abode of the dead; so that the verse should
read like this:

†. Matt 16:18 . . I will build my church, and the gates of the netherworld will
not overcome it.

Some versions substitute the word "powers" for gates, but the Greek word is
pule (poo'-lay); which literally does mean a gate, viz: the leaf or wing of a
folding entrance. So then, the netherworld is depicted as a walled
community the entrance to and/or exit from is controlled by gates the likes
of those in the walls of the old city of Jerusalem, which had twelve gates.
Gates then, are designed to either keep people in or to keep people out.
Apparently the purpose of the netherworld's gates is to keep people in.

According to Jonah, the netherworld's gates are like the bars of a prison.
(Jonah 2:6)

Christ testified that his church could not be held by the bars of the
netherworld. He didn't say some of his church, nor most of his church.
Seeing as how he didn't qualify his statement, I think it's pretty safe to
assume Christ meant his entire church; from the lowliest pew warmer to the
top of the hierarchy.

Roman Catholicism insists that it alone is Christ's church. So then, if Rome's
claim is true, then the gates of the netherworld should be powerless to
permanently confine even one Catholic. In other words: no Catholic should
be in danger of missing out on heaven; but the fact of the matter is: Rome
cannot guarantee its followers 100% safety from the wrath of God; but
instead, fully expects to lose a number of its people to hell; and that should
not be if Roman Catholicism is Christ's true church; especially seeing as how
Christ is the custodian of the keys to the netherworld's gates.

†. Rev 1:18 . . I hold the keys of death and the netherworld.

†. John 5:24 . . I assure you, those who heed my message, and believe in
God who sent me, have eternal life. They will never be condemned for their
sins, but they have already transferred from death into life.

†. John 6:39-40 . .This is the will of Him who sent me, that of all that He has
given me; I lose nothing

†. John 10:27-28 . . My sheep heed my voice, and I know them, and they
follow me: and I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish,
neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

How many Roman Catholics can honestly say: I have eternal life, I have
passed from death into life, I will never be condemned for my sins, and I will
never perish? The truth is: they better not make such a claim because the
Council of Trent Session 6, Chapter 16, Canon 16 slams all such with
anathema for presuming to have that kind of confidence.

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†. 1Pet 3:15 . . Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks
you to give the reason for the hope that you have.

That passage should probably always accompany this next one.

†. Rom 8:23-25 . .We ourselves, who have the first-fruits of the Spirit,
groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for our adoption as sons: the redemption
of our bodies. For in this hope we were saved. But hope that is seen is no
hope at all. Who hopes for what he already has? But if we hope for what we
do not yet have, we wait for it patiently.

The New Testament Greek word for "hope" in those passages is elpis (el
pece') which means to anticipate (usually with pleasure); and to expect with
confidence. Note the elements of anticipation, and expectation, and
confidence.

Webster's definition of hope as a verb is very similar: 1) to desire with
expectation of obtainment, and 2) to expect with confidence and trust. Note
the elements of expectation, and confidence, and trust.

Webster's definition of hope as a noun is: 1) a desire accompanied by
expectation of, or belief in, fulfillment, and 2) expectation of fulfillment or
success. Note the elements of expectation, and belief.

The plan of salvation includes not only rescue from the wrath of God, but
also rescue from despair and feelings of futility. In other words: unbelievers
do not expect to survive the demise of their bodies, nor do they expect to
get another body in the afterlife; let alone a better body-- one that's
superior in all respects to the body they have now. Believers expect to not
only survive the demise of their body; but also to get a better body-- one
that's superior in all respects to the one they have now.

When somebody has that kind of hope, it rescues them from despair and
feelings of futility. In other words: the unbeliever's current existence is
futile, but the believer's current existence is merely a stepping stone to
something better. Believers have something to look forward to while
unbelievers have nothing to look forward to. That's what it means to be
"saved by hope". In other words: saved from having nothing to look forward
to. (cf. 1Cor 15:51-54)

†. Rom 12:12 . . Rejoicing in hope.

When people are praying for the best, while in the back of their mind
dreading the worst, they have absolutely no cause for rejoicing; no; but they
do have plenty of cause to fear the unknown.

Does an adherent of Catholicism have elpis hope? I don't think so; and in
point of fact, Church dogma forbids having it.

Council of Trent Session 6, Chapter 16, Canon 16: If anyone says that he
will for certain, with an absolute and infallible certainty, have that great gift
of perseverance even to the end, unless he shall have learned this by a
special revelation, let him be anathema. (cf. CCC 1020)

Webster's defines "anathema" as: a ban or curse solemnly pronounced by
ecclesiastical authority and accompanied by excommunication.

Since Rome doesn't permit elpis hope, then it's de facto that Rome's
constituents can't possibly comply with Peter's command to give a reason for
having it.

The Bible says that elpis hope is a "calling"

†. Eph 4:5 . .you were called to one hope when you were called

Catholicism's hope is not Peter's elpis hope; but rather, a somewhat nervous
state of anxiety and wishful thinking that hovers within a hair's breadth of
bitter disappointment.

The Council aside; it only stands to reason, that any candidate for a better
body who is in the process of working out their own salvation with fear and
trembling as per Rome's interpretation of Phlp 2:12, cannot possibly have
elpis hope.

Think about it. If a candidate for salvation is still in the process of working
out their own salvation with fear and trembling, then it's obvious they do not
believe themselves to have a better body locked in yet; ergo: no
conscientious Catholic can honestly look forward to a better body with a
100% doubt-free expectation of obtaining it; viz: they do not yet have the
kind of hope about which Peter wrote in 1Pet 3:15, nor the kind of hope
about which Paul wrote in Eph 4:5; and if they claim otherwise, then they
merit the penalty of Council of Trent Session 6, Chapter 16, Canon 16.

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Another Catholic hate thread. I knew it from the first post.
 
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Why am I an apostate??

CAUSE I'M A POWERFUL MAGE AND NO CIRCLE CAN HOLD ME!! MWAHUAHUAHUAHUA

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Sorry... I tried not to... but it was stronger than me........
 
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Rome's dogma of Christ's mom as a "new Eve" is a man-made Catholic
fantasy not found in the New Testament. In order for Christ's mom to be
considered a true Eve, she and Jesus would have to be the parents of an
entirely different human race distinctly separate from the race that God
created with Adam and Eve.

The in-house Catholic concept of Christ's mom being a "new Eve" and Jesus
being a "new Adam" implies the vilest sort of relationship: that of a mother
mating with her own son and bearing his children.

Though born-again Christians are a new race of human being, they are not
Mary's children: no, they are God's.

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John 1:12-13 . . But as many as accepted him, to them he gave the right
to become children of God, even to those who rely upon his name; who were
born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of
God.

†. John 3:5-6 . . Jesus answered; I tell you the truth, no one can enter the
kingdom of God unless he is born of water and The Spirit. Flesh gives birth
to flesh, but The Spirit gives birth to spirit.

The second births about which John wrote, and about which Christ spoke,
are the result of creative acts of God.

†. 2Cor 5:17 . . If any man be in Christ, he is a new creature

†. Gal 6:15 . . For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth anything, nor
un-circumcision, but a new creature.

Catholicism's "new Eve" is extrapolated from its own faulty logic; e.g. since
Mary is the mother of God, and God makes men new creatures via a second
birth performed by God, then to Catholicism, Mary is, in effect, the mother
of all born-again Christians.

However, God has neither a wife nor a mother: from the vanishing point in
the past, to the vanishing point in the future, God always was, He always is,
and He always will be because the Bible's God is an eternal life. Though Mary
was Christ's mother, nobody has ever been God's mother. Jesus was a flesh
and blood human being; while God is, and always has been, spirit rather
than flesh. (John 4:24)

NOTE: Catholicism has difficulty discerning between the Word of John 1:1
and the flesh that the Word became as per John 1:14. Though Christ's
mother could give birth to the flesh that the Word became, she could not
possibly have given birth to the Word; which, according to John 1:1-3 and
1John 1:1-2, preceded Mary's existence by an innumerable number of years.

Catholicism's theory of a new Eve is premised upon three gross errors.

1• Sin came into the world via Eve.

It didn't. The Holy Bible clearly, and without ambiguity, lays responsibility for
the entry of sin into the world squarely upon Adam (Gen 2:16-17, Rom
5:12, Rom 5:14-19). Eve instigated their sin, but her own act didn't do the
trick. It wasn't until Adam's eating that anything serious happened. (Gen
3:6-7)

2• Mary's submission to the Angel's announcement implies she was given a
choice. (Luke 1:38)

The Angel's announcement sought neither consent nor decision. It simply
informed Mary quite clearly, and without ambiguity, prior to her voluntary
submission, that the Holy Spirit was going to make her pregnant with a child
who would become the ultimate Israeli monarch. (Luke 1:31-35)

3• Mary was a special creation.

Catholicism's in-house teaching that Mary was a special creation isn't found
in The Holy Bible. There is absolutely nothing in the sacred record indicating
that she wasn't an ordinary Jewish girl produced by two ordinary Jewish
parents.

If perchance Mary had been a special creation, then Jesus himself would
have been the offspring of a special creation, and in no way biologically
related to either David, Abraham, nor Adam; and thus totally disqualified
from inheriting David's throne and/or redeeming the sins of his fellow man;
primarily because he wouldn't have any fellow men. However, the Bible
clearly, and without ambiguity, says David was Christ's biological kin (Luke
1:32, Acts 13:22-23, Rom 1:3) therefore Jesus' mother couldn't possibly
have been a special creation.

Q: If the Bible contains no information clearly stating that Jesus' mother was
a special creation; then why does the Church insist such a thing?

A: Allowing Christ to biologically descend from Adam would mean that Christ
shares the consequences of Adam's disobedience.

"Sin entered the world through one person, and through sin, death, and thus
death came unto all, inasmuch as all sinned." (Rom 5:12)

"all sinned" is grammatically past tense; which means that when Adam
sinned, his posterity sinned too; viz: everybody descending from Adam
became collateral damage; so to speak, including Christ. Don't ask me how
that's fair: I just know it's a reality.

Q: How can you be so confident that Christ was collateral damage just like
everybody else?

A: Easy. Two of the consequences of Adam's disobedience were mortality
(Gen 3:17-19) and loss of access to the tree of life (Gen 3:22-24). Had
Christ been immortal, and/or had access to the tree of life, the Romans
would have had like zero success trying to execute him on the cross.

The Bible says that Christ came into the world in the likeness of, not
innocent flesh, but of sinful flesh (Rom 8:3). In other words; he came into
the world as Adam's biological posterity; which means Christ really and truly
is humanity's fellow man; and if Rome can't cope with it; well; that's just too
bad.

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You think the rosary is the only thing I do? Wow, you and assumptions

I know he is banned, but in case anyone else reads.

does it matter if he does anything else or not? if your theology is so tainted that you need to make silly excuses, such as this is not the only thing I do, so its ok if I talk to God that way, even though I would never talk to anyone else that way.. there is something seriously wrong with your thinking.
 

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Catholicism's "new Adam" is a misnomer. It's supposed to be last Adam
rather than new Adam: and the last Adam isn't even a human being; no, the
last Adam is a spirit being.

†. 1Cor 15:45 . . So it is written: the first man Adam was made a living soul;
the last Adam: a life-giving spirit.

The reference is to Gen 2:7 where the Hebrew word for "living soul" is
nephesh (neh'-fesh) which categorizes critters as opposed to non critters. In
other words: nephesh is not only a label for humans; but also other species.
For example: aquatic life and birds (Gen 1:20). Cattle and beasts (Gen
1:24). Creepy crawlies (Gen 1:24). Everybody and every critter aboard
Noah's ark (Gen 9:10)

The meaning is: the first man Adam was endowed with life while the last
Adam is an endower of life. In other words: though the first man Adam was
alive, he was merely a critter; viz: the first man Adam did not have the
capability to construct either himself nor any other critter. But the last Adam
isn't a critter. He had, and does have, the capability to construct both
humans and critters. There are many spirits, but the last Adam is the one
spirit capable of creating living things.

The Watch Tower Society and its missionaries (a.k.a. Jehovah's Witnesses)
don't believe it's possible for someone to exist simultaneously as a human
being and as a spirit being. But the Christ of the Holy Bible is the irrefutable
proof of such a possibility.

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KJ Howell's explanation of the term "New Eve" supposes that Eve was a
virgin the day she succumbed to the Serpent's reasoning and ate the
forbidden fruit. His explanation is no doubt predicated upon the data
indicating that Eve and her husband produced their first child of record after
they were expelled from the garden.

†. Gen 3:23-4:1 . . So Yhvh God banished him from the garden of Eden to
work the ground from which he had been taken. After He drove the man out,
He placed on the east side of the garden of Eden cherubim and a flaming
sword flashing back and forth to guard the way to the tree of life. Adam lay
with his wife Eve, and she became pregnant and gave birth to Cain.

However, there is nothing in the sacred text clearly, and without ambiguity,
indicating that Eve was a virgin prior to Gen 4:1. At the very most, it can
only be safely deduced from the data that she wasn't a mother at the time.
And it would seem to me thoroughly illogical to assume that the first couple
- the most perfect specimens of human psyche and physicality that ever
existed --were frigid up until the moment they ate the fruit; especially since
God had already blessed them with fertility on the sixth day of creation, and
encouraged them to procreate prior to the forbidden fruit incident.

†. Gen 1:27 . . God created man in his image; in the divine image He
created him; male and female he created them. God blessed them, saying;
Be fertile and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it. Have dominion over the
fish of the sea, the birds of the air, and all the living things that move on the
earth.

I have, in the past, challenged Catholics to provide me with just one good
reason why Joseph and his Jewish wife did not at least try to have children
of their own after Jesus was born. The response I got?

Nobody cites the Bible; but rather, they cite Ste. Jerome's logic saying: "
What bigger blessing could two Moses-trained Jewish adults wish for than
the Messiah?" In other words, according to Ste. Jerome's logic; surely
Joseph and his wife would neither want, nor need, any additional children
than Jesus: implying that Joseph and his wife had fewer paternal feelings for
children than people do today for a pair of Manolo Blahik heels. Personally, I
have yet to know of anyone whose one pair of Blahniks were their only
shoes.

If Jerome didn't believe the holy couple had children of their own; fine. But it
was a gross error in his reasoning to assume that Joseph and his wife didn't
at least sleep together without first proving-- clearly, and without ambiguity
--that their libidos were somehow miraculously disabled.

No, it has to be assumed, from the normal round of human experience, that
Adam and his wife slept together prior to the forbidden fruit incident, and it
has to be assumed from the normal round of human experience that Joseph
and his wife slept together after Jesus was born. Otherwise I am forced to
seriously question Joseph's sexual preference.

You know, prior to their expulsion, Adam and his wife associated in the
nude. Exactly how KJ Howell could possibly believe that an otherwise
normal, red-blooded man, whose libido was unaffected by hormonal
irregularities, can associate 24-7 with a nude specimen of the most perfect
female form in existence, and not get aroused to mate, can't help but make
me question KJ Howell's own sexual preference.

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†. 1Tim 3:15 . . But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou
oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God; which is the church of the
living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.

It's a very common error among Catholics to look at that verse and let their
minds see the church of the living God as the pillar and ground of the truth
rather than the God of the church but that would make no sense at all since
the church of the living God consists of mortal human beings plagued with
human nature and a natural propensity to twist the truth rather than
preserve it.

The New Testament Greek word for "pillar" is stulos (stoo'-los); which
means: a post. The same word is used at Gal 2:9, Rev 3:12, and Rev 10:1.
Pillars (a.k.a. columns) were common structural members in the architecture
of the ancient world; utilized inside buildings as colonnades, and to hold the
roofs of porches in place. It was those kinds of structural members that
Samson tugged to pull down a Philistine temple (Jdg 16:29-30).

The word for "ground" is hedraioma (hed-rah'-yo-mah); which means: a
support. Unfortunately, 1Tim 3:15 is the only place in the entire New
Testament where hedraioma is used so it's difficult to really know precisely
what Paul was trying to convey. One of Webster's definitions of "support" is:
to provide a foundation for. That seems reasonable since colonnades don't
usually rest upon soil, but upon some type of solid flooring; which in turn
would rest, ideally, upon bedrock.

A much clearer translation of 1Tim 3:15 would be like this:

"But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave
thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, who is the
colonnade and the foundation of the truth."

The "truth" then, is depicted as a building constructed upon bedrock, and
whose roof is supported by colonnades; with God himself being both the
foundation and the colonnades.

You see, without the words "who is" that passage is vague and can trick the
mind into thinking that the building exists without God being an integral part
of the structure; but it doesn't. The building would collapse in an instant
during the very first earthquake without a solid foundation supporting hefty
colonnades. So then, the truth doesn't uphold God, no, just the opposite:
God upholds the truth (cf. John 14:6).

1Tim 3:15 is saying that if there were no real live God of the Bible out there
somewhere, then Christianity would be a silly myth and Christ's church no
more sacred than the Elk's Club. It's only the reality of a Bible's God that
makes so-called "truth" to be actually true and reliable.

FYI: The Bible is highly recommended by the Church.

"The Scriptures are sacred and canonical because: Having been written by
inspiration of the Holy Ghost, they have God for their author, and as such
have been handed down to the Church" (Vatican Council; Sess. III, c. ii)

"In its pages we recognize His voice, we hear a message of deep significance
for every one of us. Through the spiritual dynamism and prophetic force of
the Bible, the Holy Spirit spreads His light and His warmth over all men, in
whatever historical or sociological situation they find themselves." (Paulus PP
VI, from the Vatican, September 18, 1970)

So then; according to that Vatican Council and to Paulus PP VI; when I listen
to the Bible; I'm listening to the voice of God, and I'm also listening to that
which the Holy Spirit utilizes to spread His light and His warmth over all
men. Ironically, it was by my listening to the voice of God on the pages of
the Bible that the Holy Spirit led me to part company with Rome.

†. John 5:24 . . I assure you: those who listen to my message, and believe
in God who sent me, have eternal life. They will never be condemned for
their sins, but they have already passed from death into life.

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At the epicenter of New Testament Christianity is a man named Jesus Christ.
But at the epicenter of Catholicism is the woman who gave birth to the man
Jesus Christ. It's just a shame that the Christ of New Testament Christianity
has to compete with his own mother for the loyalties and affections of people
passing themselves off as his faithful followers.

†. John 12:32 . . And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men
unto [not my mother] me.

. Matt 17:5 . .While Peter was still speaking, a bright cloud enveloped
them, and a voice from the cloud said, "This is my Son, whom I love; with
him I am well pleased. You listen [not to his mother] to him!"

†. Matt 28:18 . .Then Jesus came to them and said, "All authority in heaven
and on earth has been given [not to my mother] to me."

†. Dan 7:13-14 . . In my vision at night I looked, and there before me was
one like a son of man, coming with the clouds of heaven. He approached the
Ancient of Days and was led into his presence. He was given authority, glory
and sovereign power; all peoples, nations and men of every language
worshiped [not his mother] him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion
that will not pass away, and his kingdom is one that will never be destroyed.

†. Phlp 2:8-11 . . And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself,
and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. Wherefore
God also hath highly exalted [not his mother] him, and given [not his
mother] him a name which is above every name (every name includes his
mother's name): that at the name of Jesus every knee (every knee includes
his mother's knees) should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth,
and things under the earth; And that every tongue (every tongue includes
his mother's tongue) should confess that Jesus Christ [not his mother] is
Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

†. Col 1:18-19 . . And he [not his mother] is the head of the body, the
church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things
he [not his mother] might have the preeminence. For it pleased the Father
that in him [not his mother] should all fullness dwell

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According to the 2011 World Almanac and Book Of Facts, the approximate
number of Christians tallied in the six major continents of Africa, Asia,
Europe, Latin America, Northern America, and Oceania as of mid 2009, was
2,264,492,000 or roughly 2.26 billion. Of that number were 1,142,604,000
Catholics. Those 1.14+ billion Catholics represented a whopping 50½% of all
Christendom. The remaining 49½% were splintered into five major non
Catholic groups-- Protestant, Independents, Orthodox, Anglican, Marginal,
and Unaffiliated.

If God's experiences with Yhvh's people in the Old Testament teaches me
anything at all it's that the majority is never in the right; no, it's always a
remnant that's right. A remnant is what's left over; like food at the end of
meal, or pieces of wood after a home is built, or material after a carpet is
laid.

According to Christ's and his Father's combined testimony as expert
witnesses, only Christians in the right-now possession of eternal life qualify
as valid believers (John 3:36, John 5:24, John 6:47, 1John 5:13). That really
narrows the field.

So then, we can rule out any, and all, Christian denominations teaching their
followers that nobody obtains eternal life before they die and pass over to
the other side. Within that group of denominations just happens to be the
single largest Christian denomination in the whole world: Roman
Catholicism.

Are you currently in possession of eternal life-- right now? The reason I ask
is because according to Christ's Father, as an expert witness in all matters
pertaining to His own son, Christians lacking eternal life; are also lacking
His son.

†. 1John 5:11-12 . . And this is what God has testified: He has given us
eternal life, and this life is in His son. So whoever has God's son has the life;
whoever does not have the life, does not have His son.

Christians lacking Christ are not his sheep.

†. Rom 8:9 . . And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not
belong to Christ.

Isn't that amazing!? Rome's huge following of approximately 1.14+ billion
Catholics is truly a church of the walking dead because according to the
testimony of God's son, as an expert witness in all matters pertaining to the
living and the dead; Christians have to possess eternal life in order to qualify
as one of the living; viz: without eternal life the default is death.

†. John 5:24 . .Truly, Truly, I say unto you: those who heed my message,
and believe in God who sent me, have eternal life. They will never be
condemned for their sins, but they have already transferred from Death into
Life.

According to John 5:24, I didn't have eternal life as a Catholic because:

1• I heeded Rome's message instead of heeding Christ's

2• I believed in Rome instead of believing in God

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I have read through this thread and don't understand how it can't be a Catholic hate thread. The OP is obviously stating his very low opinion of the Catholic Church. How does this edify anything?
 

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†. Rom 14:14-15 . . I know and am convinced in the Lord Jesus that nothing
is unclean in itself; but to him who thinks anything to be unclean, to him it is
unclean.

Although that passage primarily regards foods, it lays down an important
principle; viz: Be it unto you according to your conscience (cf. Rom 2:12
15).

Therefore, Rome's followers shall be judged according to their religion of
choice; ergo: they shall be punished for their every failing to comply with all
that Rome teaches and stands for-- every commandment, every Tradition,
every Bull, every Encyclical, every Vatican Council, and every last thing in
the Catechism.

†. Rom 2:5-11 . . For there is going to come a day of judgment when God,
the just judge of all the world, will judge all people according to what they
have done. He will give eternal life to those who persist in doing what is
good, seeking after the glory and honor and immortality that God offers. But
he will pour out his anger and wrath on those who live for themselves, who
refuse to obey the truth and practice evil deeds.

. . .There will be trouble and calamity for everyone who keeps on sinning;
for the Jew first and also for the Gentile. But there will be glory and honor
and peace from God for all who do good-- for the Jew first and also for the
Gentile. For God does not show favoritism.

The difficulty with obtaining glory, honor, and immortality via performance is
that God demands persistence (Rom 2:7) viz: doing what's good not just
some of the time, nor even most of the time, but all the time. I'd venture to
say that none in Rome have succeeded in doing good all the time; not even
the Pope; so how can Rome reasonably expect it's followers to succeed with
persistence? In point of fact, any Catholic, including the Pope, who thinks
they have what it takes to be persistent at doing good is in very big trouble.

Council of Trent Session 6, Chapter 16, Canon16: If anyone says that he will
for certain, with an absolute and infallible certainty, have that great gift of
perseverance even to the end, unless he shall have learned this by a special
revelation, let him be anathema.

Webster's defines "anathema" as a ban or curse solemnly pronounced by
ecclesiastical authority and accompanied by excommunication.

At the very least, Council of Trent Session 6, Chapter 16, Canon16
denounces those among Rome's followers brazen enough to think they have
what it takes to be persistent at doing good; and rightly so seeing as how no
doubt Rome itself has yet to succeed in consistently exemplifying even so
much as the Beatitudes or the Sermon On The Mount; let alone the rest of
the New Testament. Ergo: seeking after glory and honor and immortality via
Roman Catholicism is an iffy proposition at best.

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†. Rom 14:14-15 . . I know and am convinced in the Lord Jesus that nothing
is unclean in itself; but to him who thinks anything to be unclean, to him it is
unclean.

Although that passage primarily regards foods, it lays down an important
principle; viz: Be it unto you according to your conscience (cf. Rom 2:12
15).

Therefore, Rome's followers shall be judged according to their religion of
choice; ergo: they shall be punished for their every failing to comply with all
that Rome teaches and stands for-- every commandment, every Tradition,
every Bull, every Encyclical, every Vatican Council, and every last thing in
the Catechism.

†. Rom 2:5-11 . . For there is going to come a day of judgment when God,
the just judge of all the world, will judge all people according to what they
have done. He will give eternal life to those who persist in doing what is
good, seeking after the glory and honor and immortality that God offers. But
he will pour out his anger and wrath on those who live for themselves, who
refuse to obey the truth and practice evil deeds.

. . .There will be trouble and calamity for everyone who keeps on sinning;
for the Jew first and also for the Gentile. But there will be glory and honor
and peace from God for all who do good-- for the Jew first and also for the
Gentile. For God does not show favoritism.

The difficulty with obtaining glory, honor, and immortality via performance is
that God demands persistence (Rom 2:7) viz: doing what's good not just
some of the time, nor even most of the time, but all the time. I'd venture to
say that none in Rome have succeeded in doing good all the time; not even
the Pope; so how can Rome reasonably expect it's followers to succeed with
persistence? In point of fact, any Catholic, including the Pope, who thinks
they have what it takes to be persistent at doing good is in very big trouble.

Council of Trent Session 6, Chapter 16, Canon16: If anyone says that he will
for certain, with an absolute and infallible certainty, have that great gift of
perseverance even to the end, unless he shall have learned this by a special
revelation, let him be anathema.

Webster's defines "anathema" as a ban or curse solemnly pronounced by
ecclesiastical authority and accompanied by excommunication.

At the very least, Council of Trent Session 6, Chapter 16, Canon16
denounces those among Rome's followers brazen enough to think they have
what it takes to be persistent at doing good; and rightly so seeing as how no
doubt Rome itself has yet to succeed in consistently exemplifying even so
much as the Beatitudes or the Sermon On The Mount; let alone the rest of
the New Testament. Ergo: seeking after glory and honor and immortality via
Roman Catholicism is an iffy proposition at best.

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Do you do good all the time? Did Paul do good all the time?
Romans 7:15-25
Persistence means to keep on keeping on despite the challenges
 

WebersHome

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Did Paul do good all the time? Romans 7:15-25
If Paul found it impossible to fully comply with the covenant that his people
agreed upon with God as per the books of Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and
Deuteronomy; then he would have found it just as impossible to fully comply
with Roman Catholicism: all of its commandments, all of its Traditions;
every Bull, every Encyclical, every Vatican Council, and every thing in the
Catechism from first to last.

Paul did not recommend his people's God-given covenant as a viable path to
heaven; but rather, as a sure-fire path to hell.

†. Gal 3:10 . . For as many as are of the works of the law are under the
curse; for it is written: Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all
things which are written in the book of the law, to do them.

So then, I'm pretty confident that Paul wouldn't recommend a man-made
religion like Roman Catholicism as a viable path to heaven; but rather, as a
sure-fire path to hell right along with Wicca, Judaism, Atheism, Buddhism,
Hinduism, Mormonism, Islam, Scientology, Baha'i, et al.

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KennethC

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Do you do good all the time? Did Paul do good all the time?
Romans 7:15-25
Persistence means to keep on keeping on despite the challenges
Romans 7 is not Apostle Paul speaking on his current state in the faith, for he was explaining there the struggles he faced when first becoming a believer.

Notice how in verse 7:14 he says he is carnal sold under sin, but then in Romans 8:6 he shows that he could not remain carnal for that way leads to eternal death.