Why I keep the Sabbath FYI.

[PeterJens]

I have found if I do not keep one day in 7 special it does my head in.

The reason for not doing this is often worry, that somehow by working more, more will get done. But in reality I get more worn out and I loose perspective.

I want a day for family, church, and doing things quietly.

The sabbath though is different. No work, caused by anyone. So no electricity, or tv, or radio, or internet, or anything that might cause someone else to work. No newspapers, no telephone conversations etc.

You then begin to realise how big an impact this would have and how different our lives are at the moment. My rest though is in Jesus, 24/7, so from a religious perspective I am not bound by the law.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

why do I try to take a day of rest.

1. I work hard all week, My body needs a day to recover
2. My mind works hard all week, it needs a day to relax and not be so stressed.

The day of sabbath was given for man, for for God..

Your not holy if you keep it, your not a child of God if you keep it. Your not anythng if you keep it but rested (even a sinner who does not believe in God can keep it and keep the benefits of it)

so why do people want to keep focuing on the law. And not Christ?

Amen ........

 

[TheAristocat]

So here is why I keep the Sabbath, and guess what it is not because the 4th commandment says so. Don't get me wrong the 4th commandment did play a role in why I keep the Sabbath but it is not the reason I keep the Sabbath.

Let me explain,

See I know the Law shows us sin as it is written:


Rom 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

So the law does not save or justify but gives us or shows us what sin is.

So why then is the 4th commandment there? here is what it says:
Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:

So sin is not remembering to keep the Sabbath Holy, but why? what is so important about this 7th day Sabbath that makes it sin not to keep it? The answer I find is in the commandment itself as it is written:
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

So the reason is because God created and on this day he rested/stopped and blessed this day and sanctified it or set it apart for Holy use.

This sparked my interest, out of all the 10 commandments 9 of them make sense as sin, don't kill, steal, put God first etc. They all make sense, but the one commandment that makes the least sense is the 4th why keep the 7th day Holy? This is why in verse 11 God gives us a reason.

God wants us to know why it is sin not to keep the 7th day Sabbath, he wants us to understand that the reason He wants us to keep it Holy is because that was the day He made Holy, that He blessed after making the heavens and the earth and us.

So I went back to see this and just as the commandment says so I found as it is written:
Gen 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
Gen 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

So suddenly I realized that this day did not become holy when God gave the commandment, but was already holy right back at the beginning before sin even came to this world. And it was Holy because God made it so. This day was special because it was made by God to be Holy to be set apart. Its not different because of a law, its different because God made it so.

What then is the purpose of the law on this point? It serves as a reminder, a call to remember that the day is holy because God made it so as it is written:

Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.

So the law did exactly what it was meant to do, it pointed out what was sin by showing what was good.

The 7th day Sabbath needs no law to apply because all the commandment does is remind us of the fact that the 7th day was made holy from the beginning. It calls us to remember that it is set apart from other days by God because He rested on that day and made it special.

So you may be wondering, why many who keep the Sabbath use the 4th commandment so much when talking to those who do not keep it. The answer is simple, It is the commandment that points out sin by what is good. To those who break it the law serves to remind and point them to the unchangeable fact that the 7th day has been Holy right back from the foundation of the world.

The law only serves to remind us and point us to why we should be keeping the Sabbath.

Very good point. I'm going to post this in the Messianic Jewish Believers group. Truth comes from many sources as long as it is truth. I hope you don't mind.

 

[KohenMatt]

well, this would be a reachable goal if folks would stop saying if you don't keep the Sabbath, if you eat pork, if you believe this or don't believe that, then you are a sinner, not saved,etc..

I have yet to find anyone here who says that if you don't keep the Sabbath you're not saved.

Nobody's man enough, or honest enough with themselves, to say it directly and openly. This is how it's presented: No one is saved by works, but true faith will produce works. What they really mean is: No one is saved by works of law, but true faith will produce works of law. A double-minded contradiction.

Cop-out.

You're putting words in peoples' mouths in order to promote your own position. It is ridiculous to say that someone believes something, but have no evidence to back it up except to say that they won't say it.

False accusation.

It would be the same thing as me saying, "HeRoseFromTheDead says he is free. That means he thinks we can do whatever we want and sin however we want." And when challenged whether that was true, I can just say, "He's not man enough or honest enough with himself to say it directly and openly." (DISCLAIMER: This is an example. It can apply to ANYONE'S statements of any kind. I'm not saying you believe this.)

There are so many false accusations thrown around on this site (by both sides of the Law-Keeping debate) in order to promote their own beliefs that it is laughable.

I guess some people just have a flair for the dramatic.

 

[KohenMatt]

The principles of the law are love and faith. Once you learn how to run, you don't need to take baby steps anymore.

But you should still do things to demonstrate that love.

I can't build a balcony with no railing (Deut 22:8) and take my neighbor up to show him, and when he falls off I can't still say, "But I love you!"

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

But you should still do things to demonstrate that love.

I can't build a balcony with no railing (Deut 22:8) and take my neighbor up to show him, and when he falls off I can't still say, "But I love you!"

That's just common sense. I don't need the bible for things like that.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

You're right, no one can keep the Law perfectly.

But that doesn't mean their principles and God's desire to follow them aren't still in effect. It's about putting obedience to the Law in proper perspective. And that's recognizing you don't have to keep them perfectly, but they're good instructions on how to live.

I disagree, for this would be watering down Gods law.

God made a demand, We most confirm and obey every jot and tittle.

So when we look at the law all we can do is see condemnation.

Why would we do this?

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

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Look, I've watched some folks here, and that is the way they operate. I know what I'm talking about. I could name names, but I'll refrain.

Cop-out.

You're putting words in peoples' mouths in order to promote your own position. It is ridiculous to say that someone believes something, but have no evidence to back it up except to say that they won't say it.

False accusation.

It would be the same thing as me saying, "HeRoseFromTheDead says he is free. That means he thinks we can do whatever we want and sin however we want." And when challenged whether that was true, I can just say, "He's not man enough or honest enough with himself to say it directly and openly." (DISCLAIMER: This is an example. It can apply to ANYONE'S statements of any kind. I'm not saying you believe this.)

There are so many false accusations thrown around on this site (by both sides of the Law-Keeping debate) in order to promote their own beliefs that it is laughable.

I guess some people just have a flair for the dramatic.

 

[KohenMatt]

That's just common sense. I don't need the bible for things like that.

So if I do that in part because it's in the Bible, am I in error?

 

[KohenMatt]

I disagree, for this would be watering down Gods law.

God made a demand, We most confirm and obey every jot and tittle.

So when we look at the law all we can do is see condemnation.

Why would we do this?

Why "must" we obey every jot and tittle? For what reason? What will happen if I don't do it perfectly?

 

[tourist]

Why "must" we obey every jot and tittle? For what reason? What will happen if I don't do it perfectly?

I believe that God's standard is perfect but Jesus understands the human condition and has made provisions for our weakness by dying on the cross for our transgressions.

Line upon line, precept upon precept. A little here, a little there.

 

[KohenMatt]

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Look, I've watched some folks here, and that is the way they operate. I know what I'm talking about. I could name names, but I'll refrain.

That is again a cop-out.
"A couple of people have a particular belief, but I won't say who it is. So then everyone associated with that group is wrong."

Otherwise, your accusations are completely invalid because there is no evidence of it.

 

[purpose]

Job 6:24-25

" Teach me, and I will hold my tongue, and make me understand how I have erred.

How forceful are right words! But what does your arguing prove?

 

[KohenMatt]

I believe that God's standard is perfect but Jesus understands the human condition and has made provisions for our weakness by dying on the cross for our transgressions.

Line upon line, precept upon precept. A little here, a little there.

Exactly.
My point is that because of that provision, I am free to obey God's instructions, however weakly or imperfectly I might obey them. Just because I've been freed from the punishment of disobedience to God's instructions doesn't mean I can forget about the instructions all together.

 

[KohenMatt]

But you should still do things to demonstrate that love.

I can't build a balcony with no railing (Deut 22:8) and take my neighbor up to show him, and when he falls off I can't still say, "But I love you!"

That's just common sense. I don't need the bible for things like that.

If I see my neighbor's dog running loose down the street and I choose not to catch it (Deut 22:1-3) and it gets run over, can I still tell my neighbor, "But I still I love you!"

 

[KohenMatt]

If I see my neighbor's dog running loose down the street and I choose not to catch it (Deut 22:1-3) and it gets run over, can I still tell my neighbor, "But I still I love you!"

Moreover, can I choose to not give the recently widowed woman next door to me a meal (James 1:27), but still tell God "I still love you!"

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Why "must" we obey every jot and tittle? For what reason? What will happen if I don't do it perfectly?

Again??

Spoken by moses:

[h=1]Deuteronomy 27:26[SUP]
26 [/SUP]‘Cursed is the one who does not confirm all the words of this law by observing them.’[/h]“And all the people shall say, ‘Amen!’



As confirmed by Paul

Gal 3: [SUP]10 [/SUP]For as many as are of the works of [SUP][o][/SUP]the Law are under a curse; for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who does not abide by all things written in the book of the law, to perform them.”

So again I ask, Why do you want to water the law down?

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

So if I do that in part because it's in the Bible, am I in error?

No, of course not.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Moreover, can I choose to not give the recently widowed woman next door to me a meal (James 1:27), but still tell God "I still love you!"

did you eed the law to tell you that, Or did you just have to realise, God loved me, and gave me his son, I need to take that love and stop serving self, but serve others..

and if I fail to do this (I failed to serve my neighbor because I wanted to keep for myself) I am in sin, because I failed to love because I loved self first.

I did not need the law to tell me either of these things.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

That is again a cop-out.
"A couple of people have a particular belief, but I won't say who it is. So then everyone associated with that group is wrong."

Otherwise, your accusations are completely invalid because there is no evidence of it.

It's more than a couple. And no, not everyone who observes the sabbath is wrong. Just depends on your motive. If you are trying to please GOD, then you are in error, because without faith it is impossible to please GOD; and works of law are not faith.