Why I keep the Sabbath FYI.
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I still think it's a bit of a cop-out to say that a couple of people believe such-and-such about the Sabbath/Law yet have no evidence that anyone does, and make it sound like all people who follow the Sabbath/Law believe that way.
Regardless, you need to do a better job of qualifying what you say about Sabbath/Law-keepers and distinguish that only a few of them have erroneous beliefs, while not coming against ALL who keep the Sabbath/Law.
Regardless, you need to do a better job of qualifying what you say about Sabbath/Law-keepers and distinguish that only a few of them have erroneous beliefs, while not coming against ALL who keep the Sabbath/Law.
Look, I'm not going to go back and dig up evidence just to convince your doubting mind. And it's not my job to qualify what I say about sabbath keepers, because as far as I'm concerned they're all stumbling blocks to the brethren. If you like to keep the sabbath, bless you and have a nice day. But quit making such an issue about it, and trying to convince others that it is something they need to do, because as long as you do, you will get grief. Havest thou faith to do something? Have it to yourself before GOD.
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He Still required perfection. And all the people said AMEN..
so when are you going to say AMEN?
Because the law says obey perfectly, or you under a curse.
God said it not me, your argument is with God.
Did God lie?
Did he say, here is my law. Now obey every jott and tittle, or you will be cursed.
Then later say ok, Now you have obeyed it 98 percent, so your ok.
You obeyed it 90 percent, I will let you be ok
You obeyed it 80 %, I give to you the curse required for whoever did not keep my law to my standard.
God said every word. when we say not every word, but I am still morally good, we water it down. Because anythign short of perfection is NOT perfection.
so when are you going to say AMEN?
Because the law says obey perfectly, or you under a curse.
God said it not me, your argument is with God.
Did God lie?
Did he say, here is my law. Now obey every jott and tittle, or you will be cursed.
Then later say ok, Now you have obeyed it 98 percent, so your ok.
You obeyed it 90 percent, I will let you be ok
You obeyed it 80 %, I give to you the curse required for whoever did not keep my law to my standard.
God said every word. when we say not every word, but I am still morally good, we water it down. Because anythign short of perfection is NOT perfection.
JESUS fulfilled the Law..in HIM is real deliverance. Why try to live by what Moses brought down from Mt. Sinai on two tablets that he later broke and had to have them redone? If we follow JESUS, we would not want to covet, or murder, or have other god's before us, etc. I do not need to have the Law posted on my local courthouse to remind me of JESUS CHRIST.
For those who are confused on this issue take a look at the replies against the Sabbath on this thread and notice that they will not address the facts given in the OP. They will bring in many arguments that may sound good until you really think about it. Do not be deceived by their distractions. I will show some of them as I have time.
Notice this argument, Ask yourself what are the assumptions here.
The suggestion is that to sanctify the Lord God in your hearts is better than keeping the Sabbath Holy. Now ask yourself even if this is true does it now make what God did in the beginning worthless or worthy of ignoring?
Was there ever a time when we should not sanctify/set apart the Lord in our hearts? I would suggest no, God should always have a priority place in our hearts and this was true also at the time the 7th day was made Holy.
This is simply a distraction statement that tries to use truth to derail another truth. That is why it makes sense, it is true but the implication that this truth is used for is a lie.
The suggestion is that to sanctify the Lord God in your hearts is better than keeping the Sabbath Holy. Now ask yourself even if this is true does it now make what God did in the beginning worthless or worthy of ignoring?
Was there ever a time when we should not sanctify/set apart the Lord in our hearts? I would suggest no, God should always have a priority place in our hearts and this was true also at the time the 7th day was made Holy.
This is simply a distraction statement that tries to use truth to derail another truth. That is why it makes sense, it is true but the implication that this truth is used for is a lie.
Here is another distraction so lets actually examine this claim.
The base premise of this argument is that The Sabbath was done away with in Christ as Christ becomes our rest.
Such will use texts like this:
Mat 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
So does this make the Sabbath 7th day no longer Holy? A small amount of thought applied here would quickly derail this distraction argument.
Ask yourself this simple Question: Can anything change the fact that God Made the 7th day Holy and set it apart for Holy use and Blessed it?
Anyone who asks this question will actually derail pretty much every argument against the Sabbath.
Yes Jesus gives us rest but does that change the fact that He made the 7th day Holy. In fact does Jesus say that he has replaced the Sabbath. Or for that matter how can you replace a established fact?
The problem with this argument is it is based on pure assumption that can not be substantiated, Jesus being our rest does not affect the 7th day being holy one bit. Apply a little thought and you will see these arguments are baseless and actually devoid of rational thought. They have an appearance of wisdom on the surface but have no substance.
Don't be fooled.
The base premise of this argument is that The Sabbath was done away with in Christ as Christ becomes our rest.
Such will use texts like this:
Mat 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
So does this make the Sabbath 7th day no longer Holy? A small amount of thought applied here would quickly derail this distraction argument.
Ask yourself this simple Question: Can anything change the fact that God Made the 7th day Holy and set it apart for Holy use and Blessed it?
Anyone who asks this question will actually derail pretty much every argument against the Sabbath.
Yes Jesus gives us rest but does that change the fact that He made the 7th day Holy. In fact does Jesus say that he has replaced the Sabbath. Or for that matter how can you replace a established fact?
The problem with this argument is it is based on pure assumption that can not be substantiated, Jesus being our rest does not affect the 7th day being holy one bit. Apply a little thought and you will see these arguments are baseless and actually devoid of rational thought. They have an appearance of wisdom on the surface but have no substance.
Don't be fooled.
Gotime,
Let's take a break from the status quo of Sabbath debates and re-visit your original topic: "Why" we keep the Sabbath. All of the debates and arguments mean very little if there is no practical application or understanding that bears fruit in your life.
So what is some fruit you have seen in your life since keeping the Sabbath? (Just a warning, I'm sure there will be those who will counter these answers with a "I do that or enjoy that every day of the week" criticism.)
For me, one thing is that no matter what kind of week my children have had with disobedience, rebellion and cruddy attitudes, Friday night always seems to bring them back into right order. My wife and I can be as diligent in the discipline of our kids all week, but God almost always moves in mighty ways to bring them in line, and to have God's presence in their lives for the Sabbath.
Let's take a break from the status quo of Sabbath debates and re-visit your original topic: "Why" we keep the Sabbath. All of the debates and arguments mean very little if there is no practical application or understanding that bears fruit in your life.
So what is some fruit you have seen in your life since keeping the Sabbath? (Just a warning, I'm sure there will be those who will counter these answers with a "I do that or enjoy that every day of the week" criticism.)
For me, one thing is that no matter what kind of week my children have had with disobedience, rebellion and cruddy attitudes, Friday night always seems to bring them back into right order. My wife and I can be as diligent in the discipline of our kids all week, but God almost always moves in mighty ways to bring them in line, and to have God's presence in their lives for the Sabbath.
What God did in the beginning was choose us in Jesus.
For he chose us in him before the creation of the world to be holy and blameless in his sight. In love he predestined us for adoption to sonship through Jesus Christ, in accordance with his pleasure and will-- (Eph 1)
When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made you alive with Christ. He forgave us all our sins, having canceled the charge of our legal indebtedness, which stood against us and condemned us; he has taken it away, nailing it to the cross. (Col 2)
For he chose us in him before the creation of the world to be holy and blameless in his sight. In love he predestined us for adoption to sonship through Jesus Christ, in accordance with his pleasure and will-- (Eph 1)
When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made you alive with Christ. He forgave us all our sins, having canceled the charge of our legal indebtedness, which stood against us and condemned us; he has taken it away, nailing it to the cross. (Col 2)