Why is Christianity so focused on Sin?

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FreeNChrist

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That doesn't answer his questions & it sounds as if you are encouraging others not to confess to God & seek forgiveness when they have sinned. You keep repeating your not under the law as if God doesn't mind when people sin.
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I corrected his premise, which was nothing more than a deliberate attempt to put words in my mouth, making his question a moot point. I can't help you with your imagining the meaning of things I haven't said, anymore than I can him.
 
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FreeNChrist said:
Why am I not surprised? :rolleyes:
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You told me we aren’t under the law and therefore can’t sin. Jesus spoke of sin. Do you think Jesus was a heretic?

Afterward, Jesus found him in the temple, and said to him, "See, you are well! Sin no more, that nothing worse befall you.” John 5:14 RSV
 
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You told me we aren’t under the law and therefore can’t sin. Jesus spoke of sin. Do you think Jesus was a heretic?

Afterward, Jesus found him in the temple, and said to him, "See, you are well! Sin no more, that nothing worse befall you.” John 5:14 RSV
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You're just adding to your misery. :rolleyes:
 
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There seems to be this attitude, that I am so aware of God that I am not aware of sin...I hate to break the news, but the more aware you are of God the more aware you are of sin(in yourself). If you feel guilty then ask God for forgiveness in Jesus name and you have no reason to feel guilty because you have been forgiven.
 
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There seems to be this attitude, that I am so aware of God that I am not aware of sin...I hate to break the news, but the more aware you are of God the more aware you are of sin(in yourself). If you feel guilty then ask God for forgiveness in Jesus name and you have no reason to feel guilty because you have been forgiven.
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Or we could actually believe the gospel and believe that we have the forgiveness of sins because of the blood of Jesus.

This knowledge means that we confess all things to the Father including any sins that are destroying us and those we love - but not in order to get forgiveness which is something that Christ already accomplished with His blood but to talk all things over with our Father and that we believe in what His Son our Lord has done for us. We confess Christ and His work. We access the grace of God by faith in what Christ has done.

To confess means "to say the same thing" and it is used for all things including sin and also the forgiveness that is in Christ which we receive by grace through faith in Christ's work on the cross and resurrection.
 
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FreeNChrist said:
Why am I not surprised? :rolleyes:
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According to you, we are not under the law and therefore, there are no commandments. However, John says we need to obey the Lord’s commandments, making me wonder if I am to believe him or you:

For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments. And his commandments are not burdensome. 1 John 5:3 RSV
 
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Wow! Did not think any Christian could contradict what I wrote in post 64 because that is the gospel. If you really know God then He will convict you immediately if you sin in any way and that gives us the opportunity to ask forgiveness in Jesus name. If you go through life without any conviction of sin...then something is very wrong.
 
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resurrection33 said:
According to you, we are not under the law and therefore, there are no commandments. However, John says we need to obey the Lord’s commandments, making me wonder if I am to believe him or you:

For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments. And his commandments are not burdensome. 1 John 5:3 RSV
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Take it up with Paul, Sparky.
 
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FreeNChrist said:
Why am I not surprised? :rolleyes:
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After all is said and done, why should it be a problem to obey the Lord’s commandments?

For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments. And his commandments are not burdensome. 1 John 5:3 RSV
 
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After all is said and done, why should it be a problem to obey the Lord’s commandments?

For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments. And his commandments are not burdensome. 1 John 5:3 RSV
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You tell me. If they are not so burdensome, why is it so difficult for you to not bear false witness against others?
 
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samuel23 said:
Wow! Did not think any Christian could contradict what I wrote in post 64 because that is the gospel. If you really know God then He will convict you immediately if you sin in any way and that gives us the opportunity to ask forgiveness in Jesus name. If you go through life without any conviction of sin...then something is very wrong.
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And if you go through life thinking living a homosexual lifestyle is a good thing - something is very wrong.

The real gospel was preached by Peter in Acts 10 and by Paul in Acts 13 - go read it and you will find it is different then what some in the western evangelical religion says it is.

Why don't you ask for the Father to send Jesus to die on the cross to shed His blood for the forgiveness of sins?
 
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Why did Peter say, "depart from me Lord for I am a sinful man"? Of course he was shocked by the power of God working through Jesus, and that made him aware of sin in his life. If being close to God does not cause you to see how you have sinned, then you are not close to God. The good news is that once you confess that sin and ask for forgiveness then you can enjoy the fellowship of God. There are folks in here who sin against God just by the attitude that they present, and many of these folks are the ones claiming they never sin. Listen, while in this flesh we have an opportunity to ask for forgiveness and God will grant it, do not let your chance go by.
 
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That last wisecrack is an example of sin, do you even know what sin is? Out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks(in this case writes).
 
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Whatsoever is not of faith is sin. Sin is not believing in what Christ has done by the shedding of His blood on the cross and in His resurrection in order to obtain eternal redemption for us - the forgiveness of sins.

Hebrews 9:12 (NASB)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] and not through the blood of goats and calves, but through His own blood, He entered the holy place once for all, having obtained eternal redemption.

Ephesians 1:7 (KJV)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;

Colossians 1:14 (KJV)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
 
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FreeNChrist said:
Why am I not surprised? :rolleyes:
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Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. Matt 5:19 RSV
 
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resurrection33 said:
Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. Matt 5:19 RSV
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who does this??
 
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"And Jesus said, For judgment I am come into this world, that they which see not might see; and that they which see might be made blind. And some of the Pharisees which were with him heard these words, and said unto him, Are we blind also? Jesus said unto them, If ye were blind, ye should have no sin: but now ye say, We see; therefore your sin remaineth." (John 9:39-41)

"If I had not come and spoken unto them, they had not had sin: but now they have no cloke for their sin." (John 15:22)
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These have to be read in context or the Bible will contradict itself., yet we know the Bible never contradicts itself. What is lacking is our understanding.

Jesus didn't come for the purpose of judgment (John 3:17) but it results in that later because some decided against Him. (Study Bible notes)... Compare Mark 4:12 and Isa.6:9 The Pharisees' insistence that they could see make their sin willful.

Jesus came to save those who are lost.



 
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Why can't it be just about experiencing the love of God? Why not just about knowing the Holy Spirit, living by the wisdom in the Bible?


Instead, new believers have to feel guilty about their Sin. Let's be honest, most people are not sinners but losers. They struggle in their jobs, their finances, their health etc.

They struggle to pay the bills, to find someone who actually cares about them.

They feel normal human emotions like anger, frustrations, hate, even lust.

Why is that evil?

Now such a person would love to experience the love of Jesus & the guidance of the Holy Spirit.

But to reach there, they first have to confess their sins, feel bad about themselves.

It is almost as if sin is the key concept in the Bible.

My parents know me with all my shortcomings. They still love me, and never ask me to confess my so called "sins" everyday for them to love me. Why is it different with God the Father then?

If Christianity was more about spreading the love and forgiveness of Jesus, and less about the condemnation of Sin - we would have lot more believers. Who doesn't want God as a personal friend?

And just for the sake of argument, here is what other religions say on the topic of sin:

Hinduism: The concept of Sin doesn't even exists. They have more of a guidelines about living an ethical life.
Islam: The concept of Sin exists, and good deeds must be performed regularly to outweight the quota of sin in a person's life.
Buddhism: The concept of Sin doesn't exists. "Paapa" or "Punya" are towards another person, whereas Biblical Sin is against God.
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We sin every day. Most of us. And those that do not, then every other day.
Something that is so persistent and destructive.
Jesus gave his life because of sin. Let me repeat that: The son of God, who was without sin, died a horrific death for atonement of our sins.
It is the central act of all of human history and probably all of cosmic history.
And we should live as if sin should not cross our minds now and then?
 
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JosephsDreams said:
We sin every day. Most of us. And those that do not, then every other day.
Something that is so persistent and destructive.
Jesus gave his life because of sin. Let me repeat that: The son of God, who was without sin, died a horrific death for atonement of our sins.
It is the central act of all of human history and probably all of cosmic history.
And we should live as if sin should not cross our minds now and then?
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Here is the problem.

"We sin every day" - this is a strange confession. So a mass murderer lives in our
community. They should be rounded up and put in prison for the safety of all.

Too often this kind of language is taken for granted, and to oppose it or even
question it is obviously wrong, being pompous or self righteous.

But what sin are we talking about, and surely this is just saying Christ has done
nothing of any significance among His people.
 
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resurrection33 said:
After all is said and done, why should it be a problem to obey the Lord’s commandments?

For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments. And his commandments are not burdensome. 1 John 5:3 RSV
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The problem is you can not do it perfectly.. And it was NEVER given to show you how to live a righteous life, it was given as a tutor to lead you to christ only. WHy?

Because you cannot live up to the requirment of the law.

How do we live and obey Gods commands.

1. We get saved, and recieve eternal life, born again so we can love as he loved us.
2. Love th elord our God and our neighbor, in THIS is the law fulfilled.

How is it not fulfilled? By obeying the law..

The law is not a burden because we have been given grace, we are not BOUND by it anymore.. it can not condemn us anymore, so we can go on and love love and give more love,, knowing that when we fail (and we will) God does not condemn us, but loves us.. and we can get back up and keep pressing on..
 
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