WHY SO MUCH HATRED AND DISTRUST FOR THE LOCAL CHURCH? BEWARE THE KOOKS
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Eph 4:11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
Eph 4:12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
Eph 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
Eph 4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
Eph 4:15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:
Eph 4:16 From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love.
1Co 14:32 And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets.
1Co 14:33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
1Co 1:10 Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.
1Co 1:11 For it hath been declared unto me of you, my brethren, by them which are of the house of Chloe, that there are contentions among you.
1Co 1:12 Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ.
1Co 1:13 Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?
This is a lot more harder to do,for the saints can come assemble together,for that is not really a hard thing to do,but for them to all agree is impossible,and I mean that,it is impossible,and I am talking about people that claim Jesus as Lord and Savior,and God manifest in the flesh.
For they say I am of Paul,and I of Jesus(which only of Jesus,but heed Paul for he spoke the words of Jesus),and I of John Calvin,and I of Martin Luther,and I of the Pope,and so forth,which there can be conflicting interpretations between them,which a lot of people adhere to one of them,may mingle a few.
People can come together,for the sake of coming together to try to have harmony,but that does not mean they will agree with each other,like the promise keepers,they were not concerned with their denomination,for they can come together,but they will not all agree with each other.
It is impossible for all people who claim Jesus as Lord and Savior,and God manifest in the flesh,to agree with each other,because they allow people they view as spiritual giants to influence them,and sometimes the flesh likes to hear things their way,which is a sin like any other sin.
1Jn 2:26 These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you.
1Jn 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.
Act 17:10 And the brethren immediately sent away Paul and Silas by night unto Berea: who coming thither went into the synagogue of the Jews.
Act 17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.
Not everybody will go by these scriptures,and allow the Spirit to show them the word,and check the word of God to see if what they say is true,but a lot are influenced by people that they consider someone important in relating the word of God,which if a common pew sitter said the same thing,a lot would not take it to heart,but if someone who has millions of people following them it appears more realistic to them,although we need not that any person teach us,and is the Pope not popular.
Eph 4:12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
Eph 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
Eph 4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
Eph 4:15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:
Eph 4:16 From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love.
1Co 14:32 And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets.
1Co 14:33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
1Co 1:10 Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.
1Co 1:11 For it hath been declared unto me of you, my brethren, by them which are of the house of Chloe, that there are contentions among you.
1Co 1:12 Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ.
1Co 1:13 Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?
This is a lot more harder to do,for the saints can come assemble together,for that is not really a hard thing to do,but for them to all agree is impossible,and I mean that,it is impossible,and I am talking about people that claim Jesus as Lord and Savior,and God manifest in the flesh.
For they say I am of Paul,and I of Jesus(which only of Jesus,but heed Paul for he spoke the words of Jesus),and I of John Calvin,and I of Martin Luther,and I of the Pope,and so forth,which there can be conflicting interpretations between them,which a lot of people adhere to one of them,may mingle a few.
People can come together,for the sake of coming together to try to have harmony,but that does not mean they will agree with each other,like the promise keepers,they were not concerned with their denomination,for they can come together,but they will not all agree with each other.
It is impossible for all people who claim Jesus as Lord and Savior,and God manifest in the flesh,to agree with each other,because they allow people they view as spiritual giants to influence them,and sometimes the flesh likes to hear things their way,which is a sin like any other sin.
1Jn 2:26 These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you.
1Jn 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.
Act 17:10 And the brethren immediately sent away Paul and Silas by night unto Berea: who coming thither went into the synagogue of the Jews.
Act 17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.
Not everybody will go by these scriptures,and allow the Spirit to show them the word,and check the word of God to see if what they say is true,but a lot are influenced by people that they consider someone important in relating the word of God,which if a common pew sitter said the same thing,a lot would not take it to heart,but if someone who has millions of people following them it appears more realistic to them,although we need not that any person teach us,and is the Pope not popular.
What scripture specifically says to go to an organized church???
It doesn't... it says to not forsake the gathering of yourselves.
When people start an organization they tend to want to lord it over others rather than lead to make others conform to their vision of what is right which is not actually right in a growing number of churches seeing how apostasy is growing in these last dayZ
It doesn't... it says to not forsake the gathering of yourselves.
When people start an organization they tend to want to lord it over others rather than lead to make others conform to their vision of what is right which is not actually right in a growing number of churches seeing how apostasy is growing in these last dayZ
One or two bad apples can spoil the whole bunch. People don't see the good in them like, feeding the hungry, clothing the needy, paying for that mother of 5 children for a place to stay, visiting hospitals and prisons, and much more. i don't know if a perfect church building exist, but most of them are helping in one way or another. Man does not live by bread alone, but if thats all they have is bread, then so be it.
Jesus stood up in the temple and read of Himself in the temple. The churches should be doing the same, getting up and talking about Jesus and what He has done, lifting up His name, sharing what His name means to us wether it be Yashua, Jesus, He is our Salvation. Church is a good thing, as long as we learn something about our Lord and Savior Christ Jesus, and take it home with us, and not leave it setting in the pew.
These things do not save anybody... the world does these things and they are on their way to hell because, they did not have a close personal relationship with the Father thru Jesus Christ by the Holy Ghost based on the written Word of the Living God.
Many churches teach a "social gospel" these days which is centered around doing good works instead of having a close personal relationship with the Father... the social gospel is a false gospel.
Even though it is nice to do good things, it does not save anyone.
Matthew 7:21-23
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Many churches teach a "social gospel" these days which is centered around doing good works instead of having a close personal relationship with the Father... the social gospel is a false gospel.
Even though it is nice to do good things, it does not save anyone.
Matthew 7:21-23
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Those that are ignorant of God's Word frequently make this claim cause... well, they're ignorant like you.
You obviously have not seen God's warnings of things going on during the end times which is very telling of yourself as it show you do not accept the full counsel of the Lord.
You're a cherry picker... that will not end well for you.
The Lord has many warnings so you'd best start heeding them if you know what's good for you... if you are without His correction you are illegitimate.
You obviously have not seen God's warnings of things going on during the end times which is very telling of yourself as it show you do not accept the full counsel of the Lord.
You're a cherry picker... that will not end well for you.
The Lord has many warnings so you'd best start heeding them if you know what's good for you... if you are without His correction you are illegitimate.
Wow, you're a theological train wreck that assumes things upon others that aren't true. The reason that so many make my same claim is because you're a self-deceived false teacher, and that is a fact.
You remind me of the Pharisee in Luke 18:11ff, and of those mentioned in 1 John 2:19. Now you remind me of Romans 16:17 because you are one of whom the Spirit has warned us about.
...and believe me, my Father has most certainly chastised me, being his son.
You remind me of the Pharisee in Luke 18:11ff, and of those mentioned in 1 John 2:19. Now you remind me of Romans 16:17 because you are one of whom the Spirit has warned us about.
...and believe me, my Father has most certainly chastised me, being his son.
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Our church would come to our home to have mini-church here, but that doesn't solve the problems. My problem is I can't sit still long enough for a service. My back hurts no matter where I am. And I don't want to interrupt everyone else by getting up and walking around during service. Coming here? Well, besides my back hurts anywhere I am, that precludes cleaning the house enough not to be embarrassed in having company over. AND, there is barely enough room for two people in here, so getting up and moving around is harder with more-than.
Then hubby is prone to falling asleep often. He doesn't snore loud, but he does snore, and he gets embarrassed by falling asleep. Going to church? No wheelchairs involved for us, but a half-hour bus trip, including waiting for bus, because the church is in Center City and you surely don't expect to find a parking spot within a mile of it. (We're 2.5 miles from it. lol) And, at this point just walking the quarter mile from bus stop to pew will make hubby huff and puff enough he will worry everyone around him enough for them to ask him if he's all right. In his mind, he is all right. (Sure beats who he was last year, so this is all right.) BUT trying to suck up enough air to answer will cause him to huff and puff even more, then he gets embarrassed because he's making a scene.
So, if we could go early enough that he calms down from huffing and puffing, then we go back to me, because by then my back is killing me. Who exactly decided pews should be that hard on a back?
AND what is it with reformed teachings that a sermon cannot be less than 30 minutes? lol
In truth, I always see church as a place to give and a place to receive. We can no longer give, so we are useless in a church. (I can't sing -- can't carry a tune -- and can't teach, so my usefulness always came in the form of talking to others or labor. Can't talk to others during service. Can't last long enough to talk before or after anymore.) At least here, I'm able to work on the laundry in between writing this. So, I can give. And I DO give. This is church as best I can do it.
Some disabilities can't be solved with a wheelchair.
Then hubby is prone to falling asleep often. He doesn't snore loud, but he does snore, and he gets embarrassed by falling asleep. Going to church? No wheelchairs involved for us, but a half-hour bus trip, including waiting for bus, because the church is in Center City and you surely don't expect to find a parking spot within a mile of it. (We're 2.5 miles from it. lol) And, at this point just walking the quarter mile from bus stop to pew will make hubby huff and puff enough he will worry everyone around him enough for them to ask him if he's all right. In his mind, he is all right. (Sure beats who he was last year, so this is all right.) BUT trying to suck up enough air to answer will cause him to huff and puff even more, then he gets embarrassed because he's making a scene.
So, if we could go early enough that he calms down from huffing and puffing, then we go back to me, because by then my back is killing me. Who exactly decided pews should be that hard on a back?
AND what is it with reformed teachings that a sermon cannot be less than 30 minutes? lol
In truth, I always see church as a place to give and a place to receive. We can no longer give, so we are useless in a church. (I can't sing -- can't carry a tune -- and can't teach, so my usefulness always came in the form of talking to others or labor. Can't talk to others during service. Can't last long enough to talk before or after anymore.) At least here, I'm able to work on the laundry in between writing this. So, I can give. And I DO give. This is church as best I can do it.
Some disabilities can't be solved with a wheelchair.
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Church is a two-way street. It's supposed to be you getting help and you giving help. I know you enough to know those "more important things" truly are extremely important, but are you aware you might be depriving someone else of their gift to help you? How do you know if someone in the church couldn't just give you a couple of hours a week to yourself by helping your dad for you?
And, in the opposite way, how do you know you aren't depriving someone of your much needed help that you can offer them? It could very well be the words you say that help someone else get through their next week, but you aren't there to say it to them. (And, yeah. I know you're not really much in comforting people, but I can so see you being the type to tell someone to get over themselves. lol)
It's a two-way street. If you can, maybe you should for your own benefit and someone else's. Isn't that doing exactly what God would have us do?
And, in the opposite way, how do you know you aren't depriving someone of your much needed help that you can offer them? It could very well be the words you say that help someone else get through their next week, but you aren't there to say it to them. (And, yeah. I know you're not really much in comforting people, but I can so see you being the type to tell someone to get over themselves. lol)
It's a two-way street. If you can, maybe you should for your own benefit and someone else's. Isn't that doing exactly what God would have us do?
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Why go to church? The Bible says to.
It's been my experience that when you honor God's word, God will honor you & help you in all that you do.
It's been my experience that when you honor God's word, God will honor you & help you in all that you do.
as we age,
we become our 'own-wheel-chair', lol - and, we better be ready for it, or it will literally knock you over...
come it will, no matter where the wiley-one' has taught us to hide or pretend...
what we sense, from our Heavenly Father must be heeded, else His Law would be to none effect...
we're both eagerly awaiting His next instructions! with or without 'wheel-chairs'...
we become our 'own-wheel-chair', lol - and, we better be ready for it, or it will literally knock you over...
come it will, no matter where the wiley-one' has taught us to hide or pretend...
what we sense, from our Heavenly Father must be heeded, else His Law would be to none effect...
we're both eagerly awaiting His next instructions!
with or without 'wheel-chairs'...
Yeah, we'll see in the end who is delusional and who isn't.
You are a cherry picker plan and simple that rejects the full counsel of God which is how you became delusional.
They have a suite down at the nut hut with yo names on it
You are a cherry picker plan and simple that rejects the full counsel of God which is how you became delusional.
They have a suite down at the nut hut with yo names on it
Make your own decision.
1 Corinthians 2:11
For what man knows the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him?
Claiming I reject the TRUE Body of Christ is no different than diarrhea oozing out of your mouth... you are clueless of that which you accuse me of as you walk lock step with the accuser of the brethren.
I understand that you are upset that someone has the gall to believe God's warnings about false brethren and false teachers in the last days... you speak like one of those ear tickling, seeker sensitive types that follow the false new age jesus hawking universalism
How's that workin for ya?
For what man knows the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him?
Claiming I reject the TRUE Body of Christ is no different than diarrhea oozing out of your mouth... you are clueless of that which you accuse me of as you walk lock step with the accuser of the brethren.
I understand that you are upset that someone has the gall to believe God's warnings about false brethren and false teachers in the last days... you speak like one of those ear tickling, seeker sensitive types that follow the false new age jesus hawking universalism
How's that workin for ya?