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C
2 references actually
my first is the curse on us women, that we would desire mans authority, "you will desire to control your husband " and I don't know the exact Scripture, but paul said women should not be in authority over men. No offence taken
my first is the curse on us women, that we would desire mans authority, "you will desire to control your husband " and I don't know the exact Scripture, but paul said women should not be in authority over men. No offence taken
love to hear your scriptural argument for your views. you said bible was very clear on it, so lets have it please. (i'm trying not to sound cocky, really I am. just want to know what you know)
C
[h=3]1 Timothy 3:2[/h] A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;
When a woman can meet all of these requirements, she can become the pastor of a church.
When a woman can meet all of these requirements, she can become the pastor of a church.
J
2 references actually
my first is the curse on us women, that we would desire mans authority, "you will desire to control your husband " and I don't know the exact Scripture, but paul said women should not be in authority over men. No offence taken
my first is the curse on us women, that we would desire mans authority, "you will desire to control your husband " and I don't know the exact Scripture, but paul said women should not be in authority over men. No offence taken
Gen 3:16
Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.
This is the KJV. "and thy desire shall be to thy husband" ..... Which I believes means that we desire to help, serve, be with, love, ect. But notice in the very next verse that GOD got onto Adam for listening to Eve in the first place.....
Gen 3:17
And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;
Also I looked up the word desire in the original hebrew and this is what it says....
t[SUP]eshûqâh[/SUP]
[SUP]tesh-oo-kaw'
From
H7783 in the original sense of stretching out after; a longing: - desire.
[/SUP]
I hope this helps
I agree here. It has been in the west for a long time, and is slowly coming to the east as well. Feminism bringing about the role reversed of masculinized women and feminized men (think Joyce Meyer, the false teacher). Who is behind that? Who wants that? Not christians. But many christians have endorsed it. It is a general degeneration and decadence of society in which many churches and denominations are affected. Not the least seen in the false goofy poofy "luuuv" concept so many adhere to. Tolerance always leads to acceptance!
C
I have no problem with strong women, but the feminist movement has completely destroyed our society. The beginning of the movement started out with good intentions, it gave women the right to vote, the right to work, but now you see a complete demoralization in the men of our society in response to this movement, men are no longer men anymore, our children are taught to be sissys and to submit to women, men are no longer raising their children the way they should, it's down right disgusting.
Glad no offence was taken, I Know the verse you speak of....
Gen 3:16
Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.
This is the KJV. "and thy desire shall be to thy husband" ..... Which I believes means that we desire to help, serve, be with, love, ect. But notice in the very next verse that GOD got onto Adam for listening to Eve in the first place.....
Gen 3:17
And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;
Also I looked up the word desire in the original hebrew and this is what it says....
t[SUP]eshûqâh[/SUP]
[SUP]tesh-oo-kaw'
From
H7783 in the original sense of stretching out after; a longing: - desire.
[/SUP]
I hope this helps
Gen 3:16
Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.
This is the KJV. "and thy desire shall be to thy husband" ..... Which I believes means that we desire to help, serve, be with, love, ect. But notice in the very next verse that GOD got onto Adam for listening to Eve in the first place.....
Gen 3:17
And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;
Also I looked up the word desire in the original hebrew and this is what it says....
t[SUP]eshûqâh[/SUP]
[SUP]tesh-oo-kaw'
From
H7783 in the original sense of stretching out after; a longing: - desire.
[/SUP]
I hope this helps
Hey Jinx,
If you look at the whole sentence of Genesis 3:16 in the Hebrew, the word translated as 'will be for' is 'ale' which when put after teshuqah gives the phrase the meaning of possesivnrss, I.e to own or to overpower. If the phrase was referring simply to a desire for intimacy it would read 'your desire will be for intimacy with your husband' but it simply says 'your desire will be for him'. This is not just obvious in the hebrew, it should also be obvious in the english but for some reason the term 'i desire him/her' has taken on connotations of intimacy but grammatically that makes no sense. For example, if you were to say 'I desire that car' you would literally mean 'i want to own it, to posses it, i want to have authority over it and it be in submission to me'.
This principle is also made evident in genesis 4:7 where the same sequence of words are used with reguards to adams responsibility towards sin.
Genesis 4:7: 'sin crouches at the door, and its desire is for you, but you must rule over it'
Literally Translated: and its longing is to overpower you, but you must rule over it
Genesis 3:16: 'your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you'
Literally Translated: 'your longing will be to overpower your husband, but he will rule over you'
Scripture is teaching, that as a result of Eve's sin, women have now enherited a natural desire to overturn God's dvine order of leadership/submission within the family. It is a mans responsibility to uphold this order but it is also a woman's responsibility to fight against her desire.
M
Yes!
I just want to add a little...
Thanks to the feminist movement, women have developed a sense of entitlement. They think "I can do whatever I want, nobody is the boss of me, it's MY body and I can use it how I see fit, I deserve to be happy." With that attitude, women are completely undermining the roles God intended us to play.
Even Christian women struggle with this now, because even if they were raised in a strong Christian home, the world around them is full of mixed signals- when the whole world is telling us that it's ok to do whatever we want, whenever we want, and forget about the consequences, it can be really difficult to listen to one lone voice, the Word of God, or a handful of people who are willing to step up and tell us we're heading down the wrong path.
Anyway, regardless of any of that stuff, God himself said no to women preaching, or being an authority over men. I'm not gonna argue with God.
I just want to add a little...
Thanks to the feminist movement, women have developed a sense of entitlement. They think "I can do whatever I want, nobody is the boss of me, it's MY body and I can use it how I see fit, I deserve to be happy." With that attitude, women are completely undermining the roles God intended us to play.
Even Christian women struggle with this now, because even if they were raised in a strong Christian home, the world around them is full of mixed signals- when the whole world is telling us that it's ok to do whatever we want, whenever we want, and forget about the consequences, it can be really difficult to listen to one lone voice, the Word of God, or a handful of people who are willing to step up and tell us we're heading down the wrong path.
Anyway, regardless of any of that stuff, God himself said no to women preaching, or being an authority over men. I'm not gonna argue with God.
I don't appreciate the ministry of joyce meyer at all. Any woman who talks about godliness and then turns around and injects her face with synthetics to the point that her face can't move, come on.... that's just creepy.
I have nothing against makeup if it is worn in a modest way, but this is hilarious. You crack me up!
I wonder if she has ever "preached" on vanity.
Hi sweetspiritgirl, I'm a bit reticent to weigh in on this subject because I'm a new member and I have had only dull-witted responses to my posts. In my experience the church is divided between liberal and conservative denominations. Generally conservative ones do not allow the ordination of females as elders because of Paul's exhortation in 1 Timothy:
2:9 Likewise the women are to dress in suitable apparel, with modesty and self-control.16 Their adornment must not be with braided hair and gold or pearls or expensive clothing, 2:10 but with good deeds, as is proper for women who profess reverence for God. 2:11 A woman must learn quietly with all submissiveness. 2:12 But I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man. She must remain quiet.2:13 For Adam was formed first and then Eve. 2:14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman, because she was fully deceived, fell into transgression.2:15 But she will be delivered through childbearing, if she continues in faith and love and holiness with self-control.
Now, the liberal denominations condemn the view of the conservatives, saying that they are chauvinists and behind the times and just want to dominate women. The fact is that they hold their views according to what the Bible plainly says. Interestingly enough, it is the liberal denominations who approve of women holding the office of Pastor who a think that it's OK to ordain homosexuals and lesbians.
So this is ultimately a matter of conscience and what you believe the Bible teaches. I hope this helps.
2:9 Likewise the women are to dress in suitable apparel, with modesty and self-control.16 Their adornment must not be with braided hair and gold or pearls or expensive clothing, 2:10 but with good deeds, as is proper for women who profess reverence for God. 2:11 A woman must learn quietly with all submissiveness. 2:12 But I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man. She must remain quiet.2:13 For Adam was formed first and then Eve. 2:14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman, because she was fully deceived, fell into transgression.2:15 But she will be delivered through childbearing, if she continues in faith and love and holiness with self-control.
Now, the liberal denominations condemn the view of the conservatives, saying that they are chauvinists and behind the times and just want to dominate women. The fact is that they hold their views according to what the Bible plainly says. Interestingly enough, it is the liberal denominations who approve of women holding the office of Pastor who a think that it's OK to ordain homosexuals and lesbians.
So this is ultimately a matter of conscience and what you believe the Bible teaches. I hope this helps.
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