Hi Fran: No one in particular, it just came into my mind how weak and screwed up humans are when it comes to male and female relationships. I do believe there can be other reasons for a divorcee, I believe the point that Jesus was making was that you cannot just divorcee your mate for a made up reason. It is obvious to me that if a man was not cheating on his wife, but was beating her half to death a couple of times a week that God would want her to leave him.
Woman who left her husband - what is her solution?
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Hi Trofimus,
He *said to them, “Because of your hardness of heart Moses permitted you to divorce your wives; but from the beginning it has not been this way. And I say to you, whoever divorces his wife, except for immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery.” Matthew 19:8, 9To me it looks like this verse is saying that if the spouse commits adultery, the innocent spouse is free to remarry. This is the only case where I can find that it's okay to remarry.
He *said to them, “Because of your hardness of heart Moses permitted you to divorce your wives; but from the beginning it has not been this way. And I say to you, whoever divorces his wife, except for immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery.” Matthew 19:8, 9To me it looks like this verse is saying that if the spouse commits adultery, the innocent spouse is free to remarry. This is the only case where I can find that it's okay to remarry.
Yes, a lot more to this verse. It's context is food and drink.
All things are lawful, but not all things are profitable. All things are lawful, but not all things edify. Let no one seek his own good, but that of his neighbor. Eat anything that is sold in the meat market without asking questions for conscience’ sake; for the earth is the Lord’s, and all it contains.
If one of the unbelievers invites you and you want to go, eat anything that is set before you without asking questions for conscience’ sake. But if anyone says to you, “This is meat sacrificed to idols,” do not eat it, for the sake of the one who informed you, and for conscience’ sake; I mean not your own conscience, but the other man’s; for why is my freedom judged by another’s conscience?
If I partake with thankfulness, why am I slandered concerning that for which I give thanks?
Whether, then, you eat or drink or whatever you do, do all to the glory of God. Give no offense either to Jews or to Greeks or to the church of God; just as I also please all men in all things, not seeking my own profit but the profit of the many, so that they may be saved. 1 Corinthians 10:23-33
All things are lawful, but not all things are profitable. All things are lawful, but not all things edify. Let no one seek his own good, but that of his neighbor. Eat anything that is sold in the meat market without asking questions for conscience’ sake; for the earth is the Lord’s, and all it contains.
If one of the unbelievers invites you and you want to go, eat anything that is set before you without asking questions for conscience’ sake. But if anyone says to you, “This is meat sacrificed to idols,” do not eat it, for the sake of the one who informed you, and for conscience’ sake; I mean not your own conscience, but the other man’s; for why is my freedom judged by another’s conscience?
If I partake with thankfulness, why am I slandered concerning that for which I give thanks?
Whether, then, you eat or drink or whatever you do, do all to the glory of God. Give no offense either to Jews or to Greeks or to the church of God; just as I also please all men in all things, not seeking my own profit but the profit of the many, so that they may be saved. 1 Corinthians 10:23-33
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),think he was trying to,be encouraging and supportive of his friend who knew what he was trying to say.., so he spoke in shorten "friend speak"
You know..
When you watch a conversation between two old friends that go, like...
"You remember the time we went to.."
"Yeah and we had a blast
"Man and the waves
Can't capture the hand movements and body language, but I find it great to watch two people with such a love and understanding for one another that they can communicate in "friend speak"
You know..
When you watch a conversation between two old friends that go, like...
"You remember the time we went to.."
"Yeah and we had a blast
"Man and the waves
Can't capture the hand movements and body language, but I find it great to watch two people with such a love and understanding for one another that they can communicate in "friend speak"
Yes, to the end of her life or his, or if it be that she and he be not defiled they may reconcile.
Yes and no. Yes because it is widely practiced. No because by teaching and condoning such a thing then they do not believe what Jesus says and they are not churches of our God and they are not ours because they are not His.
Yes and no. Yes because it is widely practiced. No because by teaching and condoning such a thing then they do not believe what Jesus says and they are not churches of our God and they are not ours because they are not His.
There's two meanings of "divorced." In our language it does not matter who divorced who- we call both of them "divorced." But this is talking about the divorcer and the divorcee. The divorcee is the one who was divorced by their spouse. And there is only one reason for divorce- your spouse had sex with another.
Therefore, yes, if anyone knowingly marries the ex-wife who cheated on her husband commits adultery. And he can't remarry her even if her second husband is out of the picture, because she had been having sex with another man (her second husband, not to mention possible others).
Don't you see that it matters that you stay sexually clean? STDs are a punishment for sexual sin. The more partners you have the more risk. Either you stay with your spouse your whole life, or if you become a widow or a widower you marry one other. But a cheater is most likely going to have multiple partners.
The one who cheated and was divorced (in this case the wife), may never marry again without going against God. They are to remain single the rest of their lives, as punishment. The one who is innocent (in this case the husband) is free to remarry another the same as a widow/widower is free to marry another.
No one is to marry the one who was divorced for cheating. The one who divorced the other was involved in a divorce, but they were not the one divorced.
Therefore, yes, if anyone knowingly marries the ex-wife who cheated on her husband commits adultery. And he can't remarry her even if her second husband is out of the picture, because she had been having sex with another man (her second husband, not to mention possible others).
Don't you see that it matters that you stay sexually clean? STDs are a punishment for sexual sin. The more partners you have the more risk. Either you stay with your spouse your whole life, or if you become a widow or a widower you marry one other. But a cheater is most likely going to have multiple partners.
The one who cheated and was divorced (in this case the wife), may never marry again without going against God. They are to remain single the rest of their lives, as punishment. The one who is innocent (in this case the husband) is free to remarry another the same as a widow/widower is free to marry another.
No one is to marry the one who was divorced for cheating. The one who divorced the other was involved in a divorce, but they were not the one divorced.
Yes, this would be good for the order of things.
1. What is marriage
2. How does modern "relationship with sexual intimacy and various promises" qualifies biblically
- marriage?
- engagement?
- just fornication without any life commitment/debt?
3. When marriage begins in the eyes of God etc.
If you have studied this, you can give some answers
1. What is marriage
2. How does modern "relationship with sexual intimacy and various promises" qualifies biblically
- marriage?
- engagement?
- just fornication without any life commitment/debt?
3. When marriage begins in the eyes of God etc.
If you have studied this, you can give some answers
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Well, but this is not a very protestant way of "doing things" What did church tell you, then?
Do you think that what I posted from the OT is not, as you say, "the moral law"? That God likes now what he called defilement of the land before?
Or are we said somewhere in the NT that this issue does not matter now?
Yes I agree. But my question is not about "can we divorce when our spouse is unfaithful", but "what can we do after that"?
What did church tell you, then?Do you think that what I posted from the OT is not, as you say, "the moral law"? That God likes now what he called defilement of the land before?
Or are we said somewhere in the NT that this issue does not matter now?
Yes I agree. But my question is not about "can we divorce when our spouse is unfaithful", but "what can we do after that"?
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Well, but this is not a very protestant way of "doing things" What did church tell you, then?
Do you think that what I posted from the OT is not, as you say, "the moral law"? That God likes now what he called defilement of the land before?
Or are we said somewhere in the NT that this issue does not matter now?
Yes I agree. But my question is not about "can we divorce when our spouse is unfaithful", but "what can we do after that"?
What did church tell you, then?Do you think that what I posted from the OT is not, as you say, "the moral law"? That God likes now what he called defilement of the land before?
Or are we said somewhere in the NT that this issue does not matter now?
Yes I agree. But my question is not about "can we divorce when our spouse is unfaithful", but "what can we do after that"?
.to me it's a common sense warning to not marry an adulterer who has been divorced by a previous spouse unless you want to share in her or his sin.
It's a precedent to protect God's people from heartache. Not a judgement and commandment to the unbelieving adulterous spouse who is in need of repentance and restoration with God more than another spouse.
OK, let us suppose it is said both to women and men, even though it would not fit too much into patriarchal society of those days. But lets take it so.
Now... Two are married. Some situations can happen:
1) One is unfaithful.
a) they wait for a proper divorce and then they start relationships with somebody else
- the one who was faithful can now freely remarry
- what about the one who was not faithful, he/she must stay single for the rest of the life?
b) they do not wait for a proper divorce and start relationships with somebody else immediately
- does that mean that both of them are unfaithful now and therefore cannot marry anybody to the end of their lifes?
2. Nobody was unfaithful, they just want to leave for some less serious reasons like "we do not agree with each other"
a) they will divorce and stay single
- can they return to their own marriage again?
b) they will divorce and one finds a new partner
- now can the one who was slower get married with somebody else?
Now... Two are married. Some situations can happen:
1) One is unfaithful.
a) they wait for a proper divorce and then they start relationships with somebody else
- the one who was faithful can now freely remarry
- what about the one who was not faithful, he/she must stay single for the rest of the life?
b) they do not wait for a proper divorce and start relationships with somebody else immediately
- does that mean that both of them are unfaithful now and therefore cannot marry anybody to the end of their lifes?
2. Nobody was unfaithful, they just want to leave for some less serious reasons like "we do not agree with each other"
a) they will divorce and stay single
- can they return to their own marriage again?
b) they will divorce and one finds a new partner
- now can the one who was slower get married with somebody else?
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Or not enough quality time with a loving spouse.
If your marriage is strong and you pray with one another, it's less likely to happen.
Still we protect our marriages by not giving to others what should be only for our spouses.
For example both me, and women should dress in a manner their spouse approves of because the Bible says we are not masters of our own body but the husband rules over the wife and the wife rules over the husbands body.
I don't think people really believe and practice this teaching.
When you get married you take responsibility of someone elaes property daily and someone cares for your treasures possession. I believe when you exchange vows, you give control of your body to your spouse and they give their body to you.
That means how you eat, dress, health etc could be rightfully dictated by your spouse. However most people entrust those decisions back to the other person. Sometimes people have it messed up and want to dictate the other person's life but doesn't give the same control for them to dictate theirs.
Men are bad because they use the verses of how women should have authority over men verse.
However it says a wife should have authority over a husbands body in, another verse,
"Martial relations" work better under this principle, but not a topic I discuss in mixed company.
One of those lines that should be crossed because it lead a into temptation to commit lewd acts, such as adultery
If your marriage is strong and you pray with one another, it's less likely to happen.
Still we protect our marriages by not giving to others what should be only for our spouses.
For example both me, and women should dress in a manner their spouse approves of because the Bible says we are not masters of our own body but the husband rules over the wife and the wife rules over the husbands body.
I don't think people really believe and practice this teaching.
When you get married you take responsibility of someone elaes property daily and someone cares for your treasures possession. I believe when you exchange vows, you give control of your body to your spouse and they give their body to you.
That means how you eat, dress, health etc could be rightfully dictated by your spouse. However most people entrust those decisions back to the other person. Sometimes people have it messed up and want to dictate the other person's life but doesn't give the same control for them to dictate theirs.
Men are bad because they use the verses of how women should have authority over men verse.
However it says a wife should have authority over a husbands body in, another verse,
"Martial relations" work better under this principle, but not a topic I discuss in mixed company.
One of those lines that should be crossed because it lead a into temptation to commit lewd acts, such as adultery
What about the rest?
To the married I give this command (not I, but the Lord):
1. A wife must not separate from her husband.
2. But if she does, she must remain unmarried or else be reconciled to her husband. And a husband must not divorce his wife.
What if one of the partners is unfaithful does that cancel their marriage automatically or not?
Why does Paul use "separate" for women and "divorce" for men? Women cannot divorce?
To the married I give this command (not I, but the Lord):
1. A wife must not separate from her husband.
2. But if she does, she must remain unmarried or else be reconciled to her husband. And a husband must not divorce his wife.
What if one of the partners is unfaithful does that cancel their marriage automatically or not?
Why does Paul use "separate" for women and "divorce" for men? Women cannot divorce?
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I believe if anyone gets divorced they can remarry.
.the bigger question is have they walked with God enough to fix their own brokenness to make the second marriage work and be an example of how godly marriage should be?
The laws and rules are for protection and guidance of God's people. Not to be used to judge and condemn people.
There is a major spiritual stronghold that need to be torn down in the mind an heart of an adulterer or adulterous.
However it can be done by God's power and people can make second marriage work because God has changed who they were.
.the bigger question is have they walked with God enough to fix their own brokenness to make the second marriage work and be an example of how godly marriage should be?
The laws and rules are for protection and guidance of God's people. Not to be used to judge and condemn people.
There is a major spiritual stronghold that need to be torn down in the mind an heart of an adulterer or adulterous.
However it can be done by God's power and people can make second marriage work because God has changed who they were.