Woman who left her husband - what is her solution?

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Ariel82

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OK, its a topic for another thread, it does not influence anything in this one, I think...
It does if you reject the story from the Bible.

It effects how you view God's laws and forgiveness and why Jesus talked about divorce and if folks should remarry.
 

trofimus

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It does if you reject the story from the Bible.

It effects how you view God's laws and forgiveness and why Jesus talked about divorce and if folks should remarry.
Is the authenticity of any posted verses about marriage disputed? The story about adulterous woman does not influence anything about marriage, I think.
 
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wonderwoman

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Back to subject:

Her solution as on my messy head is:

Praying until her husband/herself back to sanity, and loving each other again (miracles do happen)

"Celibate" for the rest of her life after divorced (no sinner right?)

Or.. she moves on.. re-marry to another and don't create the same sin again (????)
 

trofimus

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Lol will work on that, I am sure the internet will oblige.
You know... something like:

"One study from the orthodox church, one from the roman catholic church and fifty thousand from the protestant churches contradicting each other."

lol
 
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Ariel82

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Note, just giving you various views...not endorsing any of these sites..This gives a list of main positions:

Divorce is OK; Remarriage is sometimes OK.

main positions are:

Neither divorce nor remarriage are allowed. (A conservative Protestant view)

Divorce is OK, but remarriage is forbidden. (A second conservative Protestant view)

Divorce is OK; remarriage is OK, in cases of adultery or desertion; . -- described below (A conservative/mainline Protestant view)

Divorce is OK for many reasons; remarriage is OK. (A mainline/liberal Protestant view)

Divorce is impossible, unless the marriage never existed. (Roman Catholic)

Divorce is OK in cases of marriage breakdown; remarriage is OK. (Religious liberal and secular view.)
 
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Ariel82

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Probably could give you a list of books too, but would ask for recommend from some of my mentors first since I hate wasting my time reading a biblically unsound book.
 

trofimus

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Probably could give you a list of books too, but would ask for recommend from some of my mentors first since I hate wasting my time reading a biblically unsound book.
I am afraid I would not read an entire book in English, anyway :)
 

trofimus

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So I would summarize the articles you posted into two main blocks - church and bible

1. Church

a) In history
Roman Catholic Church
- no divorce and no remarriage, no matter what

Orthodox Church
- divorce and remarriage for adultery and other serious offenses

Protestant Church
- ?


b) Now
Roman Catholic Church
- no divorce/remarriage, no matter what (well, technically, if the marriage was never valid, but its a different topic)

The Orthodox Church
- "two times and enough!" (church allows divorce and remarriage, but almost never more than once)

Protestant Churches
- all possible and impossible views one can imagine

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2. The Bible

1. Matthew: (Matthew 5:31-32)
- Divorce allowed because of adultery only, man is free to remarry, woman is not
- If somebody marries the divorced woman, they both commit adultery for the rest of their life.
- If man divorces his woman for other reason than adultery, he is partly responsible for the next (adulterous) lifestyle of the wife, if she will remarry.

2. Mark: (Mark 10:2-12)
- Similar to Matthew, but only she is responsible for the adultery if she gets married to another man. ("and be married to another, she committeth adultery.")

3. Luke: (Luke 16:18)
- Nobody can remarry.

And Paul then adds rules for virgins, widows and people married to unbeliever.
 
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trofimus

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Because Luke says that nobody can remarry or else is commiting adultery, it would be very helpful to define what is marriage and when it actually begins.

Because if todays relationships with sexual intimacy, promises of love and promises of faithfulness are biblically marriages, we are probably all living in adultery... Except of those who were lucky to have only one serious relationship in their life.
 

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"...her first husband, who divorced her, is not allowed to marry her again after she has been defiled. That would be detestable in the eyes of the LORD."
Dt 24:4

"And whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery." Mt 5:32

So, only to leave all men and stay without them to the end of her life? Is it practiced in our churches today? If not, why?
If there are no "reasons" for why she left her husband, she should not divorce and she should not become an adulteress

Meaning, during the time she is apart from her husband, she should not find someone else
 
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trofimus

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If there are no "reasons" for why she left her husband, she should not divorce and she should not become an adulteress

Meaning, during the time she is apart from her husband, she should not find someone else
There are always some "reasons", you know...
 
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Hi Fran: No one in particular, it just came into my mind how weak and screwed up humans are when it comes to male and female relationships. I do believe there can be other reasons for a divorcee, I believe the point that Jesus was making was that you cannot just divorcee your mate for a made up reason. It is obvious to me that if a man was not cheating on his wife, but was beating her half to death a couple of times a week that God would want her to leave him.
Samuel
We humans are weak and screwed up for many reasons.

Jesus meant what He said. He said only for divorce.

However, churches have approved other reasons for divorce, based on biblical teaching - for example Ephesians.

A few reasons:

1. Physical abuse. (which you mentioned) This shows a husband does not love his wife as Jesus loves His Church.
2. Financial ruin. A parent is not allowed to bring the family into financial ruin through some acts. Example, gambling.
3. A spouse does not treat the children with love and care.
4. The marriage was not performed under conditions of liberty. (a forced marriage)
5. An untruth was told in order to become married. (one may say they want children when really they don't - this makes the marriage invalid).
 
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There's two meanings of "divorced." In our language it does not matter who divorced who- we call both of them "divorced." But this is talking about the divorcer and the divorcee. The divorcee is the one who was divorced by their spouse. And there is only one reason for divorce- your spouse had sex with another.

Therefore, yes, if anyone knowingly marries the ex-wife who cheated on her husband commits adultery. And he can't remarry her even if her second husband is out of the picture, because she had been having sex with another man (her second husband, not to mention possible others).

Don't you see that it matters that you stay sexually clean? STDs are a punishment for sexual sin. The more partners you have the more risk. Either you stay with your spouse your whole life, or if you become a widow or a widower you marry one other. But a cheater is most likely going to have multiple partners.

The one who cheated and was divorced (in this case the wife), may never marry again without going against God. They are to remain single the rest of their lives, as punishment. The one who is innocent (in this case the husband) is free to remarry another the same as a widow/widower is free to marry another.

No one is to marry the one who was divorced for cheating. The one who divorced the other was involved in a divorce, but they were not the one divorced.
You're very much into punishment.
Where in the New Testament does it say that God punishes us?

STD's are a RESULT of sin
NOT a PUNISHMENT for sin.

We can say we cause our own punishment, but the way you word it makes it sound like God is punishing us

Do you have a scripture? I doubt it.
 
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"...her first husband, who divorced her, is not allowed to marry her again after she has been defiled. That would be detestable in the eyes of the LORD."
Dt 24:4

"And whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery." Mt 5:32

So, only to leave all men and stay without them to the end of her life? Is it practiced in our churches today? If not, why?
To answer the question posed in the title of your thread, there is one circumstance in which divorce is permitted (unchastity), and I would assume remarriage is also permitted:

And I say to you: whoever divorces his wife, except for unchastity, and marries another, commits adultery. Matt 19:9 RSV
 
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So I would summarize the articles you posted into two main blocks - church and bible

1. Church

a) In history
Roman Catholic Church
- no divorce and no remarriage, no matter what

Orthodox Church
- divorce and remarriage for adultery and other serious offenses

Protestant Church
- ?


b) Now
Roman Catholic Church
- no divorce/remarriage, no matter what (well, technically, if the marriage was never valid, but its a different topic)

The Orthodox Church
- "two times and enough!" (church allows divorce and remarriage, but almost never more than once)

Protestant Churches
- all possible and impossible views one can imagine

=========================================

2. The Bible

1. Matthew: (Matthew 5:31-32)
- Divorce allowed because of adultery only, man is free to remarry, woman is not
- If somebody marries the divorced woman, they both commit adultery for the rest of their life.
- If man divorces his woman for other reason than adultery, he is partly responsible for the next (adulterous) lifestyle of the wife, if she will remarry.

2. Mark: (Mark 10:2-12)
- Similar to Matthew, but only she is responsible for the adultery if she gets married to another man. ("and be married to another, she committeth adultery.")

3. Luke: (Luke 16:18)
- Nobody can remarry.

And Paul then adds rules for virgins, widows and people married to unbeliever.
You have stated Catholic doctrine incorrectly.

Where did you get your information??
 
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Note, just giving you various views...not endorsing any of these sites..This gives a list of main positions:

Divorce is OK; Remarriage is sometimes OK.

main positions are:

Neither divorce nor remarriage are allowed. (A conservative Protestant view)

Divorce is OK, but remarriage is forbidden. (A second conservative Protestant view)

Divorce is OK; remarriage is OK, in cases of adultery or desertion; . -- described below (A conservative/mainline Protestant view)

Divorce is OK for many reasons; remarriage is OK. (A mainline/liberal Protestant view)

Divorce is impossible, unless the marriage never existed. (Roman Catholic)

Divorce is OK in cases of marriage breakdown; remarriage is OK. (Religious liberal and secular view.)
Roman Catholic doctrine is not correct.