Women Pastors? Help me.

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The Law also said to stone our children for dis-obedience and to stone anyone in our family if they try to get us to not trust in God - as well as a hundred other things just as damaging to others.

I don't think God endorses that now that we are in Christ for us in this world. The law of Moses had it's purpose but thank God for the Lord Jesus Christ and the New Covenant which is a better covenant and established on better promises. Heb. 8:6

One is called the ministry of death - Old Covenant

The new is called the ministry of righteousness and life - New Covenant.
 
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When God was handing out his curses in the garden for the sin that Adam and Eve had committed, here is what the bible says

To the woman he said,“I will surely multiply your pain in childbearing;
in pain you shall bring forth children.
Your desire shall be contrary to[SUP][f][/SUP] your husband,
but he shall rule over you.” Genesis 3:16

There God clearly says that the man shall be the leader and rule. Not my words but Gods word. I have absolute respect for women and most of them are a lot smarter than I am, and I don't feel qualified to teach them anything. However, this is the what God says, so it needs to be followed. Don't try and twist what the bible says, simply do what it says!!!
 
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Well the way I see it is, the Bible tells use the way God wants it to be. So if you take it upon your self to change it then that is between you and God. Making a god to suit yourself is call idolatry and is the oldest sin in the book.

God has ordained that only men are to serve in positions of spiritual teaching authority in the church. This is not because men are necessarily better teachers or because women are inferior or less intelligent (which is not the case). It is simply the way God designed the church to function.

This may help some of you that are seeking to know what God says about the subject:

[video]https://youtu.be/z-PUtuzYzJg[/video]

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your altering the word of God, A minister must be the husband of one wife, you cannot take one part out of God word \
without getting in Trouble. I Pity you that your altering God word, you better take another look at what your saying. God calls
men to preach not woman, her purpose is different, and by the way God makes the rule and commandment's
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where is it written that a man has to be married to preach?
 
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jerry2465 said:
To the woman he said,“I will surely multiply your pain in childbearing;
in pain you shall bring forth children.
Your desire shall be contrary to[SUP][f][/SUP] your husband,
but he shall rule over you.” Genesis 3:16
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Which translation is that? I do not see one that says "contrary" as this one does. Also, there is nothing there about women not teaching. You are reading that in to suit yourself.
 
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jaybird88 said:
where is it written that a man has to be married to preach?
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How shall a man counsel young couples seeking marriage if he has no experience to call upon? How shall he counsel married couples if he is not married? The conflicts that would present themselves if a bachelor pastor were to counsel unmarried women.

Preaching as an evangelist is probably ok but a pastor is to be the husband of one wife.

For the cause of Christ
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jaybird88 said:
where is it written that a man has to be married to preach?
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Hey, Jay... It doesn't say that anywhere. It simply means that if a man is married and has a leadership role within the church, he must not have more than one wife..
 
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A lot of people also overlook the fact that many of the admonitions are for married couples.
 
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Magenta said:
Which translation is that? I do not see one that says "contrary" as this one does. Also, there is nothing there about women not teaching. You are reading that in to suit yourself.
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ESV I'm definitely not reading it to suit myself, its what the bible says.

the KJV says:
Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

The point is not about Eve's desire, but about how the man shall rule over her.
 
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So after reading that you can now imagine how hard it is to read passages like 1 Timothy 3- "The Husband of One Wife"
and 1 Tim 2:12 "I do not permit a women to teach nor have authority over a man"
And I also read about the Women Prophets of the Old testament like Miriam and others. And also places that speak of women prophesying
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It was aand remains ceremonial law as part of the new government pointing to the anticipated Marriage supper in heaven . It had to do with established a proper order when different families gathered together

Ti 2:9 In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;

During that ceremony woman are to cover their hair that God has given to them as a glory. The only Glory should be the un-seen glory .There was a mixture of rich and poor, the ones that with braided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array where causing a distraction, again the only glory that cannot be seen by the eyes of is the invisible glory to God .

Woman are saved from not being able to teach males through childbirth. Pastoring a Sunday school would be more appropriate .But again it is a ceremonial law as that in which we cannot judge one another. It seem we have lost some of the signs for the angels who long to look into salvation.

I've had people tell me that the one I look up to the most is a false teacher because she is a women leading a church. That hurts my soul to hear things like that but I never want to argue the Scripture.

What is your take on the subject? Would you doubt someone's calling despite all of the wonderful fruit they produce?
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The teaching of women is a New Testament principle.(no longer male or female, Jew or Gentile.) I am sure many came to know God through His word being preached . He can even produce fruit using a unbelievers to show us He is not served with human hands.
 
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Like I said, I have absolute respect for women do not feel superior in any way, but only quoting scripture. The bottom line is that both genders have roles to play in God's church. It's not my plan but Gods
 
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jerry2465 said:
ESV I'm definitely not reading it to suit myself, its what the bible says.

the KJV says:
Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

The point is not about Eve's desire, but about how the man shall rule over her.
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Yes, that covers married people. However, that verse says absolutely nothing against women teaching.
 
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Grace777x70 said:
The Law also said to stone our children for dis-obedience and to stone anyone in our family if they try to get us to not trust in God - as well as a hundred other things just as damaging to others.

I don't think God endorses that now that we are in Christ for us in this world. The law of Moses had it's purpose but thank God for the Lord Jesus Christ and the New Covenant which is a better covenant and established on better promises. Heb. 8:6

One is called the ministry of death - Old Covenant

The new is called the ministry of righteousness and life - New Covenant.
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Never mind. I really don't want to be your teacher. Just know I do understand what you teach has little to do with God's word. (Or, at least maybe those new in the Lord will know not to trust everything said on here as "gospel.")
 
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1 Corinthians 14: 34-35 KJV
[SUP]34 [/SUP]Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.
[SUP]35 [/SUP]And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

1 Timothy 2:11-15 ESV

[SUP]11 [/SUP]Let a woman learn quietly with all submissiveness. [SUP]12 [/SUP]I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet. [SUP]13 [/SUP]For Adam was formed first, then Eve; [SUP]14 [/SUP]and Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor. [SUP]15 [/SUP]Yet she will be saved through childbearing—if they continue in faith and love and holiness, with self-control.

It is very plain, no need to do any twisting
 
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Never mind. I really don't want to be your teacher. Just know I do understand what you teach has little to do with God's word. (Or, at least maybe those new in the Lord will know not to trust everything said on here as "gospel.")
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okie dokie....:)

....perhaps what might be more accurate is " what you think" I say is not in line with your own personal beliefs that the word of God says on some subjects. You are entitled to disagree and or agree with people too.

I will not insult you just because you may view some things differently than other people do...All is well!.....Bless you!
 
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jerry2465 said:
ESV I'm definitely not reading it to suit myself, its what the bible says.

the KJV says:
Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

The point is not about Eve's desire, but about how the man shall rule over her.
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Lots of opinions given on this thread, so it's hard to remember who said what. To help you, I already said I don't think women should be pastors. (Not to be confused with women should never teach.)

That clarified, I'm not getting this either. Are you saying if a husband tells a woman to become a pastor, then the woman should be a pastor?
 
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jerry2465 said:
1 Corinthians 14: 34-35 KJV
[SUP]34 [/SUP]Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.
[SUP]35 [/SUP]And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

1 Timothy 2:11-15 ESV

[SUP]11 [/SUP]Let a woman learn quietly with all submissiveness. [SUP]12 [/SUP]I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet. [SUP]13 [/SUP]For Adam was formed first, then Eve; [SUP]14 [/SUP]and Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor. [SUP]15 [/SUP]Yet she will be saved through childbearing—if they continue in faith and love and holiness, with self-control.

It is very plain, no need to do any twisting
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Yes, it is plain that married people are being addressed.
 
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okie dokie....:)

....perhaps what might be more accurate is " what you think" I say is not in line with your own personal beliefs that the word of God says on some subjects. You are entitled to disagree and or agree with people too.

I will not insult you just because you may view some things differently than other people do...All is well!.....Bless you!
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Nah, really. I can disprove the last thing you said also, but then you'd go off and find something else you "think" is in God's book too. So it just circles back and forth. Since it has nothing to do with the subject, and little to do with God's book -- why? Ya know?
 
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