Word of Faith - a Look at what the Bible says!
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i kinda have the same mood.... 
but with everyone... well like he said
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ok ok...now I know you say you don't follow this guy?
but......
does WOF so proud, doesn't he?..and yes he really did say that...he has 'blessed' his enemies more than once
but with everyone... well like he said
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right
ok ok...now I know you say you don't follow this guy?
but......
does WOF so proud, doesn't he?..and yes he really did say that...he has 'blessed' his enemies more than once
i kinda have the same mood....
but with everyone... well like he said
View attachment 163320 [/QUOTE
right
ok ok...now I know you say you don't follow this guy?
but......
does WOF so proud, doesn't he?..and yes he really did say that...he has 'blessed' his enemies more than once
but with everyone... well like he said
View attachment 163320 [/QUOTE
right
ok ok...now I know you say you don't follow this guy?
but......
does WOF so proud, doesn't he?..and yes he really did say that...he has 'blessed' his enemies more than once
youll laugh at this!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhBU_WdSnmc
@Wanderer:
Sorry I have been away - lot's of things going on at home, like Christmas preparations, so not a lot of time to be on-line.
First - this is MY thread. Yours was closed! Remember?
Therefore it is incumbent upon you to refute my OP. You say you posted a bunch of random Scriptures, unrelated to the OP. When you can actually answer, using English, Greek, Hebrew or Urdu, for all I care, and show how healing is in the atonement, then I will move on and discuss your out of context verses. So when you have tried to refute my verses, of course, not being able to, as 42 pages have shown, then we can discuss your verses.
Second - the reason I am so adamant about discussing Isa. 53, is because for one thing, it is only one verse, and an entire doctrine has been based (wrongly) on this verse. Kick the stuffing out of the WoF usage of Isa. 53, and you really have NOTHING left.
And that is why it is hermeneutically wrong to make a doctrine out of one verses. And why I keep harping on it.
So any other verses you think support this heineous heresy that healing is in the atonement are going to be classed as wrongly interpreted, because the foundational verse "By his stripes we are healed," Isa. 53, in a prophecy about the Messiah, his suffering and that he came to save us from our sins, iniquity, unrighteousness, etc. Somehow gets twisted to mean not "the sickness of sin" - that he heals us from our sins and its consequences, but is ripped out of the verse itself, the passage, the chapter and the book, and a meaning which Isaiah never intended, and certainy the Jews in the Septuagint knew meant "he heals us from our sin-sick lives - he SAVES us, he DELIVERS us, he RESCUES us FROM OUR SIN!!
This is not to denigrate Christ's healing ministry on earth, nor to say that God never heals - quite the contrary! But it is to say, that healing is NOT part of the atonement, and healing comes out of the mercy and love of God.
Third, I would ask you, in what way am I a hypocrite.You have called me that in a number of posts. Am I am hypocrite because I put you in your place theologically, using Scripture? Am I a hypocrite, because you said somewhere back on page 2 that you were going to fully refute my OP, and I am still waiting for you to go through the verses I posted, and show mE exegetically where I am wrong? Am I a hypocrite because when your thread was closed, you tried to take over this thread, and have shown that I am only interesting in discussion, rightfully so, the key verses in the OP?
Or am I a hypocrite, because in the "Tongues" thread, you pretended to post in Greek, and I called you on it? Or am I a hypocrite because you say you know Greek, because in "every course" you take, there is one or two Greek words, making you an expert? Until you have had a Master's level introductory Greek course, at the least, or equivalent, (some people I know have learned on their own and have learned very well out of class - OldHermit and Marc who doesn't come around any more are two that I can have an excellent discussion concerning the Greek), do not come onto my thread, posting Strong's definitions, and not explaining why and how they apply specifically. Posting Pisteuo (I have faith) in the Greek means nothing unless it uncovers details that are not already known in English. And face it, to be a Christian everyone has to say "I have faith," so don't pretend to redefine the absolutely satisfactory word "faith" in English, using Greek and giving it a different meaning. Because Greek doesn't support that.
Finally, as a young man, you should be showing respect to your elders. It is appalling that you are so arrogant, you think you can somehow come into this forum, and teach us all that you have uncovered things that no one else has ever seen before. As I said my background in the early 1980's BEFORE YOU WERE BORN! with reading all the books of Kenyon, Hagin, Copeland, and in my new Christian innocence, asking God to show me the truth, and God conclusively saying this doctrine was evil, and then watching my friend, an ordained Kenneth Copeland pastor die of breast cancer, because she had claimed healing based on Isa. 53, was the nail in the coffin for this heresy, and the reason why I will continue to fight it exegetically till it is only remembered as another selfish, man centered doctrine in the trash heap of heresies.
Sorry I have been away - lot's of things going on at home, like Christmas preparations, so not a lot of time to be on-line.
First - this is MY thread. Yours was closed! Remember?
Therefore it is incumbent upon you to refute my OP. You say you posted a bunch of random Scriptures, unrelated to the OP. When you can actually answer, using English, Greek, Hebrew or Urdu, for all I care, and show how healing is in the atonement, then I will move on and discuss your out of context verses. So when you have tried to refute my verses, of course, not being able to, as 42 pages have shown, then we can discuss your verses.
Second - the reason I am so adamant about discussing Isa. 53, is because for one thing, it is only one verse, and an entire doctrine has been based (wrongly) on this verse. Kick the stuffing out of the WoF usage of Isa. 53, and you really have NOTHING left.
And that is why it is hermeneutically wrong to make a doctrine out of one verses. And why I keep harping on it.
So any other verses you think support this heineous heresy that healing is in the atonement are going to be classed as wrongly interpreted, because the foundational verse "By his stripes we are healed," Isa. 53, in a prophecy about the Messiah, his suffering and that he came to save us from our sins, iniquity, unrighteousness, etc. Somehow gets twisted to mean not "the sickness of sin" - that he heals us from our sins and its consequences, but is ripped out of the verse itself, the passage, the chapter and the book, and a meaning which Isaiah never intended, and certainy the Jews in the Septuagint knew meant "he heals us from our sin-sick lives - he SAVES us, he DELIVERS us, he RESCUES us FROM OUR SIN!!
This is not to denigrate Christ's healing ministry on earth, nor to say that God never heals - quite the contrary! But it is to say, that healing is NOT part of the atonement, and healing comes out of the mercy and love of God.
Third, I would ask you, in what way am I a hypocrite.You have called me that in a number of posts. Am I am hypocrite because I put you in your place theologically, using Scripture? Am I a hypocrite, because you said somewhere back on page 2 that you were going to fully refute my OP, and I am still waiting for you to go through the verses I posted, and show mE exegetically where I am wrong? Am I a hypocrite because when your thread was closed, you tried to take over this thread, and have shown that I am only interesting in discussion, rightfully so, the key verses in the OP?
Or am I a hypocrite, because in the "Tongues" thread, you pretended to post in Greek, and I called you on it? Or am I a hypocrite because you say you know Greek, because in "every course" you take, there is one or two Greek words, making you an expert? Until you have had a Master's level introductory Greek course, at the least, or equivalent, (some people I know have learned on their own and have learned very well out of class - OldHermit and Marc who doesn't come around any more are two that I can have an excellent discussion concerning the Greek), do not come onto my thread, posting Strong's definitions, and not explaining why and how they apply specifically. Posting Pisteuo (I have faith) in the Greek means nothing unless it uncovers details that are not already known in English. And face it, to be a Christian everyone has to say "I have faith," so don't pretend to redefine the absolutely satisfactory word "faith" in English, using Greek and giving it a different meaning. Because Greek doesn't support that.
Finally, as a young man, you should be showing respect to your elders. It is appalling that you are so arrogant, you think you can somehow come into this forum, and teach us all that you have uncovered things that no one else has ever seen before. As I said my background in the early 1980's BEFORE YOU WERE BORN! with reading all the books of Kenyon, Hagin, Copeland, and in my new Christian innocence, asking God to show me the truth, and God conclusively saying this doctrine was evil, and then watching my friend, an ordained Kenneth Copeland pastor die of breast cancer, because she had claimed healing based on Isa. 53, was the nail in the coffin for this heresy, and the reason why I will continue to fight it exegetically till it is only remembered as another selfish, man centered doctrine in the trash heap of heresies.
BTW, could you post your opinion in my thread about what Greek edition to choose and why?
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/145326-source-texts-bible-translations-reading.html
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/145326-source-texts-bible-translations-reading.html
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Honestly? If I'm afraid to check out what I already decided to believe in case doing so might well change my belief, I wouldn't really expect anyone else to read what I believe either. After all, if it is so fragile that it might not stand my own scrutiny, I simply don't announce I believe it in case it's this easy to refute.
In this case, it was refuted, but now you're upset because you don't want to learn enough to realize it's time to rethink your position.
And, seriously. You learned how to do that by the college you chose. Any college that won't tell the teachers backgrounds openly, that would teach mythology without calling it "mythology," (angels and demons, since there just isn't enough in the Bible to spend a whole semester on it, so, yeah -- really just mythology at best), and won't teach ancient Greek or Hebrew to help the student learn the Bible, isn't much of a bible college, and definitely not worth the money to go.
God doesn't make any kind of sense to the natural mind. He isn't our kind of sense even with his supernatural in us. So, really. He is very much someone we need to learn about for the rest of our lives with the constant understanding we might have misunderstood something somewhere along the way. You're 28 and sure you have all the answers. So sure, you won't investigate too closely, but are fighting people who have spent decades learning God! God! Not demons and angels! Not End Times whatever. God!
Sometime in the not so distant future one of your answers is going to fail you. You're going to figure out, not only didn't you get the answer right, you didn't even get the question right. How do I know that? I was like you. And I'm still learning I got the wrong question.
Want to know what's really going on here? Angela is trying to get some folks to wake up over the WoF, so you don't waste quite as much time on that. We just never catch up on what we don't know once we spend so long being sure when we were wrong. She's also saving people from a life of misery because they rather believe in WoF than God. Considering how much yeast of WoF is in the church already, it's good to kill off as much yeast as possible. You'll get that when WoF fails you. Why waste years before you get there?
In this case, it was refuted, but now you're upset because you don't want to learn enough to realize it's time to rethink your position.
And, seriously. You learned how to do that by the college you chose. Any college that won't tell the teachers backgrounds openly, that would teach mythology without calling it "mythology," (angels and demons, since there just isn't enough in the Bible to spend a whole semester on it, so, yeah -- really just mythology at best), and won't teach ancient Greek or Hebrew to help the student learn the Bible, isn't much of a bible college, and definitely not worth the money to go.
God doesn't make any kind of sense to the natural mind. He isn't our kind of sense even with his supernatural in us. So, really. He is very much someone we need to learn about for the rest of our lives with the constant understanding we might have misunderstood something somewhere along the way. You're 28 and sure you have all the answers. So sure, you won't investigate too closely, but are fighting people who have spent decades learning God! God! Not demons and angels! Not End Times whatever. God!
Sometime in the not so distant future one of your answers is going to fail you. You're going to figure out, not only didn't you get the answer right, you didn't even get the question right. How do I know that? I was like you. And I'm still learning I got the wrong question.
Want to know what's really going on here? Angela is trying to get some folks to wake up over the WoF, so you don't waste quite as much time on that. We just never catch up on what we don't know once we spend so long being sure when we were wrong. She's also saving people from a life of misery because they rather believe in WoF than God. Considering how much yeast of WoF is in the church already, it's good to kill off as much yeast as possible. You'll get that when WoF fails you. Why waste years before you get there?
not a problem i understand.
yes i remember my thread that i started to descuse what i believe and as soon as i did i got jumped by you and your lot telling me how "un-biblical" it was.
and i did, you never responded to post #513, you side stepped it, if it is off if it is not an accurate break down of scripture go back look at it and show me how, explain it to me, don't just say you don't understand it and show no evidence of it being wrong, that's ignorant.
you think that thats the key verse to WoF, that is the most ignorant statement yet! if anything were a key verse it would be Mark 11:22-24! and i already told you in my post that healing is a part of isa 53, tell me how its not then! by the way theres other verses we use for healing just as much like; Jeremiah 17:14, Psalms 103:2-6, Psalms 30:1-3, [FONT=Roboto, serif]3 John 1:2. if anything the foundation who we are in Him it would be the fact that we are seated on high with Christ. and reign with Him in authority. [/FONT]Ephesians 1:2-2:22 and since we are in that place with Him, we can ask Him, literally, and He says He will give it. Mark 11:24, John 14:13-14, Matthew 21:22 . and before you say i know we must be of one mind with Him John 15:7 or we are asking out of faith James 4:3. you think you know WoF, you clearly don't if you have the doctrine that mixed up.
no you are a hypocrite because i made a post on your thread, and you just said nope you got it wrong you don't know the greak, then said your opinion, PLEASE GO BACK AND SHOW ME HOW I MISSED IT THEN IF YOU ARE SO SMART....
I'm arrogant that coming from you right now is hilarious... maybee if you act you age and use your wisdom to show me how i was wrong ill listen or even be less "arrogant" and apparently you can't read because if you did you would have known Isa 53 was a supporting verse for scripture... and that last part sounds like why you are so against WoF, because someone took it to the extream, it ended up hurting you, and now when ever you see or hear someone from it you assume they are all like the people who got your friend die. stop acting out of emotion, read my post and refute them if you can.
yes i remember my thread that i started to descuse what i believe and as soon as i did i got jumped by you and your lot telling me how "un-biblical" it was.
and i did, you never responded to post #513, you side stepped it, if it is off if it is not an accurate break down of scripture go back look at it and show me how, explain it to me, don't just say you don't understand it and show no evidence of it being wrong, that's ignorant.
you think that thats the key verse to WoF, that is the most ignorant statement yet! if anything were a key verse it would be Mark 11:22-24! and i already told you in my post that healing is a part of isa 53, tell me how its not then! by the way theres other verses we use for healing just as much like; Jeremiah 17:14, Psalms 103:2-6, Psalms 30:1-3, [FONT=Roboto, serif]3 John 1:2. if anything the foundation who we are in Him it would be the fact that we are seated on high with Christ. and reign with Him in authority. [/FONT]Ephesians 1:2-2:22 and since we are in that place with Him, we can ask Him, literally, and He says He will give it. Mark 11:24, John 14:13-14, Matthew 21:22 . and before you say i know we must be of one mind with Him John 15:7 or we are asking out of faith James 4:3. you think you know WoF, you clearly don't if you have the doctrine that mixed up.
no you are a hypocrite because i made a post on your thread, and you just said nope you got it wrong you don't know the greak, then said your opinion, PLEASE GO BACK AND SHOW ME HOW I MISSED IT THEN IF YOU ARE SO SMART....
I'm arrogant that coming from you right now is hilarious... maybee if you act you age and use your wisdom to show me how i was wrong ill listen or even be less "arrogant" and apparently you can't read because if you did you would have known Isa 53 was a supporting verse for scripture... and that last part sounds like why you are so against WoF, because someone took it to the extream, it ended up hurting you, and now when ever you see or hear someone from it you assume they are all like the people who got your friend die. stop acting out of emotion, read my post and refute them if you can.
i'v looked into many things and im still open to many more, but old men and women stuck in there ways because they think just because of age they know all... yeah Timothy had that problem. the aged need to remember just because there aged doesn't meen they know it, i can learn more in a 3yo sunday school class from them then most of the "elders" here.
I'm so glad you brought up Timothy wanderer. You brought him up to me in one of my post but I have not had time to address it until now where the Lord had you set the table for me. Who mentored Timothy wanderer? And how long was Timothy mentored before the Apostle Paul wrote under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit 1 Timothy 4:12?
And what did Paul say to Timothy at 2 Timothy 2:2? "And the things which you have heard from me in the presence of many witnesses, these entrust to faithful men, who will be able to teach others." This is called "Disciple making" wanderer and this is what were suppose to be doing. Disciples are "soldiers" who work hard and study hard. Just read what Paul says to Timothy at verses 3-12 of 2 Timothy 2. Did you know that Timothy was introduced to us way back at Acts 16:1?
So who is your mentor wanderer? Is it Kenneth Hagin? And how long have you been mentored by him, how many years? How has he mentored you, what have you learned? What did you say in one of your receint post? Oh yea, I know, "Have faith in God." Not that's a bad thing but you won't get very far in this upholstered cesspool we call earth with just know that. And no, I not minmizing "Have faith in God" I'm just trying to make a point that in order to make disciples you have first be a disciple like Timothy with character and discipline. Just read what Paul said to him?
What do you think would have happened if Timothy said what you said to the Apostle Paul? "i can learn more in a 3yo sunday school class from them then most of the "elders" here." In short, you may not believe it but some of really do care and love you for Christ's sake.
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
And what did Paul say to Timothy at 2 Timothy 2:2? "And the things which you have heard from me in the presence of many witnesses, these entrust to faithful men, who will be able to teach others." This is called "Disciple making" wanderer and this is what were suppose to be doing. Disciples are "soldiers" who work hard and study hard. Just read what Paul says to Timothy at verses 3-12 of 2 Timothy 2. Did you know that Timothy was introduced to us way back at Acts 16:1?
So who is your mentor wanderer? Is it Kenneth Hagin? And how long have you been mentored by him, how many years? How has he mentored you, what have you learned? What did you say in one of your receint post? Oh yea, I know, "Have faith in God." Not that's a bad thing but you won't get very far in this upholstered cesspool we call earth with just know that. And no, I not minmizing "Have faith in God" I'm just trying to make a point that in order to make disciples you have first be a disciple like Timothy with character and discipline. Just read what Paul said to him?
What do you think would have happened if Timothy said what you said to the Apostle Paul? "i can learn more in a 3yo sunday school class from them then most of the "elders" here." In short, you may not believe it but some of really do care and love you for Christ's sake.
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
I'm so glad you brought up Timothy wanderer. You brought him up to me in one of my post but I have not had time to address it until now where the Lord had you set the table for me. Who mentored Timothy wanderer? And how long was Timothy mentored before the Apostle Paul wrote under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit 1 Timothy 4:12?
And what did Paul say to Timothy at 2 Timothy 2:2? "And the things which you have heard from me in the presence of many witnesses, these entrust to faithful men, who will be able to teach others." This is called "Disciple making" wanderer and this is what were suppose to be doing. Disciples are "soldiers" who work hard and study hard. Just read what Paul says to Timothy at verses 3-12 of 2 Timothy 2. Did you know that Timothy was introduced to us way back at Acts 16:1?
So who is your mentor wanderer? Is it Kenneth Hagin? And how long have you been mentored by him, how many years? How has he mentored you, what have you learned? What did you say in one of your receint post? Oh yea, I know, "Have faith in God." Not that's a bad thing but you won't get very far in this upholstered cesspool we call earth with just know that. And no, I not minmizing "Have faith in God" I'm just trying to make a point that in order to make disciples you have first be a disciple like Timothy with character and discipline. Just read what Paul said to him?
What do you think would have happened if Timothy said what you said to the Apostle Paul? "i can learn more in a 3yo sunday school class from them then most of the "elders" here." In short, you may not believe it but some of really do care and love you for Christ's sake.
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
And what did Paul say to Timothy at 2 Timothy 2:2? "And the things which you have heard from me in the presence of many witnesses, these entrust to faithful men, who will be able to teach others." This is called "Disciple making" wanderer and this is what were suppose to be doing. Disciples are "soldiers" who work hard and study hard. Just read what Paul says to Timothy at verses 3-12 of 2 Timothy 2. Did you know that Timothy was introduced to us way back at Acts 16:1?
So who is your mentor wanderer? Is it Kenneth Hagin? And how long have you been mentored by him, how many years? How has he mentored you, what have you learned? What did you say in one of your receint post? Oh yea, I know, "Have faith in God." Not that's a bad thing but you won't get very far in this upholstered cesspool we call earth with just know that. And no, I not minmizing "Have faith in God" I'm just trying to make a point that in order to make disciples you have first be a disciple like Timothy with character and discipline. Just read what Paul said to him?
What do you think would have happened if Timothy said what you said to the Apostle Paul? "i can learn more in a 3yo sunday school class from them then most of the "elders" here." In short, you may not believe it but some of really do care and love you for Christ's sake.
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
when i was saved i gave up all technology i could. i have no tv or computer at home, all i do is read, or serve in some way. i work for the church in whatever they need of me, i don't even need to be the pastor, i just love my church, i would be happy just being it janitor, and i would praise God for letting me be it, and i would be the best one.
my pastors back home some were worried about me going here, but i check up with them go over what i am learning, and they have helped me greatly. one thing they say is what i have told them of WoF is not what they thought it was.
i try talking to you like that and you call ignorance over my age and don't even look at what i post, or explain why it is wrong, you just offend and act like nothing, if i am really wrong why don't you prove it! take my post! show me where they are wrong?!?
Ok wanderer, let's do this by the numbers. First of all please define for me the word of faith movement? How did it get started, in other words what is its history? Secondly, who is your pastor and what is the name of his church? Is it something like, "All Glory Christian Center?" I made the name up but most wof churches are have the words, "Christian Center" in them. I'm trying to make this easy and simple for you. Just tell me the history of the word of faith movement?
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
Well know1, maybe I can help you out regarding the word of faith (wof) movement. Please read the following site to give an idea of what this movement believes. The wof movement does not really have anything to do with Romans 10:8 per say. Like I said, check out the following site and if you want more information just google word of faith. https://www.scionofzion.com/wof.htm
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
And what is the word of faith, and here's the biggie, HOW DOES IT WORK EXACTLY?
And one even bigger, what are you suppose to do with it?
Yes he did know1. But, the word of faith that Paul preached at Romans 10:8 is a million miles away from the neo wof movement that is taught today. Look, the word of faith, i.e "wof" is just a handle that the movement clamped onto. Just like the word "Trinity" is a word of convience to show God is one being who manifest Himself as three distinct persons.
The point the Apostle Paul was making at Romans 10:8 is to show the message of savation by faith conveys the good news that Christ, the Son of God, came down from heaven to becom the Son of Man and to die for us, and that He has ascended again from the dead. Now, if you were to read the site I provided you it can be easily seen that the wof movement is anything but the gospel messeage as outlined here in Romans 10 and the short version (or a creed) which can be found at 1 Corinthians 15:1-4. I would be happy to answer any other questions you might have. PS: If you want just google the word of faith movement and read what it is.
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
The point the Apostle Paul was making at Romans 10:8 is to show the message of savation by faith conveys the good news that Christ, the Son of God, came down from heaven to becom the Son of Man and to die for us, and that He has ascended again from the dead. Now, if you were to read the site I provided you it can be easily seen that the wof movement is anything but the gospel messeage as outlined here in Romans 10 and the short version (or a creed) which can be found at 1 Corinthians 15:1-4. I would be happy to answer any other questions you might have.
PS: If you want just google the word of faith movement and read what it is. IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
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well, tell that to Jesus
and John stuck on Patmos
wanderer...you are about the most ignorant little braggart legend in your own mind dummy to grace this forum
when you loose your faith, maybe you can ask someone who knows Jesus to pray for you
you are all words...
you are an airhead and you are going to pop...
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Barnes Commentary on this so called 'physical healing'
And with his stripes - Margin, 'Bruise.' The word used here in Hebrew (חבורה chabbûrâh) means properly stripe, weal, bruise, that is, the mark or print of blows on the skin. Greek Μώλωπι Mōlōpi; Vulgate, Livore. On the meaning of the Hebrew word, see the notes at Isaiah 1:6. It occurs in the following places, and is translated by stripe, and stripes (Exodus 21:25, bis); bruises Isaiah 1:6; hurt Genesis 4:23; blueness Proverbs 20:30; wounds Psalm 38:5; and spots, as of a leopard Jeremiah 13:23. The proper idea is the weal or wound made by bruising; the mark designated by us when we speak of its being 'black and blue.' It is not a flesh wound; it does not draw blood; but the blood and other humors are collected under the skin. The obvious and natural idea conveyed by the word here is, that the individual referred to would be subjected to some treatment that would cause such a weal or stripe; that is, that he would be beaten, or scourged. How literally this was applicable to the Lord Jesus, it is unnecessary to attempt to prove (see Matthew 27:26). It may be remarked here, that this could not be mere conjecture How could Isaiah, seven hundred years before it occurred, conjecture that the Messiah would be scourged and bruised? It is this particularity of prediction, compared with the literal fulfillment, which furnishes the fullest demonstration that the prophet was inspired. In the prediction nothing is vague and general. All is particular and minute, as if he saw what was done, and the description is as minutely accurate as if he was describing what was actually occurring before his eyes.We are healed - literally, it is healed to us; or healing has happened to us. The healing here referred to, is spiritual healing, or healing from sin. Pardon of sin, and restoration to the favor of God, are not unfrequently represented as an act of healing. The figure is derived from the fact that awakened and convicted sinners are often represented as crushed, broken, bruised by the weight of their transgressions, and the removal of the load of sin is repesented as an act of healing. 'I said, O Lord, be merciful unto me; heal my soul, for I have sinned againt thee' Psalm 41:4. Have mercy upon me, O Lord, for I am weak; O Lord, heal me, for my bones are vexed' Psalm 6:2. 'Who forgiveth all thine, iniquities; who healeth all thy diseases Psalm 103:3. The idea here is, that the Messiah would be scourged; and that it would be by that scourging that health would be imparted to our souls.
And with his stripes - Margin, 'Bruise.' The word used here in Hebrew (חבורה chabbûrâh) means properly stripe, weal, bruise, that is, the mark or print of blows on the skin. Greek Μώλωπι Mōlōpi; Vulgate, Livore. On the meaning of the Hebrew word, see the notes at Isaiah 1:6. It occurs in the following places, and is translated by stripe, and stripes (Exodus 21:25, bis); bruises Isaiah 1:6; hurt Genesis 4:23; blueness Proverbs 20:30; wounds Psalm 38:5; and spots, as of a leopard Jeremiah 13:23. The proper idea is the weal or wound made by bruising; the mark designated by us when we speak of its being 'black and blue.' It is not a flesh wound; it does not draw blood; but the blood and other humors are collected under the skin. The obvious and natural idea conveyed by the word here is, that the individual referred to would be subjected to some treatment that would cause such a weal or stripe; that is, that he would be beaten, or scourged. How literally this was applicable to the Lord Jesus, it is unnecessary to attempt to prove (see Matthew 27:26). It may be remarked here, that this could not be mere conjecture How could Isaiah, seven hundred years before it occurred, conjecture that the Messiah would be scourged and bruised? It is this particularity of prediction, compared with the literal fulfillment, which furnishes the fullest demonstration that the prophet was inspired. In the prediction nothing is vague and general. All is particular and minute, as if he saw what was done, and the description is as minutely accurate as if he was describing what was actually occurring before his eyes.We are healed - literally, it is healed to us; or healing has happened to us. The healing here referred to, is spiritual healing, or healing from sin. Pardon of sin, and restoration to the favor of God, are not unfrequently represented as an act of healing. The figure is derived from the fact that awakened and convicted sinners are often represented as crushed, broken, bruised by the weight of their transgressions, and the removal of the load of sin is repesented as an act of healing. 'I said, O Lord, be merciful unto me; heal my soul, for I have sinned againt thee' Psalm 41:4. Have mercy upon me, O Lord, for I am weak; O Lord, heal me, for my bones are vexed' Psalm 6:2. 'Who forgiveth all thine, iniquities; who healeth all thy diseases Psalm 103:3. The idea here is, that the Messiah would be scourged; and that it would be by that scourging that health would be imparted to our souls.