Word of Faith: "Metaphysical" "Gnostic" "Cultic" "Not really Christian"-Justin Peters

[vic1980]

Re: Word of Faith: "Metaphysical" "Gnostic" "Cultic" "Not really Christian"-Justin Pe

There is the grace of God teaches us, to denying ungodliness and worldly lusts

There is a teaching of grace that is worldy ,teaching men to enjoy this life, and everything you can get from it.

I'll stick with denying ungodliness and worldly lusts.

Yes that's the true Grace

Shalom

 

[God4me]

Re: Word of Faith: "Metaphysical" "Gnostic" "Cultic" "Not really Christian"-Justin Pe

Now you are reading into the verse,.,it doesn't say you HAVE to confess to be forgiven.

It reassures you that if you do confess, God will welcome you back with open arms.

I guess I never looked at it as a commandment or law that you HAD to confess to be forgiven.

Personally I always saw God's hand in my conviction, repentance and confession of any sin. If God didn't reach out like the loving Father He is, then I would continue to sin against my brothers and sisters and hurt them by my words and actions, I would continue to do,things my way and not God's way through my pride and arrogance.

I would make assumptions about others, throw stones and judge them for faults I myself display through my words, thoughts and actions.

Instead God has taught me to see God's love and grace when He first convicts me,out my sins, I see His wisdom when I repent of my sins and I am revived in His love when I confess to Him my transgressions for He heals and restored me.

Death isn't the end, it's the beginning of eternity with God face to face.

I know this life is but a journey I travel for my Heavenly Father. I am His ambassador reminding people that our Father is calling us back home through the work of His son Jesus Christ who died for our sins so that we might approach the throne cleansed and holy.

It hurts my heart to watch people each candy coated dung and pretend that it's from God.

This life is temporary. God's promises are for eternity.

If you lust for material wealth, earthly power and prestige in this world, then you are an enemy of God.

Every Christian should want to confess any sins that they do and want to repent of them.
Confessing sins in 1 Jn 1 : 9, isn't a comand, it's agreeing with God that we have sinned, and saying the same as God has said,
see 1 Jn 1- 8- -10.
But those false grace teachers don't believe in confessing sins or repenting of them, so they are still in their sins and unrighteousness, and they aren't forgiven or cleansed, although they have been deceived into believing they are forgiven.

 

[Ariel82]

Re: Word of Faith: "Metaphysical" "Gnostic" "Cultic" "Not really Christian"-Justin Pe

Every Christian should want to confess any sins that they do and want to repent of them.
Confessing sins in 1 Jn 1 : 9, isn't a comand, it's agreeing with God that we have sinned, and saying the same as God has said,
see 1 Jn 1- 8- -10.
But those false grace teachers don't believe in confessing sins or repenting of them, so they are still in their sins and unrighteousness, and they aren't forgiven or cleansed, although they have been deceived into believing they are forgiven.

You can't broad stroke "those false grace teachers" you have legalist who whip folks with chains of the law and not teach biblical grace either. They will preach repent of your sins all day long and add doing works and penance for their forgiveness.

No Biblical grace calls for the acknowledgement of God's work in the conviction, repentance and restoration of believers in Christ & His redeeming work on the cross for sins.

Without Christ and His redeeming work on the cross, the message of grace is false,

Without the Holy Spirit to convict and teach godliness, any words spoken will not take deep roots and bear good fruit.

 

[God4me]

Re: Word of Faith: "Metaphysical" "Gnostic" "Cultic" "Not really Christian"-Justin Pe

You can't broad stroke "those false grace teachers" you have legalist who whip folks with chains of the law and not teach biblical grace either. They will preach repent of your sins all day long and add doing works and penance for their forgiveness.

No Biblical grace calls for the acknowledgement of God's work in the conviction, repentance and restoration of believers in Christ & His redeeming work on the cross for sins.

Without Christ and His redeeming work on the cross, the message of grace is false,

Without the Holy Spirit to convict and teach godliness, any words spoken will not take deep roots and bear good fruit.

It's the Catholics why do works and penance for forgiveness, NOT Christians.
Good God given Bible Ministers don't preach repent of your sins, [Accept to unbelievers].
Good Bible Teachers teach on the blessings of God, and how to receive them.

You seem to be getting religion mixed up with Christianity.

The false grace teacher won't let the Holy Spirit convict them of their sins, Because their hearts have been hardened aginst repentance and conviction, As they believe all their sins have been forgiven.

The redemptive work of Jesus, wasn't finished on the cross, He still had to go to Hell, [Hades], Acts 2: 27, & v31. And be raised from the dead, 1 Cor 15: 17--20. Rom 4: 25.

 

[Ariel82]

Re: Word of Faith: "Metaphysical" "Gnostic" "Cultic" "Not really Christian"-Justin Pe

1. You have a thing against Catholics, that you might want to work out through prayer with God.

2. How is your belief and these "false grace teachers" different if both only preach repentance of sins to nonbelievers?

Both only preach "the blessings of God and how to receive them."

Maybe they disagree on what the blessings of God are?

3. Christianity is a religion. You might not accept certain denominations and beliefs of people who claim to be Christian, but the mix up isn't my understanding of who claims the name of Christ.

You can state you don't believe Catholics for example aren't saved by the blood of Jesus, but that crosses the,lies into judging anorhers salvation and only God should do,what.since He is able to save anyone He pleases.

4. Jesus died for our sins on the cross, the rest is part of the ressurrection story which includes Jesus ascension into Heaven and the sending forth of the Holy Spirit to deal born again believers into adoption and service to God.

 

[Grace777x70]

Re: Word of Faith: "Metaphysical" "Gnostic" "Cultic" "Not really Christian"-Justin Pe

Now you are reading into the verse,.,it doesn't say you HAVE to confess to be forgiven.

It reassures you that if you do confess, God will welcome you back with open arms.

I guess I never looked at it as a commandment or law that you HAD to confess to be forgiven.

Personally I always saw God's hand in my conviction, repentance and confession of any sin. If God didn't reach out like the loving Father He is, then I would continue to sin against my brothers and sisters and hurt them by my words and actions, I would continue to do,things my way and not God's way through my pride and arrogance.

I would make assumptions about others, throw stones and judge them for faults I myself display through my words, thoughts and actions.

Instead God has taught me to see God's love and grace when He first convicts me,out my sins, I see His wisdom when I repent of my sins and I am revived in His love when I confess to Him my transgressions for He heals and restored me.

Death isn't the end, it's the beginning of eternity with God face to face.

I know this life is but a journey I travel for my Heavenly Father. I am His ambassador reminding people that our Father is calling us back home through the work of His son Jesus Christ who died for our sins so that we might approach the throne cleansed and holy.

It hurts my heart to watch people each candy coated dung and pretend that it's from God.

This life is temporary. God's promises are for eternity.

If you lust for material wealth, earthly power and prestige in this world, then you are an enemy of God.

I fully agree with confessing everything to our Father but it is not to obtain forgiveness as Jesus' blood already obtained for us an eternal redemption. I understand what you are saying about confessing but that is different subject from 1 John1:9 which I was asking.

If we sin as a Christian do we go in and out of being righteous? - as in my example of the guy that sinned while driving then died. I John says "cleanse you from all unrighteousness".

 

[Grace777x70]

Re: Word of Faith: "Metaphysical" "Gnostic" "Cultic" "Not really Christian"-Justin Pe

Hi Grace777,

Ahwatukee is a township of Phoenix, which is actually about 20 miles south of downtown Phoenix. Supposedly the name is related to an Indian name, but no one knows where the name came from or what the proper pronunciation is. What I do no is that all of the businesses and neon signs say "Ahwatukee." Ahwatukee is referred to as one big cud-de-sac and that because everything on the west side of the 10 fwy is Ahwatukee and on the east side is Chandler. It sits on the south side of South Mountain bordering the Indian reservation. That's probably a lot more information than you were looking for.

Cool... I have most likely have been by there as I used to go fly into Phoenix for work and I did some work in Chandler as well as Avondale. Thanks.

 

[Grace777x70]

Re: Word of Faith: "Metaphysical" "Gnostic" "Cultic" "Not really Christian"-Justin Pe

Every Christian should want to confess any sins that they do and want to repent of them.
Confessing sins in 1 Jn 1 : 9, isn't a comand, it's agreeing with God that we have sinned, and saying the same as God has said,
see 1 Jn 1- 8- -10.
But those false grace teachers don't believe in confessing sins or repenting of them, so they are still in their sins and unrighteousness, and they aren't forgiven or cleansed, although they have been deceived into believing they are forgiven

.

The above in blue is not true..I have listened to other a thousand different messages from a hundred different teachers on the grace of Christ from all different theological backgrounds and have never heard anyone say not to confess sins or repent from things.

In fact I heard the complete opposite. They all said that the grace of God teaches us how to live godly in this present world. We as believers should be repenting everyday as we learn new truths about our glorious Lord and what He has done for us in His great love and grace.

I believe in "hyper-repenting".

It's a complete fallacy that grace teachers say not to confess sins nor repent. Disclaimer: I have not heard everyone in the world yet so maybe there are some wackos that say to live however you want but I have not encountered them yet.

 

[God4me]

Re: Word of Faith: "Metaphysical" "Gnostic" "Cultic" "Not really Christian"-Justin Pe

1. You have a thing against Catholics, that you might want to work out through prayer with God.

2. How is your belief and these "false grace teachers" different if both only preach repentance of sins to nonbelievers?

Both only preach "the blessings of God and how to receive them."

Maybe they disagree on what the blessings of God are?

3. Christianity is a religion. You might not accept certain denominations and beliefs of people who claim to be Christian, but the mix up isn't my understanding of who claims the name of Christ.

You can state you don't believe Catholics for example aren't saved by the blood of Jesus, but that crosses the,lies into judging anorhers salvation and only God should do,what.since He is able to save anyone He pleases.

4. Jesus died for our sins on the cross, the rest is part of the ressurrection story which includes Jesus ascension into Heaven and the sending forth of the Holy Spirit to deal born again believers into adoption and service to God.

God has a thing with the Catholic doctrines, He hates them, but He loves the people.
The RCC has a different gospel to the Biblical one, and salvation only comes through the Biblical gospel.
Jesus also had to go to hell with our sins, and had to rise from the dead, Then our sins were delt with.
We do teach people that they need to repent if they have done something wrong.

C
The believers were called Christians because the people saw they were acting just like Jesus.
And I have never seen a Catholic act like Jesus.

 

[God4me]

Re: Word of Faith: "Metaphysical" "Gnostic" "Cultic" "Not really Christian"-Justin Pe

The above in blue is not true..I have listened to other a thousand different messages from a hundred different teachers on the grace of Christ from all different theological backgrounds and have never heard anyone say not to confess sins or repent from things.

In fact I heard the complete opposite. They all said that the grace of God teaches us how to live godly in this present world. We as believers should be repenting everyday as we learn new truths about our glorious Lord and what He has done for us in His great love and grace.

I believe in "hyper-repenting".

It's a complete fallacy that grace teachers say not to confess sins nor repent. Disclaimer: I have not heard everyone in the world yet so maybe there are some wackos that say to live however you want but I have not encountered them yet.

But you don't believe those scriptures, you cannot, as you say all your sins have been forgiven, so as you believe that, you have to believe that you don't have to repent.
You can't have it both ways.

 

[Grace777x70]

Re: Word of Faith: "Metaphysical" "Gnostic" "Cultic" "Not really Christian"-Justin Pe

But you don't believe those scriptures, you cannot, as you say all your sins have been forgiven, so as you believe that, you have to believe that you don't have to repent.
You can't have it both ways.

Not true....we repent of things that are destructive as they are being revealed to us by the Holy Spirit and we repent ( which in Greek means - to change the mind ) of the religious thoughts and ideas that we have had that was false about God and Christ.

 

[FreeNChrist]

Re: Word of Faith: "Metaphysical" "Gnostic" "Cultic" "Not really Christian"-Justin Pe

But you don't believe those scriptures, you cannot, as you say all your sins have been forgiven, so as you believe that, you have to believe that you don't have to repent.
You can't have it both ways.

Are you in Christ?

 

[popeye]

Re: Word of Faith: "Metaphysical" "Gnostic" "Cultic" "Not really Christian"-Justin Pe

Now you are reading into the verse,.,it doesn't say you HAVE to confess to be forgiven.

It reassures you that if you do confess, God will welcome you back with open arms.

I guess I never looked at it as a commandment or law that you HAD to confess to be forgiven.

Personally I always saw God's hand in my conviction, repentance and confession of any sin. If God didn't reach out like the loving Father He is, then I would continue to sin against my brothers and sisters and hurt them by my words and actions, I would continue to do,things my way and not God's way through my pride and arrogance.

I would make assumptions about others, throw stones and judge them for faults I myself display through my words, thoughts and actions.

Instead God has taught me to see God's love and grace when He first convicts me,out my sins, I see His wisdom when I repent of my sins and I am revived in His love when I confess to Him my transgressions for He heals and restored me.

Death isn't the end, it's the beginning of eternity with God face to face.

I know this life is but a journey I travel for my Heavenly Father. I am His ambassador reminding people that our Father is calling us back home through the work of His son Jesus Christ who died for our sins so that we might approach the throne cleansed and holy.

It hurts my heart to watch people each candy coated dung and pretend that it's from God.

This life is temporary. God's promises are for eternity.

If you lust for material wealth, earthly power and prestige in this world, then you are an enemy of God.

I can walk a little way with you spiritual police (about half a block,before,as you say,my heart hurts)

Police,law, ordinances.
OT constraints,restraints.

Now,you know wealth,power,and even the commercials you guys do on yourselves,are,in fact RELATIVE.

Wealth to third world might be clean water.

How dare you have $50, clean water,refrigeration,lights,a bicycle,etc.
I bet you even own a change of clothes and a laptop.

Man,you are a lover of this world. You could get by without half those things.

Now,I am being sarcastic,but hyperbole has a use here.
Policing should be left to individuals and leaders that are broke,and destitute.

Otherwise they are mere actors,that act out piety.

YOU SEE,I CAN EAT 3 huge meals a day,and not be a hair off spiritually. Not lust after it. Not sin.

I can own 3 cars and not be a hoarder,greedy,selfish,etc.

Where you guys are off,is you don't even realize that you NEED no power,zero dwelling, no running water,no health,and a penny to your name to NOT BE a hypocrite.

To criticize another's blessing is in the bible. It is called covetousness.

What will be the outcome of the spiritual police in heaven?

All that abundance,and no scapegoat to pin it to.

 

[popeye]

Re: Word of Faith: "Metaphysical" "Gnostic" "Cultic" "Not really Christian"-Justin Pe

Now,3rolls Royce's, jet,and 2 or 3 mansions is absolutely excessive.

But what about a " line" ?

Where in policing is the line?

What an I ALLOWED,by the police to own?
To eat?
To wear?
What house is allowed?
What house is sin?

YOU HAVE TO HAVE LAW TO BE A POLICEMAN.

What to do with the abundance verses?

Jesus thought of everything.

Prosper...."...as your soul prospers"

Can you handle wealth?

If not,then,after careful consideration,reject all offers.

Cause wealth has made shipwreck of many believers.

So have women. I just don't believe they are all BAD.
.....some do. Too bad

 

[God4me]

Re: Word of Faith: "Metaphysical" "Gnostic" "Cultic" "Not really Christian"-Justin Pe

Not true....we repent of things that are destructive as they are being revealed to us by the Holy Spirit and we repent ( which in Greek means - to change the mind ) of the religious thoughts and ideas that we have had that was false about God and Christ.

You have to repent of your sins, otherwise they won't be remitted, Lk 24: 47. Acts 2: 38, or cleansed, 1 Jn 1: 9.

 

[God4me]

Re: Word of Faith: "Metaphysical" "Gnostic" "Cultic" "Not really Christian"-Justin Pe

Not true....we repent of things that are destructive as they are being revealed to us by the Holy Spirit and we repent ( which in Greek means - to change the mind ) of the religious thoughts and ideas that we have had that was false about God and Christ.

To change your mind, means to stop doing the sin, In other words, REPENT.

 

[God4me]

Re: Word of Faith: "Metaphysical" "Gnostic" "Cultic" "Not really Christian"-Justin Pe

Are you in Christ?

Yes I am in Christ, But I'm not sure about those false grace teachers.

 

[God4me]

Re: Word of Faith: "Metaphysical" "Gnostic" "Cultic" "Not really Christian"-Justin Pe

( they are not agnostics - they are gnostics - 2 different groups of people)

There are dozens of scholars that dis-agree with you but you are free to believe what you want....in this link are about 7 sources and there are dozens more.

http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...ly-christian-justin-peters-5.html#post2692586

If you weren't so deceived by JP and the devil, you would know that John tells us who he is writing to,[And it wasn't gnostics].
1 Jn 2: 1 tells us that John was writing to,

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"My little children. these things write [I UNTO YOU].

You have to keep 1 Jn 1: 1--10 in it's context with 1 Jn 2: 1--2.
V2 says if we sin, confess it and repent, then Jesus pleads to God for our forgiveness, cleansing and restoration back to righteousness.

You cannot say 1 Jn 1 was for gnostics, and 1 Jn CHs 2 to 5 were for the Christians, As it is all one letter.

Those dozens of scholars you say disagree with me, They would all be the erroneous false grace teachers.

 

[vic1980]

Re: Word of Faith: "Metaphysical" "Gnostic" "Cultic" "Not really Christian"-Justin Pe

Not true....we repent of things that are destructive as they are being revealed to us by the Holy Spirit and we repent ( which in Greek means - to change the mind ) of the religious thoughts and ideas that we have had that was false about God and Christ.

If this is what the Holy Spirit has reveal taught you, then why uplift, protect a man that clearly teaches , contrary to the truth , that The Holy Spirit taught you upon repentance ???

Repent is not a one time thing. and you clearly have agree with that , but why protect men that teach contrary to the truth in Christ ???

Shalom

 

[Ariel82]

Re: Word of Faith: "Metaphysical" "Gnostic" "Cultic" "Not really Christian"-Justin Pe

I fully agree with confessing everything to our Father but it is not to obtain forgiveness as Jesus' blood already obtained for us an eternal redemption. I understand what you are saying about confessing but that is different subject from 1 John1:9 which I was asking.

If we sin as a Christian do we go in and out of being righteous? - as in my example of the guy that sinned while driving then died. I John says "cleanse you from all unrighteousness".

We have diplomatic immunity.