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Salvation is a process not a one time event!!!
If you had said conditional sanctification was a process,I would be In agreement,but you said salvation Is a process,so maybe you should expound because maybe I didn't fully understand.
 
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If you had said conditional sanctification was a process,I would be In agreement,but you said salvation Is a process,so maybe you should expound because maybe I didn't fully understand.
Salvation is a process and Apostle Paul showed this by comparing it to running a race !!!

You have to run the race and finish to receive the inheritance is what Paul said and showed !!!
 
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I never said that authority to heal in His name wasn't given to the Church.

What I said is that the Word of God shows clearly how these gifts are to be done, we can not and are not to go around and do them in the mannerism contradictory to what God said.
It is my understanding these gifts were done to lay the foundation of the church and to prove whom were apostles. If we have signed gifts today then what is to stop people from writing new books of the canon of scripture and saying their miracles back up what they have written? Let's say someone in the Mormon church does a miracle and says that the book of Mormon is the word of God. What are you going to say then?

You believe in these things but if someone does a miracle that isn't from God, what are you going to say then?
 
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Also you kind of wormed your way around the question in blue, so I will ask again in another way:

Can you deny Jesus commands and be saved ??? Simple yes or no !!!
Was the thief on the cross able to obey Jesus' commands and did he get baptized?
 
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Show me where does the bible say you can continue to deny to obey Jesus commands, and end up with salvation still ???

Show me where the bible says apostate teachers are saved ???

Do you even know what Apostate means ???

If you can not provide a single verse where the bible shows a continuous disobedient person still saved I will not change my stance. I can show you multiple verses that says those who are disobedient will not enter His rest, and how disobedience is called unbelief !!!
Because Salvation is a free unmerited gift.

There is a difference between disobedience and apostate. Those who are disobedient suffer loss at the bema seat of Christ as their works are burned up but they are still saved by the fire.

You fail to quote the scriptures word for word so until you start quoting scripture, I don't feel that I should have to respond.
 
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Chuckt

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Salvation is a process and Apostle Paul showed this by comparing it to running a race !!!

You have to run the race and finish to receive the inheritance is what Paul said and showed !!!
Where does the Bible use the word "process"? Is that a hermeneutical word?
 
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Salvation is a process and Apostle Paul showed this by comparing it to running a race !!!

You have to run the race and finish to receive the inheritance is what Paul said and showed !!!
Scripture please, and then I will show you a scripture and If you can harmonize the scripture you provide with the scripture I provide then I will agree,but If you cannot then you are In error.
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John 3:16
King James Version(KJV)

16.)For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
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Nothing about works there.

GOD Is not the author of confusion.
 

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Our rescue is not a process it is a completed fact. Our sanctification is a process.
The fish have been caught, now Christ is cleaning the fish.

John 5:24 KJVS
[24] Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

1 Thessalonians 5:23 KJVS
[23] And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
 
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Romans 4:5 ¶ But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

So if I worketh not, my faith is counted for righteousness.


 

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Our rescue is not a process it is a completed fact. Our sanctification is a process.
The fish have been caught, now Christ is cleaning the fish.

John 5:24 KJVS
[24] Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

1 Thessalonians 5:23 KJVS
[23] And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Amen! We have been saved from the PENALTY of sin - Justification - completed fact; We are being saved from the POWER of sin - ongoing Sanctification - process.
 
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Amen....John 3:3 ...no one can see the Kingdom of God unless they are born-again

Being born-again is an entrance into salvation, which allows believers to see ( and gain access to ) God's Kingdom or the resources of salvation. This process takes place by grace through faith.

God's finished work through His Son at Calvary provided every spiritual empowerment in the Kingdom of God by grace, unmerited by us. This provision of grace is there for us to access in our own lives by faith.

It's not faith in our faith, but faith in His grace. Faith in what He has already done for us. God wants us to believe and receive what He has already done unmerited by us.

We have a good, loving Father and a great salvation in our Lord Jesus!

Amen! We have been saved from the PENALTY of sin - Justification - completed fact; We are being saved from the POWER of sin - ongoing Sanctification - process.