You are a filthy sinner and a screw up- Or are you?

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Blain

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Something I think most of us struggle with is understanding grace and who we are to God. We all sin we all fall short we all screw up and that sometimes leads us to start seeing ourselves as filthy sinners we feel ashamed imagining God looking down on us with disappointment we beg for forgiveness but many times we don't truly feel or believer we are forgiven and so we have a low opinion of ourselves and I wanted to explain both these things for those who struggle with such issues

1st grace
The word "grace" in biblical parlance can, like forgiveness, repentance, regeneration, and salvation, mean something as broad as describing the whole of God's activity toward man or as narrow as describing one segment of that activity. An accurate, common definition describes grace as the unmerited favor of God toward man.

The point of grace throughout the bible is that even though we don't deserve his grace his grace is overflowing on all of us
the scriptures say this

John 1:15-17 (John bore witness about him, and cried out, “This was he of whom I said, ‘He who comes after me ranks before me, because he was before me.'”) And from his fullness we have all received, grace upon grace. For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.

Hebrews 12:15 See to it that no one fails to obtain the grace of God; that no “root of bitterness” springs up and causes trouble, and by it many become defiled

Romans 3:20-24 For by works of the law no human being will be justified in his sight, since through the law comes knowledge of sin. But now the righteousness of God has been manifested apart from the law, although the Law and the Prophets bear witness to it — the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all who believe. For there is no distinction: for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus

our sins and our screw ups are such a heavy burden on his, I know how it would feel so freeing so wonderful to be free of such a burden to know that we forgiven and that our sins do not define us anymore to be seen as sinless in God's eyes due to the blood of Jesus even though we are not sinless. Even many Christians long for this not even knowing this is exactly how it is they just have not realized it. Even I myself struggle with this it's like I am so stubborn to accept this that I need it drilled into my mind before I accept and believe this, we need to understand that we are not filthy sinners we are not screw ups we are not losers we are his children who he loves accepts and deeply cares for just for who we are


In my next post I want to talk about who we are to him
 
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I agree we are failures. I got to laugh a bit, because if you become a parent, you realise before a child learns how to walk they will fall over. How is it as christians we expect to walk perfectly when we start as lost sinners, and have only had the light switched on. Can you drive a car just because someone gives you the keys, or can you cycle a bike because someone puts it in your arms?

One thing I have learnt about life is it is chain of events. You go through each point of the chain and come to a new place. But you only understand where you are by following the chain of ideas and concepts that lead you there. You never have a complete understanding, just the feeling that it is ok, you are right etc. It is not devaluing this reality, it is merely saying this is life. Just like you only understand what I am putting forward by reading each word in turn and at the end realising its full content, and then concluding you take on its content and meaning.

So the very nature of existance is this massive sea of experiences and connections and the Lord is calling us to be aware of them all, and balance them out appropriately and walk in communion with Him and His heart.

A sinner is a soul tossed to and fro by their emotions and reactions without any control, structure or direction. So disfunctional and unconnected they are like chaff in the wind, a wrapping but nothing in the centre. Jesus came to give use the centre, new life, born into the Kingdom, and then to learn how this life actually is meant to work.
 

Joidevivre

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There is a lot of confusion about the difference between mercy and grace.

Mercy is God not punishing us as our sins deserve.
Grace is God blessing us despite the fact that we do not deserve it.

Mercy is deliverance from judgment.
Grace is extending kindness to the unworthy.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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There is a lot of confusion about the difference between mercy and grace.

Mercy is God not punishing us as our sins deserve.
Grace is God blessing us despite the fact that we do not deserve it.

Mercy is deliverance from judgment.
Grace is extending kindness to the unworthy.
Grace is based on mercy, Mercy is based on grace, they are inseparable. you do not have one apart from the other.

A sinner begs for Gods mercy, God chooses to save him by Grace.

I hope that makes sense..lol
 
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this is one those teachings that
most of us they we are taking about
and what is to look for

1 John 1:8
If we say that we have no sin, we are misleading ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

1 John 1:9
If we confess our sins, He is trustworthy and righteous to forgive us the sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

there is still a chance my lord
my god . ...

thank you very much
for still believing to humanities. ...
 
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Gr8grace

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Grace is based on mercy, Mercy is based on grace, they are inseparable. you do not have one apart from the other.

A sinner begs for Gods mercy, God chooses to save him by Grace.

I hope that makes sense..lol
True.

Mercy is grace in action.
 

crossnote

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Grace is based on mercy, Mercy is based on grace, they are inseparable. you do not have one apart from the other.

A sinner begs for Gods mercy, God chooses to save him by Grace.

I hope that makes sense..lol
Well, let me see;
If mercy is not getting what we deserve. .
And
Grace is getting what we don't deserve,
Then what comes first is ah, hmm,... a headache :p
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Well, let me see;
If mercy is not getting what we deserve. .
And
Grace is getting what we don't deserve,
Then what comes first is ah, hmm,... a headache :p
I think you just showed why so few people get it. It is too painful to even fathom, so why even bother trying.

 

crossnote

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I think you just showed why so few people get it. It is too painful to even fathom, so why even bother trying.

Yup, both rooted in the Eternal God.
I do find it interesting though that Paul in his letters mentions grace first.

And John

2 John 1:3 (KJV) Grace be with you, mercy, and peace, from God the Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father, in truth and love.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Yup, both rooted in the Eternal God.
I do find it interesting though that Paul in his letters mentions grace first.
it does make sense. How can there be mercy if there is not first grace? Did any of us deserve to be born, Did this world deserve to go on living?
God could have snapped his fingers the moment eve and adam sinned, and said, welp that experiment is over, wont create humans again.
 

crossnote

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it does make sense. How can there be mercy if there is not first grace? Did any of us deserve to be born, Did this world deserve to go on living?
God could have snapped his fingers the moment eve and adam sinned, and said, welp that experiment is over, wont create humans again.
Sure there has to be both, but not sure why grace is mentioned first. ..ex.in His mercy...

Ephesians 2:4-5 (KJV)
4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,
5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)
 
Jul 23, 2015
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somehow it bothers a lot,

for if we want to choice grace but having less faith in mercy
can love be survived just by grace only?

just askin my brothers and sisters
please dont get offended with our questions

thank you very much
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Sure there has to be both, but not sure why grace is mentioned first. ..ex.in His mercy...

Ephesians 2:4-5 (KJV)
4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,
5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)

see. You had to go and make things more confusing!! :p
 
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I agree we are failures. I got to laugh a bit, because if you become a parent, you realise before a child learns how to walk they will fall over. How is it as christians we expect to walk perfectly when we start as lost sinners, and have only had the light switched on. Can you drive a car just because someone gives you the keys, or can you cycle a bike because someone puts it in your arms?

One thing I have learnt about life is it is chain of events. You go through each point of the chain and come to a new place. But you only understand where you are by following the chain of ideas and concepts that lead you there. You never have a complete understanding, just the feeling that it is ok, you are right etc. It is not devaluing this reality, it is merely saying this is life. Just like you only understand what I am putting forward by reading each word in turn and at the end realising its full content, and then concluding you take on its content and meaning.

So the very nature of existance is this massive sea of experiences and connections and the Lord is calling us to be aware of them all, and balance them out appropriately and walk in communion with Him and His heart.

A sinner is a soul tossed to and fro by their emotions and reactions without any control, structure or direction. So disfunctional and unconnected they are like chaff in the wind, a wrapping but nothing in the centre. Jesus came to give use the centre, new life, born into the Kingdom, and then to learn how this life actually is meant to work.

I really like your analogy of our walk with Christ.

I can see with my walk and also watching other saints walk, that God is not lax in pulling his children through things when we are truly seeking him with all our minds, our hearts, and our souls!

We are all on a journey and
I see in my minds eye how God leans out and saves us from our childish errors because he is fully aware that we have surrendered to not walking by sight but by faith. We are letting the Holy Spirit guide us and teach us but not without us stumping our toes many many times. God is so gracious to us! Yes, we stumble and we skin our knees but usually there are abundant blessings that come from it down the line.

Its an honor to serve Christ Jesus and my heart melts when I ponder on how very much our sovereign, just ,merciful God loves us. Jesus knows me and I know him by his word and experiences walking and talking with him. I know his character! I have found out the hard way that when I am disobedient, I pay the consequences and blessings stop for a season but I have also had times when I feel God smiling and laughing. Daily I stop in my tracks when I am out in his creation. I am moved to my marrow at his excellence. I am totally in awe of messiah my savior and my Lord. We cannot fully understand God and he has told us that. Most times I am okay with it and other times I shamefully throw a hissy fit . The hissy fits dont happen as often because as I have grown .I am fully aware of his reverence. There is none other God. He is I Am. He is Adonai >YHWH. It is indeed a journey with my Father.

We must always have the faith of a child and walk with boldness and [educated] zeal for all things Christ .
Love seems to be where we all fail. We are only saints because we have inherited that status through mercy ;through our faith is grace given. We certainly do not always act like saints if ever! lol

Love is the thing. Im focused on that in my prayer life. I realize that is who I am in Christ .I am his light and I am the vessel he uses to savor. I tire of my flesh sometimes and the results of my selfish flesh that comes forth from my mouth.

I want more refining fire. I want to love more and extend more charity towards others. I want to be more like my Jesus. Its a process and Im all in:) There is no peace like the peace Christ has given me . No matter what happens in my life I do have abundant peace. I am at peace because I am in him. He has promised to never leave me or forsake me.
Do with me as you will my Lord. I am yours.
[h=1] Ecclesiastes 3:1-8
[/h] 3 To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven:
[SUP]2 [/SUP]A time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted;
[SUP]3 [/SUP]A time to kill, and a time to heal; a time to break down, and a time to build up;
[SUP]4 [/SUP]A time to weep, and a time to laugh; a time to mourn, and a time to dance;
[SUP]5 [/SUP]A time to cast away stones, and a time to gather stones together; a time to embrace, and a time to refrain from embracing;
[SUP]6 [/SUP]A time to get, and a time to lose; a time to keep, and a time to cast away;
[SUP]7 [/SUP]A time to rend, and a time to sew; a time to keep silence, and a time to speak;
[SUP]8 [/SUP]A time to love, and a time to hate; a time of war, and a time of peace.


[h=1] Jeremiah 29:11
[/h] [SUP]11 [/SUP]For I know the thoughts that I think toward you, saith the Lord, thoughts of peace, and not of evil, to give you an expected end.





 

Joidevivre

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Let there be some mysteries that we just can't explain.
 
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weakness

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​Kind of like grace and works.
 
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Grace is based on mercy, Mercy is based on grace, they are inseparable. you do not have one apart from the other.

A sinner begs for Gods mercy, God chooses to save him by Grace.

I hope that makes sense..lol

God said he would have mercy upon who ever he chooses to have mercy on...I pray for God to make me one of the greatest examples of his mercy.........I know I am not worthy of the least of his mercies.....
 

blue_ladybug

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Yes, I'm a filthy sinner. Yes, I'm a screw up.. I admit it. :) Now, do you want fries with your Happy Meal? lol.. :eek: